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[IsaanAussie]

Brabo, on 2012-05-13 17:56:19, said:

Hi guys,

I am looking for a few 100% purebred male piglets (not castrated)
   - Duroc
   - Pietrain
   - Large White
   - DANISH Landrace
I want to buy from different blood-lines.

I would also like to know where I can buy purebred Pietrain seamen or piglets in Thailand.

Thanks and hope I can buy from you guys so we can support eachother.

Send me a PM with your exact needs. I have not got anything to satisfy your need but know the right guy ( a young Thai) who has. Realistic, modern and excellent stock of pigs and semen. Biosecure beyond doubt!

[IsaanAussie]

Brabo, on 2012-05-13 17:56:19, said:

Hi guys,

I am looking for a few 100% purebred male piglets (not castrated)
   - Duroc
   - Pietrain
   - Large White
   - DANISH Landrace
I want to buy from different blood-lines.

I would also like to know where I can buy purebred Pietrain seamen or piglets in Thailand.

Thanks and hope I can buy from you guys so we can support eachother.

Send me a PM with your exact needs. I have not got anything to satisfy your need but know the right guy ( a young Thai) who has. Realistic, modern and excellent stock of pigs and semen. Biosecure beyond doubt!

[IsaanAussie]

Latest trend in pig prices from the National Swine Association show the recent prices levels are declining slightly. If the normal trend occurs we may well have seen the best already.

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Edited by IsaanAussie, 2012-05-20 08:21:24.

[sezze]

Probably a stupid question , but is there something like a market for pigs ..
After trying and failing miserably the 1st try ( due to all beginner errors ) , we did do a 2nd try but now for breeding pigs . We just sold out the 1st lot and with a healthy margin. They all went to local people so this is only possible for low nr's . Extending the business , would provide a healthy income , if we can sell it . I'm pretty sure for let's say , 20 or 30 per month but what about larger nr's ?

[IsaanAussie]

sezze, on 2012-05-23 03:46:33, said:

Probably a stupid question , but is there something like a market for pigs ..
After trying and failing miserably the 1st try ( due to all beginner errors ) , we did do a 2nd try but now for breeding pigs . We just sold out the 1st lot and with a healthy margin. They all went to local people so this is only possible for low nr's . Extending the business , would provide a healthy income , if we can sell it . I'm pretty sure for let's say , 20 or 30 per month but what about larger nr's ?

Stock market for pigs? I doubt it, none around me. I assume you mean nett return (nr's)?

20 to 30 piglets per month means you will need 12 sows plus. It also would mean an average of 10 local customers per month. If you sell at weaning plus a week or so. Each repeat customer would revisit every 4 months at the earliest, assume 5. That means you need a minimum of 50 customers taking an average of 2 piglets each.

"If we can sell it" indeed. Check the local livestock development office and the net for statistics on the number of farmers raising pigs in your area. Is it satisfied by the local breeding farms? How many people are contract growing?

Can you raise the nett return? Yes, reduce your cost base and offer something the customer is willing to pay more for. Get rid of the poor performers at first opportunity for any return you can. Look at what supplementary feed you can make or grow.

In my opinion too many people look only at the gross income against the feed bill. As a breeder, and I am still guilty of this, it is all too easy to hold stock that has little chance of making a return on cost. Giving a sow another chance is a 5 to 6 month feed commitment. Cull them if in any doubt.

One thing to watch very carefully is the amount of feed given to gestating sows. Very easy to overfeed them, not only do they get too fat, the litter size can be reduced and her lactation effected. You mentioned you were a beginner, read busy reading up on nutrition. Feed is a major cost element and at 1.5ton each per year a sow is an expensive beast to feed.

I had a guy feeding our pigs. He was giving a sow just recently rejoined the same amount of feed as he fed her when she was nursing her last litter. The nett effect was about a 30% overfeeding cost.

Net return is also effected by the average parity of your sows. You should look at the replacement planning of sows and gilts to average a parity level of 2 to 3 across the herd. Maximum piglet output is normally at parity 2 to 4. Gilts deliver fewer piglets. I work on a herd average number of 9 piglets weaned per litter as the goal.

The short answer is reduce your costs and provide something perceived as better.

[sezze]

IsaanAussie, on 2012-05-23 06:26:45, said:

sezze, on 2012-05-23 03:46:33, said:

Probably a stupid question , but is there something like a market for pigs ..
After trying and failing miserably the 1st try ( due to all beginner errors ) , we did do a 2nd try but now for breeding pigs . We just sold out the 1st lot and with a healthy margin. They all went to local people so this is only possible for low nr's . Extending the business , would provide a healthy income , if we can sell it . I'm pretty sure for let's say , 20 or 30 per month but what about larger nr's ?

Stock market for pigs? I doubt it, none around me. I assume you mean nett return (nr's)?

20 to 30 piglets per month means you will need 12 sows plus. It also would mean an average of 10 local customers per month. If you sell at weaning plus a week or so. Each repeat customer would revisit every 4 months at the earliest, assume 5. That means you need a minimum of 50 customers taking an average of 2 piglets each.

"If we can sell it" indeed. Check the local livestock development office and the net for statistics on the number of farmers raising pigs in your area. Is it satisfied by the local breeding farms? How many people are contract growing?

Can you raise the nett return? Yes, reduce your cost base and offer something the customer is willing to pay more for. Get rid of the poor performers at first opportunity for any return you can. Look at what supplementary feed you can make or grow.

In my opinion too many people look only at the gross income against the feed bill. As a breeder, and I am still guilty of this, it is all too easy to hold stock that has little chance of making a return on cost. Giving a sow another chance is a 5 to 6 month feed commitment. Cull them if in any doubt.

One thing to watch very carefully is the amount of feed given to gestating sows. Very easy to overfeed them, not only do they get too fat, the litter size can be reduced and her lactation effected. You mentioned you were a beginner, read busy reading up on nutrition. Feed is a major cost element and at 1.5ton each per year a sow is an expensive beast to feed.

I had a guy feeding our pigs. He was giving a sow just recently rejoined the same amount of feed as he fed her when she was nursing her last litter. The nett effect was about a 30% overfeeding cost.

Net return is also effected by the average parity of your sows. You should look at the replacement planning of sows and gilts to average a parity level of 2 to 3 across the herd. Maximum piglet output is normally at parity 2 to 4. Gilts deliver fewer piglets. I work on a herd average number of 9 piglets weaned per litter as the goal.

The short answer is reduce your costs and provide something perceived as better.

I did mention the absolute failure the 1st time . Now with only the breeding pigs , and selling the piglets we are doing fine . The profit margin was very healthy also . Sure i look at feedcosts vs income from the piglet since these are basically the only expenses .
So , i want to extend the business . Maybe that livestock development office is something . Otherwise i will check some very large producers in the neighbourhood .

[COXYATCITY]

sezze, on 2012-05-23 08:44:01, said:

IsaanAussie, on 2012-05-23 06:26:45, said:

sezze, on 2012-05-23 03:46:33, said:

Probably a stupid question , but is there something like a market for pigs ..
After trying and failing miserably the 1st try ( due to all beginner errors ) , we did do a 2nd try but now for breeding pigs . We just sold out the 1st lot and with a healthy margin. They all went to local people so this is only possible for low nr's . Extending the business , would provide a healthy income , if we can sell it . I'm pretty sure for let's say , 20 or 30 per month but what about larger nr's ?

Stock market for pigs? I doubt it, none around me. I assume you mean nett return (nr's)?

20 to 30 piglets per month means you will need 12 sows plus. It also would mean an average of 10 local customers per month. If you sell at weaning plus a week or so. Each repeat customer would revisit every 4 months at the earliest, assume 5. That means you need a minimum of 50 customers taking an average of 2 piglets each.

"If we can sell it" indeed. Check the local livestock development office and the net for statistics on the number of farmers raising pigs in your area. Is it satisfied by the local breeding farms? How many people are contract growing?

Can you raise the nett return? Yes, reduce your cost base and offer something the customer is willing to pay more for. Get rid of the poor performers at first opportunity for any return you can. Look at what supplementary feed you can make or grow.

In my opinion too many people look only at the gross income against the feed bill. As a breeder, and I am still guilty of this, it is all too easy to hold stock that has little chance of making a return on cost. Giving a sow another chance is a 5 to 6 month feed commitment. Cull them if in any doubt.

One thing to watch very carefully is the amount of feed given to gestating sows. Very easy to overfeed them, not only do they get too fat, the litter size can be reduced and her lactation effected. You mentioned you were a beginner, read busy reading up on nutrition. Feed is a major cost element and at 1.5ton each per year a sow is an expensive beast to feed.

I had a guy feeding our pigs. He was giving a sow just recently rejoined the same amount of feed as he fed her when she was nursing her last litter. The nett effect was about a 30% overfeeding cost.

Net return is also effected by the average parity of your sows. You should look at the replacement planning of sows and gilts to average a parity level of 2 to 3 across the herd. Maximum piglet output is normally at parity 2 to 4. Gilts deliver fewer piglets. I work on a herd average number of 9 piglets weaned per litter as the goal.

The short answer is reduce your costs and provide something perceived as better.

I did mention the absolute failure the 1st time . Now with only the breeding pigs , and selling the piglets we are doing fine . The profit margin was very healthy also . Sure i look at feedcosts vs income from the piglet since these are basically the only expenses .
So , i want to extend the business . Maybe that livestock development office is something . Otherwise i will check some very large producers in the neighbourhood .

   profit margains very healthy at the moment,good luck to you.. ,stick with it ,though this year has been very hard for most of us

[IsaanAussie]

Coxy I am with you, this last year has been very hard. I consider myself lucky the way things have panned out though. Hopefully things will stay according to plan. Even just for a little while would be nice.

[IsaanAussie]

Yesterday a sow delivered five healthy boars. Yes only five. She is a great mother and a very docile pig. At fourth parity and diminsishing litter size, decision time looms. If you do the math, she had produced 14 piglets in the last year and assuming all the new ones reach weaning which they should do, the average cost of her piglets is around 1,100 baht. Industry standard prices for piglets is 1,700 baht so there is still a profit.
So what to do?
I am in a transition phase of changing the herd over. If she was to throw another litter of five, then her cost per piglet annually would be closer to 1,500 baht.

What would you do?

[sezze]

IsaanAussie, on 2012-05-25 07:45:53, said:

Yesterday a sow delivered five healthy boars. Yes only five. She is a great mother and a very docile pig. At fourth parity and diminsishing litter size, decision time looms. If you do the math, she had produced 14 piglets in the last year and assuming all the new ones reach weaning which they should do, the average cost of her piglets is around 1,100 baht. Industry standard prices for piglets is 1,700 baht so there is still a profit.
So what to do?
I am in a transition phase of changing the herd over. If she was to throw another litter of five, then her cost per piglet annually would be closer to 1,500 baht.

What would you do?

Give it more more chance . Like you say , you still make a healthy profit ( for me 500 baht or more per piglet is a good profit margin ) , and even if she has same next time you will still have a profit however it is getting close to 0  . 4 times she has piglets , which is quite fast for a drop back . Also , it has been a very hot season , maybe this is also worth considering .

[jompa67]

IsaanAussie, on 2012-05-25 07:45:53, said:

Yesterday a sow delivered five healthy boars. Yes only five. She is a great mother and a very docile pig. At fourth parity and diminsishing litter size, decision time looms. If you do the math, she had produced 14 piglets in the last year and assuming all the new ones reach weaning which they should do, the average cost of her piglets is around 1,100 baht. Industry standard prices for piglets is 1,700 baht so there is still a profit.
So what to do?
I am in a transition phase of changing the herd over. If she was to throw another litter of five, then her cost per piglet annually would be closer to 1,500 baht.

What would you do?

There is many reasons for why she only produce 5 piglets. The time after insemination is critical so if she get to much food, her body temperature will increase and embryos will have hard time to survive. Another reason can be a late insemination where the amount of eggs have decrease. So don't blame the sow, give her at least one more change.

[IsaanAussie]

Come on guys, you two are like me just a soft hearted pig framer way too attached to his breeding stock. Just joking, you have hit both nails on the head, she isnt going anywhere.
I mate my pigs naturally and will offer the boar to a sow as many times as she will stand. My previous Thai helper thought that once was enough. To him entry is success well from my personal experience on the human side of things it takes two to tango. Everything about that farrowing was textbook, no mummified pigs, no still births, just five very healthy 1.8 kg piglets.  
If there is a profit at all, then costs are covered and opportunity exists to improve the return.
Feed, another one that I put down to my ex-man, he really did like the pigs, a farang was buying the food, so he fed them whenever they asked, and more than they wanted. His version, "When the pigs have enough to eat they never boxing or noisey". I printed off pages of Thai manuals to make him understand but eh... boring, a story we all know too well.