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[chantorn]

Thailand to talk bad about judges and courts is criminal, and will land you in jail.

[moskito]

I am not a  Khun Thaksin fan really, but I belive things like these wont happend if he is in charge of the country. He was so far the only one who fights corruption.....

[tomyummer]

moskito, on 2010-09-07 01:04:02, said:

I am not a  Khun Thaksin fan really, but I belive things like these wont happend if he is in charge of the country. He was so far the only one who fights corruption.....

Oooooh boy.  I'm afraid to ask.

[BSJ]

I'd like to see the sicko's of this world brough to justice for their dirty deeds.  But once your outside the rigid (but not perfect) system of the Western world we all know how flexible the judiciary can be.  And it's not just LOS I am talking about!

[t36ony]

For me, it's just a question of what is right and wrong? And if you do wrong you should be punished not matter who you are.

Abusing minors = totally wrong......should be punished

Taking money to change the law = totally wrong.....should be punished

This is the same all over the world.

[t36ony]

For me, it's just a question of what is right and wrong? And if you do wrong you should be punished not matter who you are.

Abusing minors = totally wrong......should be punished

Taking money to change the law = totally wrong.....should be punished

This is the same all over the world. Upholding the law is morally right and we (as citizens of the world) should pride ourselves on that.

[YouYouYou]

I will start this post with the legal words "Without Prejudice" (as to my own admission of bribery) :

This is not new and has been reported over the years ... a judge taking a bribe. Yes, it happens in Thailand and many many countries around the world, even our little western havens eh. Taking a bribe is merely a human condition and greed takes over. No one in any authoritative poistion is exempt from the temptation to take a handsome bribe, but it is the will and character of the individual that says yes or no.

So are judges exempt? ...No they are not, and for some people who sit on the high horse of rightousness frowning upon this activity, whether it is a judge or a traffic cop, to me, it's all the same, and yes I've given a traffic cop a bribe to avoid a ticket. So, am I as guilty for doing that as the judge and his 'alledged received bribe'? ....probably, as it takes two parties to make this work; the bribe giver and the bribe receiver.

'No one is innocent' ....as they say:ph34r:

[BOS2BKK]

Once again I am at a loss to see all of you sitting up on your high horses. Thailand is suffering the same growing pains all of our nations faced at one point of another.  The Thais handle them differently for sure, and it is a shame they couldn't learn from our mistakes, but everyone is on their own journey.  The hysterical thing is the elitism present in so many of these comments.  

The original article referred to Baht 70M?  Last time I checked that was about $2.2Million USD.  Which of you is from a country where a judge could not be bribed for 2 Million dollars?  I am certain I could get away with Murder in America for a third of that amount in well placed bribes.  Good on the Thais for milking this pervert for every penny he has.  If he doesn't have punishment coming to him, at least justice can bleed him dry. The difference between Thailand and the west is our pretense that these things don't exist.  Just like the westerners who cruise Soi Cowboy in disdain, and say things like "this would never be tolerated in my country"  I have news for you, it goes on just like this everywhere.  The only difference is the amount of daylight hitting it.

You think for one second this alleged pervert didn't ply his trade in his home country?  Of course he did.  He is here for the same reason all of you are.  His money goes further in Thailand.  

Feel bad for the poor exploited children who have their lives destroyed by savage perverts, but get off your hypocritical soap boxes about Thai corruption.

[Deeral]

BOS2BKK, on 2010-09-08 13:23:54, said:

Once again I am at a loss to see all of you sitting up on your high horses. Thailand is suffering the same growing pains all of our nations faced at one point of another.  The Thais handle them differently for sure, and it is a shame they couldn't learn from our mistakes, but everyone is on their own journey.  The hysterical thing is the elitism present in so many of these comments.  

The original article referred to Baht 70M?  Last time I checked that was about $2.2Million USD.  Which of you is from a country where a judge could not be bribed for 2 Million dollars?  I am certain I could get away with Murder in America for a third of that amount in well placed bribes.  Good on the Thais for milking this pervert for every penny he has.  If he doesn't have punishment coming to him, at least justice can bleed him dry. The difference between Thailand and the west is our pretense that these things don't exist.  Just like the westerners who cruise Soi Cowboy in disdain, and say things like "this would never be tolerated in my country"  I have news for you, it goes on just like this everywhere.  The only difference is the amount of daylight hitting it.

You think for one second this alleged pervert didn't ply his trade in his home country?  Of course he did.  He is here for the same reason all of you are.  His money goes further in Thailand.  

Feel bad for the poor exploited children who have their lives destroyed by savage perverts, but get off your hypocritical soap boxes about Thai corruption.

"Thailand is suffering the same growing pains all of our nations faced at one point of another." - now if ever there was an elitist or "high-horse" comment, it has to be that.
Many people see Thailand as "Third world" or developing" - well  the latter maybe - the former is just nonsense - this is the modern world and Thailand is a "grown-up", wealthy nation - the wealth is and poer is distributed very inequitably but this does not give it an "excuse" or get-out clause. It is a country of equal status to any other and has responsibilities which it shuns.

Edited by Deeral, 2010-09-08 13:32:23.

[zerod1]

Come on.... If this report has any substance, the true evaluation of the law system seems to be getting a bit bent out of shape, for the want of a bit of finger pointing. The report clearly states that he was ARRESTED, REMANDED, and is undergoing a THOROUGH INVESTIGATION, he has also has (at least) 10 appeals for bail rejected. Doesn't this tell us that the justice system is not for sale? This guy is obviously filthy rich, so why didn't he get the opportunity to pay his way out of prosecution as soon as the Old Bill banged on his door?

This report and (more than a handful of replies) seems to pour total dejection onto the entire legal processes present today in Thailand, in an almost generalising sense. Truth is, this report (without reading between the lines), obviously displays to us, that the legal system is in fact honourable to the law in general, and there are the 'odd bad apples'. That is putting the odd crack in it.

This report lost it focus after the 2nd sentence, and launched an attack on actually quite a good legal infrastructure, instead of the real bones of the report, which should read more like... Oh no, not another twisted deviant dragging the word farang through the mud again here in Thailand.

I wasn't aware of this forum when Paul Gadd was doing the rounds. I wonder what his alias was?? Probably something stupid like Gary Glitter or something. But lets be fair and as legal systems go, you just have to look at the UK system, if you got money, you get off light, if you are broke, you're in the clink. Believe me, it's as true as the nose on your face. That's one system you can say is GENERALLY crap and unfair.

[BOS2BKK]

Deeral, on 2010-09-08 13:31:53, said:

"Thailand is suffering the same growing pains all of our nations faced at one point of another." - now if ever there was an elitist or "high-horse" comment, it has to be that.
Many people see Thailand as "Third world" or developing" - well  the latter maybe - the former is just nonsense - this is the modern world and Thailand is a "grown-up", wealthy nation - the wealth is and poer is distributed very inequitably but this does not give it an "excuse" or get-out clause. It is a country of equal status to any other and has responsibilities which it shuns.

I think you missed the point of the statement.

In reply to your comments I will say this.  Bangkok is modern.  Thailand is a developing third world Nation.  To think any differently is naive to the point of delusional.  The Thais have been flirting with modern first world concepts for a hundred years, but never quite embraced them.  They were doing well under a previous PM who shall remain nameless, but the minor aristocrats saw to it that all that forward progress was flushed down the drain.  The Kingdom is a shining star among SEA nations, but if you think it is a modern, grown-up Nation, then you have been here way too long.  Thailand is by all quantifiable standards a developing Nation.

[Deeral]

BOS2BKK, on 2010-09-13 06:09:38, said:

Deeral, on 2010-09-08 13:31:53, said:

"Thailand is suffering the same growing pains all of our nations faced at one point of another." - now if ever there was an elitist or "high-horse" comment, it has to be that.
Many people see Thailand as "Third world" or developing" - well  the latter maybe - the former is just nonsense - this is the modern world and Thailand is a "grown-up", wealthy nation - the wealth is and poer is distributed very inequitably but this does not give it an "excuse" or get-out clause. It is a country of equal status to any other and has responsibilities which it shuns.

I think you missed the point of the statement.

In reply to your comments I will say this.  Bangkok is modern.  Thailand is a developing third world Nation.  To think any differently is naive to the point of delusional.  The Thais have been flirting with modern first world concepts for a hundred years, but never quite embraced them.  They were doing well under a previous PM who shall remain nameless, but the minor aristocrats saw to it that all that forward progress was flushed down the drain.  The Kingdom is a shining star among SEA nations, but if you think it is a modern, grown-up Nation, then you have been here way too long.  Thailand is by all quantifiable standards a developing Nation.

THe fact that you see fit to use the expression third world at all belies a lack of real understanding of what Thailand is. THe expression is defunct.

Developing yes third world is not an expression tht anyone with any inkling can use.

But your description is too simplistic.
people like to see Thailand in the terms you describe because it makes them happy; they like to pigeon-hole nations to fit their own perceptions. unfortunately it also leads them to misread things. THailand is a wealthy exporting nation with a corrupt ruling elite and a saky infrastructure, but making excuses on the basis of this is pintless and not based on the realities of the country.

Check out Thailand's world economic ratings - you'll be in for a shock. Just because the distribution of wealth is appallingly lopsided it does not mean the country is in anyway....what was the expression you erroneously used?.......oh yes "Third World".