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Posted 2010-10-13 21:06:09
Ugly touring looking thing whatever it is. Hardly a sexy sportster.
 Just1Voice, on 2010-10-13 16:27:06, said:
Ok, if you go to the link I'm putting at the end of this, you'll find a pretty good article about both the 150 and 250, with a fairly good pic of both.
http://www.bestmodif...-dan-250cc.html
The pic you say is the 150i has been out for quite a while (2 years?), was originally touted as the 250, but is nothing but a photoshop, released with another photo of a black and white one by a blogger.
You even use this exact same photo right here saying that it's a 250.
http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__3931219
Edited by thomo, 2010-10-13 21:09:57.
Posted 2010-10-13 23:13:14
The new CBR250R is featured in todays paper edition of motorcyclenews.com and it is styled like a mini-VFR. 33hp, 140kg and priced to undercut Kawasaki's 250 (which is 4100 quid, but UK prices are a total rip-off these days). The engine is a modded version of their watercooled thumper used in motocross. The bike designed in Japan but built in Thailand. So not the VTR, such an old design may not be able to pass Thai emission laws. Should be slightly cheaper locally than the Kawa 250 if Honda play fair. Both Kawasaki and Honda would do well to do a naked version of these bikes. The UK still has the CBR125 so don't know about a new 150. A bit of competition for Kawasaki should hot things up nicely.
Posted 2010-10-13 23:15:03
Greg do you have any spec or pictures?
33hp out of a single that passes emissions. jeeze if correct they have done well.
Edited by thaicbr, 2010-10-13 23:16:47.
Posted 2010-10-13 23:20:43
I have the paper edition of Motorcycle News, it will turn up on their site (motorcyclenews.com), have not checked yet. Riding position looks similar to the CBR150 so not too extreme, only specs they mention have given already, It does not look the same as any photos posted in this thread.
Posted 2010-10-13 23:22:12
Na the articles not on the site yet just the front page. Does it look a bit like the Kawa ninja 250. cos thats what my bloke reckoned it looked like.
Edited by thaicbr, 2010-10-13 23:22:58.
Posted 2010-10-13 23:32:58
It's all black in the photo and on quite cheap paper but it is a bit like a very slimmed down VFR1200, the fairing looks like it runs back into the front of petrol tank same as the VFR... okay scanned it see attachment
Posted 2010-10-13 23:46:55
GREG. tHANKS FOR THAT. YOUR A STAR.
Posted 2010-10-13 23:51:33
HEY WANT TO HAVE THIS CHEAPER THAN THE kAWASAKI or at least the same price. I would have a twin over a single.
And 33hp from a 250 single cylinder road bike uuummm seems high. Thats what Honda list for the CRF 250 Motocross bike. And thats got titanium valves and a VERY regular service shedule.
Edited by thaicbr, 2010-10-13 23:59:08.
Posted 2010-10-13 23:56:29
was hoping for a naked bike myself, the VTR250 would have done fine if priced right. MCN says it is faster than the 250 Ninja as it is lighter with the same power (UK bikes restricted to 33hp for licensing reasons)...
Posted 2010-10-13 23:59:32
All these pictures, fake or real, are as exciting as a granny's underwear...
In my mind, regarding style and bike character, Honda equals BOREDOM
Don't be offended Honda riders...just my opinion
Honda's most exciting bike so far 
Posted 2010-10-14 00:00:30
gregchambers, on 2010-10-13 23:56:29, said:
was hoping for a naked bike myself, the VTR250 would have done fine if priced right. MCN says it is faster than the 250 Ninja as it is lighter with the same power (UK bikes restricted to 33hp for licensing reasons)...
interesting. Well we only have to wait a month or so 
Posted 2010-10-14 08:49:30
apetley, on 2010-10-13 15:51:08, said:
Sorry but my feeling as well..
Looks like a single ???
Edited by LivinLOS, 2010-10-14 08:52:06.
Posted 2010-10-14 08:53:53
Richard-BKK, on 2010-10-13 18:40:54, said:
The picture from LOShonda is fake, it is from a small company that sells fairings.
See here the original from the original location http://image1.shopse.../ym_1011_02.jpg
Another picture from the same catalog is this one...hahaha Guess he got permission to publish from his g/f...
That looks nicer.. Tho I note its a CB250SZ not a CBR in the branding
Posted 2010-10-14 08:55:03
Richard-BKK, on 2010-10-13 18:53:35, said:
JUDAS, on 2010-10-13 18:49:49, said:
I'm waiting for PB's opinion on the new cbr 
That would be interesting, I surely hope it go's better with him...
Didnt PB have a stroke and return to the USA with family ???
I hope I am wrong, Thats what I read on here I think.
Posted 2010-10-14 09:01:33
LivinLOS, on 2010-10-14 08:55:03, said:
Richard-BKK, on 2010-10-13 18:53:35, said:
JUDAS, on 2010-10-13 18:49:49, said:
I'm waiting for PB's opinion on the new cbr
That would be interesting, I surely hope it go's better with him...
Didnt PB have a stroke and return to the USA with family ???
I hope I am wrong, Thats what I read on here I think.
Yes he did have a stroke. He was online a couple of days ago but is having difficulties with typing, so from what he posted I feel at this stage he will just be reading and not making comment. I'm not sure if he's still back in the USA or back here.
Anyway, I am sure he will be reading the updates and replying when he is up to it.
Posted 2010-10-14 09:12:56
I actually like the looks of it based on the pic from Motorcycle News.
But a single cylinder engine based on the CRF250?? Very strange, 4 stroke 250cc motocross bikes putting out that kind of hp aren't exactly known for their longevity. Wonder how they've changed the engine to make it suitable for high mileage road use and still maintained the hp figures?
Posted 2010-10-14 09:33:07
LivinLOS, on 2010-10-14 08:55:03, said:
Richard-BKK, on 2010-10-13 18:53:35, said:
JUDAS, on 2010-10-13 18:49:49, said:
I'm waiting for PB's opinion on the new cbr
That would be interesting, I surely hope it go's better with him...
Didnt PB have a stroke and return to the USA with family ???
I hope I am wrong, Thats what I read on here I think.
Yes he did but, I saw him viewing this page so I posted that comment as a little encouragement for him.
Posted 2010-10-14 09:46:57
engrin, on 2010-10-13 15:36:58, said:
Here is a bigger one From India from October 4th. Apparently it will be released in Indonesia on the same day as here on Thailand. Lets hope it doesn't have an engine based on the asthmatic Tiger 2000 maybe 233 cc. It seems common nowadays to up the numbers. I.e. Vespa 300 is only 278cc.
Posted 2010-10-14 09:53:05
JUDAS, on 2010-10-14 09:33:07, said:
LivinLOS, on 2010-10-14 08:55:03, said:
Richard-BKK, on 2010-10-13 18:53:35, said:
JUDAS, on 2010-10-13 18:49:49, said:
I'm waiting for PB's opinion on the new cbr
That would be interesting, I surely hope it go's better with him...
Didnt PB have a stroke and return to the USA with family ???
I hope I am wrong, Thats what I read on here I think.
Yes he did but, I saw him viewing this page so I posted that comment as a little encouragement for him.
Nice to know hes viewing and (if your reading) wish the best with a speedy and full recovery.
Posted 2010-10-14 17:28:17
The old Honda CB250RS was supposed to have 30hp so I don't think it is hard going for Honda to get 33hp from one of their more modern singles, with their usual reliability etc - for sure, the Chinese copies of the old CB125 from the sixties can't get much more than 15hp out of 200cc but they are a decade or two behind Mr Honda. The MCN report, they did not ride the bike but got info from the UK importer (obviously unbiased). MCN do make things up using photoshop when it is a slow news day but the paper is packed full of new models from the Cologne show so no reason for that this week.
Found these photos someone scanned from a recent Japanese magazine, it is slowly growing on me after the disappointment of no VTR, looking very like a larger version of the CBR150 with almost twice the power!
http://img546.images...011cbr1005.jpg/
Posted 2010-10-15 17:16:06
gregchambers, on 2010-10-14 17:28:17, said:
The old Honda CB250RS was supposed to have 30hp so I don't think it is hard going for Honda to get 33hp from one of their more modern singles, with their usual reliability etc - for sure, the Chinese copies of the old CB125 from the sixties can't get much more than 15hp out of 200cc but they are a decade or two behind Mr Honda. The MCN report, they did not ride the bike but got info from the UK importer (obviously unbiased). MCN do make things up using photoshop when it is a slow news day but the paper is packed full of new models from the Cologne show so no reason for that this week.
Found these photos someone scanned from a recent Japanese magazine, it is slowly growing on me after the disappointment of no VTR, looking very like a larger version of the CBR150 with almost twice the power!
http://img546.images...011cbr1005.jpg/
The 2010 Fireblade is quoted as making 177hp, that's 44.25hp for each of it's four 250cc cylinders! So Honda are well within their capabilities with the cbr 250 at 33hp.
Specific powers: Fireblade 177hp/litre, cbr250 132hp/litre.
Posted 2010-10-15 18:44:17
gregchambers, on 2010-10-14 17:28:17, said:
The old Honda CB250RS was supposed to have 30hp so I don't think it is hard going for Honda to get 33hp from one of their more modern singles, with their usual reliability etc - for sure, the Chinese copies of the old CB125 from the sixties can't get much more than 15hp out of 200cc but they are a decade or two behind Mr Honda. The MCN report, they did not ride the bike but got info from the UK importer (obviously unbiased). MCN do make things up using photoshop when it is a slow news day but the paper is packed full of new models from the Cologne show so no reason for that this week.
Found these photos someone scanned from a recent Japanese magazine, it is slowly growing on me after the disappointment of no VTR, looking very like a larger version of the CBR150 with almost twice the power!
http://img546.images...011cbr1005.jpg/
The original CBR 250 in line 4 developed 45HP at 14500RPM
Why it was such a sort after rocket bike. And that was 15/20 years ago!! So the current CBR 1000 at 44hp per 250cc isnt that oustanding.
A 33hp 250 CBR is quite a drop on performance from the older version. But I suspect would keep a 250 Ninja struggling to keep up. Certainly off the mark.
Posted 2010-10-15 20:57:07
AFAIK the Ninja 250 also has 33HP.
Looking at the new Ninja 250s in the showroom today while I got some repairs to the ER-6n done - this is a fantastic looking bike. In fact, I thought it's the one bike where Kawasaki seems to have put the best designers on. The new Ninjette is really kick-ass - the exhaust looks like it's a 1000cc bike, and the whole package is just beautiful. The 650s are bigger of course, and they look pretty nice too. But the 250 seems the most refined of the bunch, at least for the 2011 models. Not sure they did some face lifting, or it's just colors but I feel like they look better than last year's.
The Ninja 250 is also the best selling small sports bike in the USA. So Honda has their work cut out for them. Need to wait until I see it in person - I am sure it looks a bit better than on the pictures, Honda isn't that bad at design. Still... for now the Kawa looks better. Honda has the reputation and amazing quality going for them though. If it's true that these are built in Thailand then the market will get very interesting here, that's for sure...
Posted 2010-10-17 09:51:40
nikster, on 2010-10-15 20:57:07, said:
AFAIK the Ninja 250 also has 33HP.
Looking at the new Ninja 250s in the showroom today while I got some repairs to the ER-6n done - this is a fantastic looking bike. In fact, I thought it's the one bike where Kawasaki seems to have put the best designers on. The new Ninjette is really kick-ass - the exhaust looks like it's a 1000cc bike, and the whole package is just beautiful. The 650s are bigger of course, and they look pretty nice too. But the 250 seems the most refined of the bunch, at least for the 2011 models. Not sure they did some face lifting, or it's just colors but I feel like they look better than last year's.
The Ninja 250 is also the best selling small sports bike in the USA. So Honda has their work cut out for them. Need to wait until I see it in person - I am sure it looks a bit better than on the pictures, Honda isn't that bad at design. Still... for now the Kawa looks better. Honda has the reputation and amazing quality going for them though. If it's true that these are built in Thailand then the market will get very interesting here, that's for sure...
Totally agree on the styling of the Ninja 250! I saw some pics online, and then last week decided to stop at the Kawa shop here in Chiang Mai to ask when they might be coming in. They already had them. 2 of them in fact. One in the famous Kawa Green, and the other the black & white version. That was on a Saturday. On the following Monday I took my wife to check them out and she also loves the B/W one. But we both agreed to see what Honda does. If they bring a new 250 CBR, then I'll most likely go with that. If not.....
Posted 2010-10-20 17:42:14
finally official pictures of the new CBR150, nothing about 250 yet....
http://www.thairider...hp?topic=9054.0
http://www.thairider...hp?topic=9063.0
Edited by Hili, 2010-10-20 17:44:11.
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