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#51
T_Dog
Outside Member Posted 2010-10-20 18:36:58
finally official pictures of the new CBR150, nothing about 250 yet.... http://www.thairider...hp?topic=9054.0 http://www.thairider...hp?topic=9063.0 #52
canuckamuck
A real member's member Posted 2010-10-20 18:50:45
How disappointing.
It is the same bike with a little more plastic and an exhaust that is likely too small and expensive to swap. I agree with T_dog, my hope is the 250 has some sizzle #53
Scuddy
Advanced Member Posted 2010-10-20 20:48:42
Maybe a picture of an actual bike, with a few accessories, can help show more of it's potential. What do you think?
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Edited by Scuddy, 2010-10-20 20:50:34. #54
visions
Senior Member Posted 2010-10-20 20:54:01
How disappointing. It is the same bike with a little more plastic and an exhaust that is likely too small and expensive to swap. I agree with T_dog, my hope is the 250 has some sizzle Well My order will be for a Black one for sure....dont like the other colours, they do nothing (cheap looking) for the bike.. Will place my order next Sat at the Honda party when can see in real. For economics, I can understand Honda would want change as little as possible. And for Euro regulations need those stupid indicator stalks that are the first thing to get wiped off in a bike park. Roaring trade in replacements!! And yes I hope the 250 will be a better looker. #55
Morien
Advanced Member #57
JonnyF
Senior Member Posted 2010-10-20 22:53:06
I quite like it. Can't stand the current model - but the new one is a big improvement IMO, the tri-color model looks quite cool.
If the 250 is a beefed up version with more than one cylinder then I'd be tempted to p/x the Ninjette. If it's a single then I'm not really interested no matter what it looks like. #58
CMX
Super Member Posted 2010-10-21 07:04:35
Can't get over how much we discuss appearances, given how tastes vary among us (with the seasons and years as well; my ideas on best appearances are different from some years ago).
I'm about function. Got the notion from cars that changed looks but were the same inside - to get me to buy. For example, the muffler from these 150 pictures looks might do that - muffle. Perhaps the CBR150 will be introduced as Honda's first Stealth Motorcycle and the 250 will follow. "More quiet than electric!" In any case, I know this - I'm not buying new ever again without test rides, and if dealers don't offer them, then dealers won't profit. Edited by CMX, 2010-10-21 07:07:27. #59
T_Dog
Outside Member Posted 2010-10-21 07:15:00
Can't get over how much we discuss appearances, given how tastes vary among us (with the seasons and years as well; my ideas on best appearances are different from some years ago). I'm about function. Got the notion from cars that changed looks but were the same inside - to get me to buy. For example, the muffler from these 150 pictures looks might do that - muffle. Perhaps the CBR150 will be introduced as Honda's first Stealth Motorcycle and the 250 will follow. "More quiet than electric!" In any case, I know this - I'm not buying new ever again without test rides, and if dealers don't offer them, then dealers won't profit. 
#60
CMX
Super Member Posted 2010-10-21 09:07:15
Yes, but "sexy" is in the eye of the beholder too, even mufflers. I agree about this muffler:lol:, bit it tickles me when I consider that sexy women film stars turn out to be lesbian (after I figure they're hot for males). Ugliest couple on the street (so long as they are healthy and fit) may have the most best fun in a huge city.
For the performance oriented (not necessarily speed alone - it might be fuel efficiency or cargo capabilities) motorcycles are about everything except looks, mostly. Proof is in the ride itself. PS - I am not defending ugly here, just saying that our tastes change with the years about looks and fashion, but not as much about performance. Dying to ride the 250 against others. Edited by CMX, 2010-10-21 09:12:08. #61
T_Dog
Outside Member Posted 2010-10-21 09:41:09
Tastes do indeed change over time. If someone would have told me 15 years ago that I would be catting around on a 150 cc bike, I would have laughed until I turned blue! Today, I really couldn't see myself on my old 750F or any other crotch rocket on the twisties of Northern Thailand.... The CBR-150 is just so much fun there, being as light as it is. My only complaint with it is the lack of power up high, and the new 250 might indeed solve that problem. Let's all hope it has the handling of the 150 without too much extra weight.
#62
visions
Senior Member Posted 2010-10-21 10:31:07
I have just come from the Honda Dealer and this is what they told me........
The 250 will definitely be in their showroom on 10th November. Only one colour (which I dont believe) is Black. Brochure shows same colours as the 150, They showed me the dealer info sheet they have, (in thai so I couldnt read) showing both the 150 and 250. Identical bikes from what I could see except for engine, I think rims the same as the 150 (130 tyre rear) but hard to make out in a copied brochure The pic of the engine "looked like" a parallel twin, but again hard to make out in the small pic. I was assured it was a twin cyl. That means I think a brand new engine as Honda havent previously had a parallel twin??? But I could stand to be corrected on that. 6 speed box. Price 75,000 for the 150 and 150,000 for the 250 which seems a huge jump for the extra 100cc and nothing else different?? If the new 150 tops out at 160kph as shown in the specs listed in the other posting, then the 250 has to eat the Ninja 250 for performance I would think?? As the weight difference over the 150 at 138kg wouldnt be that great? Much lighter than the Ninja. #63
canuckamuck
A real member's member Posted 2010-10-21 10:37:37
Interesting
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T_Dog
Outside Member Posted 2010-10-21 10:51:53
Interesting #65
canuckamuck
A real member's member Posted 2010-10-21 11:05:59
Interesting 
#66
bobbin
Senior Member Posted 2010-10-21 12:20:33
Re: The 150i
Tires are much bigger so should add that extra stability. But Baht 10,000 more than current model ( probably more based on discount for out-going model ) for the "benefit" of pgm injection? That buys a lot of petrol! #67
thomo
Senior Member Posted 2010-10-23 18:05:43
Re: The 150i Tires are much bigger so should add that extra stability. But Baht 10,000 more than current model ( probably more based on discount for out-going model ) for the "benefit" of pgm injection? That buys a lot of petrol! Actually it buys a new DBS muffler/downpipe, K&N airfilter, and a 28 carb from the NSR. Put those on your current CBR and see if you can still see the new model in your mirrors.
#69
thomo
Senior Member Posted 2010-10-24 10:30:49
The nose, the screen, the tank.... It does look very similar to the 150i.
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visions
Senior Member Posted 2010-10-24 12:08:19
The nose, the screen, the tank.... It does look very similar to the 150i. From what I could make out on the dealers brochure, where it was hard to make out finer detail, both bikes are identical except for the engine (and probably gearing) I was told (if you can believe and I'll wait to see/confirm) that the 250 is a twin cyl. From what I could make out, the pic of the engine showed a parallel twin. Pic was taken from the oposite side than the exhusting so cannot see the manifold to confirm. That means a brand new engine from Honda??? Hard to belive when they have the V twin available and Honda's stated aim to follow thru with V configured engines?? Interesting the web site link stated ABS.....who knows?? again wait and see. Would help explain some of the almost double price of the 250 over the 150 The pics in the link also shows face mounted direction winkers/flashers, not those vulnerable stalks. The tank at 13 + litres obviously to allow for the extra consumtion of the bigger engine but a plus on extra range for the 150. One of the big advantages of both bikes, is that the size and width has remained virtually the same as the old bike, so great for heavier traffic. So Honda have listened and addressed the consumer critisism points of the older model, plus a leading player in meeting the ever tightening emmisions control regs. #71
thomo
Senior Member Posted 2010-10-24 12:31:54
I do wonder about modding the new exhaust system on both versions.
Will DBS etc. create new pipes to fit them? What styling will be available, as the new pipe is probably the aesthetic change? And most importantly, with the pipe being even heavier (and more restrictive to pass the regulations?), how big is the increase in performance going to be? The 250 with a light clean pipe, and airfliter/breathing system to match might be a very nice bike indeed. #72
visions
Senior Member Posted 2010-10-24 13:40:25
I do wonder about modding the new exhaust system on both versions. Will DBS etc. create new pipes to fit them? What styling will be available, as the new pipe is probably the aesthetic change? And most importantly, with the pipe being even heavier (and more restrictive to pass the regulations?), how big is the increase in performance going to be? The 250 with a light clean pipe, and airfliter/breathing system to match might be a very nice bike indeed. With the muffler system these days, any mod that changes that appearance leaves you a sitting duck for the BiB. They know immediately it isnt standard and therefore will not pass emision test. Any mod would want leave the outside apearance" of the can the same Unless you are good at re-mapping the electronics, which will also need the muffler sensors moded, any change to increase power could in fact reduce it. (but may "sound" faster) If you are looking for more power best buy a biger bike. Unfortunately there is little choice other than Kawa 650 at this point in time. (meaning Kawa have no compitition, not that the 650 isnt a good bike. It is good and unbeatable power for money. #73
thomo
Senior Member Posted 2010-10-24 14:12:14
Unless you are good at re-mapping the electronics, which will also need the muffler sensors moded, any change to increase power could in fact reduce it. (but may "sound" faster) Probably not, depending on the system it would probably increase acceleration and get you into the powerband quicker. Overall power output may not be altered that much though. While also losing significant weight. The stock on the 150 now is 3 times heavier than available aftermarket, with the new 150 pipe being even heavier again. Take away this weight and whatever restrictions have been put in place, and you're looking at a nice increase in power to weight ratio, as well as better breathing engine. You will probably see similar designs for the aftermarket ones as the stock one. Quote
If you are looking for more power best buy a biger bike. Well no, it's best to change around and mod whatever bike you have in order to get the performance you want from it. Not solely about power. Edited by thomo, 2010-10-24 14:13:44. #74
BigBikeBKK
Secret Soi Rider Posted 2010-10-24 14:18:36
ABS on a 250? In Thailand? And it's going to be priced to compete with the Ninja 250R? Mmm, I really doubt it...
Edited by BigBikeBKK, 2010-10-24 14:19:42. #75
Mr.Poko
Advanced Member Posted 2010-10-24 18:35:39
Honda also plans to install an antilock brake system (ABS) in 250cc or larger motorcycles, except off-road models, by 2010.
Source: motorcycle.com The Honda Combi-ABS feels reassuringly normal as it buries its front into the Honda test track, exhibiting none of the lever pulse that's become synonymous with ABS systems. The 250cc Honda test stays remarkably stable as I trail-brake easing my grip on the lever as I approach the apex Source: motorcycle.in.th |
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