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[jayjay0]

jayboy You said

" the security forces acted reasonably and professionally in the circumstances.My wish is to to seek the truth"
You have just stated the truth what more do you want? The red shirts atrocities are all ready a matter of record.

[Siam Simon]

Insight, on 2010-09-06 09:17:12, said:

Seems like an important part of my post has gone missing there, Simon. Haven't read the forum rules for a while, but allow me to post it again:

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Another bullshitting pro-red propagandist. That 90-odd figure you are quick to throw around INCLUDES murdered army personnel.

Which reminds me, I need to update my signature.

Have a nice day.

You didn't answer my question. Where did you fall for TallForeigner's posts about the reds in Ratchprasong?

[Buchholz]

There's a map drawn in Post # 62.

[mintyfresh]

TallForeigner, on 2010-09-05 08:35:41, said:

The army murdered over 90 of them - many millions are left and will never give up.

Correction:  The army killed over 90 Thaksin backed terrorists who were hel_l bent on torching Bangkok, destroying property, killing others, and in general causing thuggery and mayhem with bombs, guns, and knives.  And nobody misses them....

[rubl]

mintyfresh, on 2010-09-06 14:30:36, said:

TallForeigner, on 2010-09-05 08:35:41, said:

The army murdered over 90 of them - many millions are left and will never give up.

Correction:  The army killed over 90 Thaksin backed terrorists who were hel_l bent on torching Bangkok, destroying property, killing others, and in general causing thuggery and mayhem with bombs, guns, and knives.  And nobody misses them....

90 were killed in the April - May 2010 period. It started with 25 (including 1 Japanese reporter and 5 soldiers). Most others were killed during the May 13 - 19 cleanup. The torching and looting seems partially planned (K. Arisaman favorite tune 'I burned it my way') and partially because the UDD leaders had loudly indoctrinated their supporters for months (on the main stage and PTV) to not believe the government, sowed fear in their hearts for the army and after declaring to 'fight on till their last drop of blood' simply surrendered.
Gone and no-one in BKK misses them.

[hoaker]

This will never end!!!!

[hammered]

Siripon, on 2010-09-05 20:08:03, said:

Thaksin is phoning in now because he's worried.
The bleeding of MPs to Pumjaithai, the poor council elections in Bangkok, the dissatisfaction with Payap as leader of the Issan faction where funds failed to reach the destinations,ie MPs, have all weakened Pheua Thai.
And Thaksin knows another violent red protest is the kiss of death for him and his cohorts.
So Yongyut was ordered to propose the 5 point reconcilation plan, a red herring, to make the red shirts\Pheua Thai look conciliatory.
Tomorrow, Pojaman, his so called divorced wife who is supposed to be not interested in politics,will join a meeting of Pheua Thai MPs.
Somchai Wongsawat has already guaranteed continued funds to the MPs.
The Shinawat seniors are back in charge of Pheua Thai with their wallets ready.
Forget any nonsense about it being a party of the people, the elite are back to protect their interests!

Their other worry for the Shin team is that this time there are likely to be a lot more wallets ready and willing to back the organised oppositon to Thaksin's party - the BJT. This could get very expensive and the red rampage that was intended to cow the normal business class into continuing their normal quiet political neutrality may have actually backfired into forcing them to take sides.

Interesting pieces by both Chiang Noi and one on NM recntly that both suggest the Thaksin star could be politically on the wane leaving it to pure fianancial power as to who will win the election.

[sbk]

It seems members can't go a full 6 hours without needing a reminder.

1. DO NOT alter someone else's post in anyway.

2. DO NOT flame, insult or belittle other members

3. DO DROP the propaganda, DO STOP claiming "facts" with no proof.

I don't know how many times I have to tell you people this stuff, you must know it all off by heart by now and yet still you choose to ignore it. I would suggest that is unwise.

[philw]

jayjay0, on 2010-09-06 13:30:25, said:

jayboy You said

" the security forces acted reasonably and professionally in the circumstances.My wish is to to seek the truth"
You have just stated the truth what more do you want? The red shirts atrocities are all ready a matter of record.

To jayjayO
Care to admit the army's atrocities ???
Or do you deny that there were any ?

Edited by philw, 2010-09-06 20:20:53.

[Insight]

philw, on 2010-09-06 20:18:52, said:

jayjay0, on 2010-09-06 13:30:25, said:

jayboy You said

" the security forces acted reasonably and professionally in the circumstances.My wish is to to seek the truth"
You have just stated the truth what more do you want? The red shirts atrocities are all ready a matter of record.

To jayjayO
Care to admit the army's atrocities ???
Or do you deny that there were any ?

You prove to us the snipers belonged to the army first.

[philw]

Insight, on 2010-09-06 21:03:23, said:

philw, on 2010-09-06 20:18:52, said:

jayjay0, on 2010-09-06 13:30:25, said:

jayboy You said

" the security forces acted reasonably and professionally in the circumstances.My wish is to to seek the truth"
You have just stated the truth what more do you want? The red shirts atrocities are all ready a matter of record.

To jayjayO
Care to admit the army's atrocities ???
Or do you deny that there were any ?

You prove to us the snipers belonged to the army first.

So you therefore accept that they WERE used by the army.
Now it just the debatable differential of who fired first.

Glad to see that you are making progress with your denial.

Who is us ???
Always thought you were a bit of a team.

[brahmburgers]

jayboy, on 2010-09-05 09:32:58, said:

Insight, on 2010-09-05 09:19:52, said:

TallForeigner, on 2010-09-05 08:35:41, said:

The army murdered over 90 of them - many millions are left and will never give up.

Another bullshitting pro-red propagandist. That 90-odd figure you are quick to throw around INCLUDES murdered army personnel.

Easy boy.It is a matter of record that many unarmed civilians were shot by the army.The question is how many.However in the tradition of the Thai military covering up their crimes unfortunately it seems unlikely there will ever be a credible or thorough investigation.  You can call it bullshitting red propaganda if you like but most reasonable people would just like a proper enquiry.

The Red shirt supporters remind me of the dogs on my rural street.  Whenever one starts barking, all the others join in - and each time one chimes in, it barks the same tune.  

There are a bunch of inquiries going on. As usual, Thaksin and his Red Problematics are sucking up legal resources like a tornado sucks up plastic bags while going through a trailer park.

To say 90 were murdered by the gov't forces is utter balderdash.  You might as well say Mickey Mouse caused the 9-11 attack on NYC.  It's just neo red-bailing - with the hope that repeating the same ridiculous crap often enough, that some people (outside the Red minions' camp) will believe it.

[Insight]

philw, on 2010-09-06 21:20:09, said:

So you therefore accept that they WERE used by the army.

Where did I say that? I'm asking you guys to prove to us cynics (of which there are clearly many) to prove the snipers belonged to the army. Scan your eyes past those words again and let me know how you come to the above impression.

philw, on 2010-09-06 21:20:09, said:

Now it just the debatable differential of who fired first.

Glad to see that you are making progress with your denial.

Refer to the above. What denial?

philw, on 2010-09-06 21:20:09, said:

Who is us ???

Are you getting philosophical...?

philw, on 2010-09-06 21:20:09, said:

Always thought you were a bit of a team.

.. Or just plain paranoid?

[Crushdepth]

Me Me Me. It's all about ME.

[rubl]

Crushdepth, on 2010-09-06 21:30:50, said:

Me Me Me. It's all about ME.

Poor old K. Thaksin. Imagine just turned 61 and with barely US$ 390 Million left having to work again to earn enough to feed his children. I'm still wondering what some really poor red-shirts think when he says that ?

[philw]

Insightfully adequate ?

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[Insight]

philw, on 2010-09-06 21:37:25, said:

Insightfully adequate ?

So these two committed all alleged atrocities then?

You show us armed soliders, I'll show you armed red shirts.

Real proof please.

[Siripon]

philw, on 2010-09-06 21:37:25, said:

Insightfully adequate ?

Your photo means nothing.
I see Pheua Thai have withdrawn their 5 point plan of reconciliation a mere day after its proposal, on the grounds their MPs were accused of being involved in the red violence!
Several Pheua Thai MPs appeared on stage at Ratchaprasong, inciting and urging the crowd on.
They abandoned their parliamentary duties,due to fear their boss would disapprove if they were inactive.
They had been ordered to provide a few thousand protesters each to Ratchaprasong and told to appear on stage.
Nothing will detract from the fact that the red shirts provoked and orchestrated violence fron the beginning of their campaign this March.
Hence their crumbling support, both in and outside Parliament.

[philw]

Insight, on 2010-09-06 21:46:32, said:

philw, on 2010-09-06 21:37:25, said:

Insightfully adequate ?

So these two committed all alleged atrocities then?

You show us armed soliders, I'll show you armed red shirts.

Real proof please.

I feel quite sorry for your inability to admit the obvious.

Edited by sbk, 2010-09-07 13:58:32.
inflammatory post removed

[SpoliaOpima]

jayboy, on 2010-09-05 11:57:22, said:

SpoliaOpima, on 2010-09-05 11:27:19, said:

jayboy, on 2010-09-05 10:28:10, said:

That's a tired and discredited point that apologists for the crimes of the military often trot out.Absurdly,if taken literally, it means that the many civilians murdered by the military somehow got caught in the crossfire as snipers aimed at the militants.What laughable rubbish.

What's more laughable are your feeble attempts as a red propagandist. Any objective observer of the events during the Tai Rouge occupation of Bangkok know that that is exactly what happened.

At any rate, whether you recognise that the unarmed deaths were collateral rather than intentional, the poster has a point about the choices the UDD members made. The occupation was illegal and its leaders promoted violence daily on the stage. That is a matter of abundant public record, so you're calling that appraisal 'rubbsih' won't fly. The physical, social and economic damage the UDD caused amounts to terrorism under their cheerless leader's own definitions as approved by an elected parliament. The government showed admirable restraint in enforcing the law.

One wonders whether someone like this has any limit on the amount of bloodshed he is happy to endorse.Clearly this fellow, to the extent he expresses himself coherently, is at the reactionary end of the spectrum.Even government spokesmen pay lip service to the concept of a rigorous inquiry - not that they are really prepared to commit to one.Historically the Thai army has always covered up its crimes and avoided accountability.Actually in this case I think the army acted reasonably professionally but there's still a need for a proper inquiry

I said nothing about not wanting an inquiry into the deaths. Nothing at all. I guess that makes *you* the reactionairy in what appears to be a rather incoherent and irrelevant response.

Like any impartial observer, I would welcome inquiries into the government's actions, just as soon as the UDD leadership and armed members of its rank and file have been investigated and prosecuted. To the impartial observer's mind, that would be the initial priority given the crimes committed have been documented on audio and video recordings, and witnessed by millions of people.

You have missed the central point of my post, which was to agree with an earlier post by a member pointing out that the UDD stationed themselves in Rajprasong by choice - illegally, and running many local businesses into the ground during the course of the occupation (five businesses on my street closed down and never re-opened), while publicly threatening to reduce the capital to ashes - and could have left at any time, with the government giving more than ample warnings as to the consequences if they resisted or fired on troops and civilians. Kudos to that poster for pointing out the obvious.

[Insight]

philw, on 2010-09-06 23:31:17, said:

Insight, on 2010-09-06 21:46:32, said:

philw, on 2010-09-06 21:37:25, said:

Insightfully adequate ?

So these two committed all alleged atrocities then?

You show us armed soliders, I'll show you armed red shirts.

Real proof please.

I feel quite sorry for your inability to admit the obvious.
It's a sad case.

Proof that these soldiers were shooting at unarmed civilians please. Protesters armed or making every effort to appear armed, yes (severe Darwinism at play). Unarmed civilians? We're still waiting.

Until then take your simple minded insults elsewhere.

[jayjay0]

philw, on 2010-09-06 20:18:52, said:

jayjay0, on 2010-09-06 13:30:25, said:

jayboy You said

" the security forces acted reasonably and professionally in the circumstances.My wish is to to seek the truth"
You have just stated the truth what more do you want? The red shirts atrocities are all ready a matter of record.

To jayjayO
Care to admit the army's atrocities ???
Or do you deny that there were any ?

Perhaps if you could point out some I would admit them. Legally shooting at terrorists who refuse to negotiate is not a atrocity I suppose you think the army should have stood around and let them keep shooting live ammunition at them.
Not sure what youy hope to gain by your constant stream of ignorance but you may reest assured nobody is fooled by you except maybe jayboy.

[philw]

jayjay0, on 2010-09-07 12:02:20, said:

philw, on 2010-09-06 20:18:52, said:

jayjay0, on 2010-09-06 13:30:25, said:

jayboy You said

" the security forces acted reasonably and professionally in the circumstances.My wish is to to seek the truth"
You have just stated the truth what more do you want? The red shirts atrocities are all ready a matter of record.

To jayjayO
Care to admit the army's atrocities ???
Or do you deny that there were any ?

Perhaps if you could point out some I would admit them. Legally shooting at terrorists who refuse to negotiate is not a atrocity I suppose you think the army should have stood around and let them keep shooting live ammunition at them.
Not sure what youy hope to gain by your constant stream of ignorance but you may reest assured nobody is fooled by you except maybe jayboy.

Amazing.
Do you get paid for this ?
Are you in complete denial that anybody was shot by the army ?

[rubl]

philw, on 2010-09-07 13:39:23, said:

jayjay0, on 2010-09-07 12:02:20, said:

philw, on 2010-09-06 20:18:52, said:

jayjay0, on 2010-09-06 13:30:25, said:

jayboy You said
" the security forces acted reasonably and professionally in the circumstances.My wish is to to seek the truth"
You have just stated the truth what more do you want? The red shirts atrocities are all ready a matter of record.

To jayjayO
Care to admit the army's atrocities ???
Or do you deny that there were any ?

Perhaps if you could point out some I would admit them. Legally shooting at terrorists who refuse to negotiate is not a atrocity I suppose you think the army should have stood around and let them keep shooting live ammunition at them.
Not sure what youy hope to gain by your constant stream of ignorance but you may reest assured nobody is fooled by you except maybe jayboy.

Amazing.
Do you get paid for this ?
Are you in complete denial that anybody was shot by the army ?

If you remove the 'atrocities' part, people might start to agree with you. Yes, the army has shot people in the March - May extended protest. Up to the 10th of April it was 'fairly' peaceful. On the 10th things started to get out of hand after unknowns indiscriminately shot reds and soldiers and grenaded a colonel with staff.