Posted 2011-06-12 00:06:53
Bidding is underway by the MRTA for the 7 station, 12.6 km Bearing to Paknam extension.
The original timetable at the start of the year was for the tender to be awarded by the end of June, contracts signed by Sept with work to commence by October but as usual it seems that will slide a little.
Here is a more detailed map of the ext (in Thai) which is the section of the line between the two red lines;
(Note: the map shows 2 future stations which will not be constructed until demand warrants - being the Naval Academy, 4th on the map, and Sailuad, 8th)
Edited by Lakegeneve, 2011-06-12 00:09:10.
Posted 2011-06-12 16:32:48
I was talking to a British engineer friend who has lived here for some time and he said that the blue line MRT extension that connects to Tao Poon won't hook up to the existing tunnel connections at Bang Sue MRT but will, instead, come above ground to terminate. This sounds ridiculous, which makes it completely plausible given the lack of systemic thinking in planning connections between the different lines. Anyone heard anything about this? Just a minor detail, but one I found interesting.
I live in Nonthaburi and go all around from Bang Sue to Bang Yai on a pretty regular basis and the pace of the work has been astounding. They're already putting in the platforms for stations around Krungthep-Non, most of the pillars are up and many are finished. Further up on Ratthanathibet they're actually putting in the concrete track bed (not sure what the proper terminology is, the big concrete path that sits atop the pillars). I'll be sad when Nonthaburi West of the River completes the conversion to a mu baan Hell due to all this, but it's good to see such far-reaching mass transit planning and I know it will really help a lot of regular folks who sit on buses for hours to get to work now (and me too!).
Posted 2011-06-13 12:10:31
 on-on, on 2011-06-12 16:32:48, said:
I was talking to a British engineer friend who has lived here for some time and he said that the blue line MRT extension that connects to Tao Poon won't hook up to the existing tunnel connections at Bang Sue MRT but will, instead, come above ground to terminate. This sounds ridiculous, which makes it completely plausible given the lack of systemic thinking in planning connections between the different lines. Anyone heard anything about this? Just a minor detail, but one I found interesting.
I am not sure if you friend has seen the plans or perhaps you misunderstood something but the 1.2km Blue Line ext to Taopoon will definately connect with the current subway as it will connect when construction starts soon for the rest of the Blue ring line. It is correct that the station will be elevated at Tao Poon where it will interchange with the Purple Line. You can find the station design on the SSC thread linked earlier.
Posted 2011-06-27 16:02:18
Lakegeneve, on 2010-11-11 15:04:56, said:
This is my summary of all the lines and extensions of all metro lines to be completed by 2029 (realistically when your grandchildren are retiring). However, this will change again and again especially if or when we have a change of government next year.
A) Current lines under construction;
1) BTS ext On Nut to Soi Baering (open 12 Aug 2011)
2) SRT Red Line from Bang Sue to Taling Chan (est open early to mid 2012)
3) MRTA Purple Line from Taopoon to Bang Yai (open early 2014)
B ) Lines tendered and contacts signed
4) MRT subway Blue Line ring ext and Bang Khae ext (construction to start end of 2010, opening 2016)
Note: last week the National Assembly and NCCC are reviewing these tenders due to allegation of curruption and collussion during the tendering process which may lead to retender of the 5 contracts.
C) Lines currently under tender
5) SRT Red Line from Bang Sue to Rangsit
5a) New Intercity terminal at Bang Sue for all N, NE & S intercity trains,
D) Lines reportedly close to tender;
6) MRT Subway Blue Line ext from Bang Sue to Taopoon (1 station),
7) BTS ext from Wong Wian Yai to Phetkasem road (viaduct built years ago and only needs tender for 4 stations. BMA gov said in Feb it would be done by end of 2011 but tender may be done by end of the year with a completion deadline for end of 2012)
E) Lines which have disappeared into a Thai policy vortex of confusion;
8 ) BTS Mo Chit to Saphan Mai ext (expected to be tendered next year but that has been said for the last 5 yrs. Original completion date was 2008),
F) Next batch of lines & exts:
9) BTS ext from Soi Baering to Samut Prakhan,
10) Orange Line,
11) Pink Line (mono-rail!!!)
12) Yellow Line
G) Thereafter:
13) Purple Line ext south,
14) Red Line from Bang Sue to Hualumphong to Mahachai
15) Airport Line from Phayathai to Bangsue to Don Meung (DMK)
16) BTS ext from Saphan Mai to Lam Lukka
17) Line 11 and line 12????
Updated info on all of these lines (and other mass transit projects) can be found on Skyscrapercity (SSC) in Thai, http://www.skyscrape...=367&order=desc
or 2Bangkok in english, http://www.angkor.co...forum/index.php.
I thought it was time to update the above to reflect developments of the last 6 months as a couple of exts have advanced. Remember, the latest network map is linked on the 1st page (#9).
A) Current lines under construction;
1) BTS ext On Nut to Soi Bearing (open 12 Aug 2011)
2) SRT Red Line from Bang Sue to Taling Chan (est open now late 2012)
3) BTS ext from Wong Wian Yai to Bang Wah (Dec 2012)
4) MRTA Purple Line from Taopoon to Bang Yai (opens early 2014)
5) MRT Blue Line ring ext (subway) and Bang Khae/Phetkasem rd ext (preliminary works started 24 June. Completion 2016)
B ) Lines tendered and contact to be signed
6) BTS Bearing to Paknam ext (awarded, contract to be signed, work expected to start Oct 11)
C) Lines with a delayed tender
7) SRT Red Line from Bang Sue to Rangsit
7a) New Intercity terminal at Bang Sue for all N, NE & S intercity trains,
D) Lines reportedly close to tender;
8) MRT Subway Blue Line ext from Bang Sue to Taopoon (1 station),
E) Lines which have disappeared into a Thai policy vortex of confusion;
9) BTS Mo Chit to Saphan Mai ext (expected to be tendered next year but that has been said for the last 5 yrs. Original completion date was 2008),
F) Next batch of lines:
10) Orange Line - at advanced planning
11) Pink Line (mono-rail!) - considered a priority due to new Government Complex. Expect tender 2012.
12) Yellow Line
G) Thereafter:
13) Purple Line ext south,
14) Red Line from Bang Sue to Hualumphong to Mahachai
15) Airport Line from Phayathai to Bangsue to Don Meung (DMK)
16) BTS ext from Saphan Mai to Lam Lukka
17) Line 11 and line 12????
H) Monorail:
I didn't mention it before but the BMA has plans for 10 monorail feeded lines but to be frank most seem unlikely to advance. The reality is that a couple of monorail firms have been courting decision makers in the last few years pushing monorail projects for BKK. Hopefully most will not see the light of day.
The Mass Transit election plans of the two major parties are essentially the same so don't expect too many changes post election.
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Posted 2011-08-14 07:22:19
that was very helpful, thanks!
Posted 2011-08-17 13:35:48
Lakegeneve, on 2011-06-27 16:02:18, said:
E) Lines which have disappeared into a Thai policy vortex of confusion;
9) BTS Mo Chit to Saphan Mai ext (expected to be tendered next year but that has been said for the last 5 yrs. Original completion date was 2008),
Any idea on the current situation with this? Originally you mentioned tender was expected 'next year' in your post written in 2010, has this come to light yet in 2011, do you know? I'm sure I remember reading another post saying people have reported seeing the construction started already. It also alludes to construction starting in 2011 in this article.
Posted 2011-08-22 18:54:39
dantilley, on 2011-08-17 13:35:48, said:
Lakegeneve, on 2011-06-27 16:02:18, said:
E) Lines which have disappeared into a Thai policy vortex of confusion;
9) BTS Mo Chit to Saphan Mai ext (expected to be tendered next year but that has been said for the last 5 yrs. Original completion date was 2008),
Any idea on the current situation with this? Originally you mentioned tender was expected 'next year' in your post written in 2010, has this come to light yet in 2011, do you know? I'm sure I remember reading another post saying people have reported seeing the construction started already. It also alludes to construction starting in 2011 in this article.
No tender yet, no contract and definately no construction. The whole thing is a mess.
The MRTA wanted to build a depot for the line on some land at to the south of Don Mueang Airport behind Kaset uni but they couldn't obtain the land. This map shows what they wanted;
Thus the MRTA is looking at some other plot around Kukot. The silly thing is that the whole line is already designed from Mo Chit to Spahan Mai (11.4km) and the further extension to Lam Lukka (18.4km). Yet the tender process is delayed until the depot site is confirmed.
A smart decision maker would have at least tendered the line from Mo Chit to Kaset- Namawin intersection so that at least a further 5-6 stations could be built to get the process started (esp as there is an elevated section of Phahonyothin road north of Ratcha intersection which needs ot be demolished) but of course for some reason the whole ext needs to be built at once rather than in stages. Apart from the elevated road there is a very unique design feature of this extension regarding passing over Vihavadi and under the DM expressway. All of which will make the construction timetable long.
If this ext is contracted sometime next year I will be happily surprised.
Posted 2011-08-30 17:11:47
Quote
Transport Min to begin building 3 more BTS lines this year
BANGKOK, 23 August 2011 (NNT) – The Transport Ministry has promised to begin the construction of three new routes of the BTS Skytrain within this
year while more studies will be conducted in detail for other pending lines.
After chairing an event to commemorate the 19th anniversary of the Mass Rapid Transit Authority of Thailand (MRTA)’s establishment, Transport
Minister Air Chief Marshal Sukumpol Suwanatat revealed that the Ministry would press on with the construction of ten more BTS routes in Bangkok. Within this
year, he said three lines were expected to have their bidding processes completed and construction commenced.
The three new lines consist of the Green Line extensions from Mo Chit to Saphan Mai and from Bearing to Samut
Prakan, the Orange Line from Taling Chan to Min Buri with a distance of 37.5 kilometers and the Pink line from Khae Rai to Min Buri with a distance of 36
kilometers.
As for the existing master plan covering a total of 12 BTS routes, ACM Sukumpol insisted that it was appropriate; however, some routes might be extended to cater to more commuters. He said the Ministry thus far had not studied the matter and would need to do so thoroughly in due course.
There has been a few articles in the press in the last week stating that 3 new lines will start before the end of the year. The reality is that they are all puff pieces and if more than one of these lines is contracted by the end of the year it will be a pleasant surprise. It will be great if the BTS ext to Saphan Mai is contracted before the end of the year but it looks highly doubtful (I could posts 3 years of article where a similar statement was made that work was about "soon"). If the MRTA can contract the line in the first half of 2012 it will be a very good outcome.
Pink Line, it was expected that this line would be contracted with construction commencing in the first quarter of 2012. There is still the major issue of if it will be the world's longest monorail line - as currently planned - with the obvious capacity limitations or if wiser heads will prevail and it will revert to heavy rail metro. The Pink Line will be whollly elevated.
Orange Line, at advance planning and was due to be tendered in 2012/13 but now has been given a greater priority given the intervention of HM. This line could be tendered later this year but still doubtful. The interesting aspect will be which section of the line is tendered first as the MRTA planned to do the TCC (MRT line station) to Bangkapi and Miniburi section first. However, HM is more interested in seeing the western section built first to alleviate traffic congestion around Siraj hospital and Pinklao. The Orange Line will be mostly underground.
Posted 2011-11-10 14:33:59
Lakegeneve, on 2011-06-27 16:02:18, said:
A) Current lines under construction;
1) BTS ext On Nut to Soi Bearing (open 12 Aug 2011)
2) SRT Red Line from Bang Sue to Taling Chan (est open now late 2012)
3) BTS ext from Wong Wian Yai to Bang Wah (Dec 2012)
4) MRTA Purple Line from Taopoon to Bang Yai (opens early 2014)
5) MRT Blue Line ring ext (subway) and Bang Khae/Phetkasem rd ext (preliminary works started 24 June. Completion 2016)
B ) Lines tendered and contact to be signed
6) BTS Bearing to Paknam ext (awarded, contract to be signed, work expected to start Oct 11)
It almost goes without saying that construction works on all lines have been severely disrupted by flooding, esp the Purple and Red lines which halted most works 2-3 weeks ago. Blue line works on Phetkasem rd and Charan Sanitwong rd were at a preliminary stage but site access is now impossible. There has been much discussion on the thai forums regarding the Blue line tunnel under the river and if it can cope with major flood events.
The contractor for the BTS WWY to Bang Wah ext, though all dry on this route, is having trouble getting materials (cement etc) and workers to the site and halted work on the 4th. The line has a strict deadline of 5 Dec 12 for an opening in the contract so even a week or two disruption will have an impact as work is already behind schedule.
Preliminary works on the BTS Bearing to Paknam ext were due to start now but early next year looks realistic.
The MRTA and Min of Transport is stating flooding may also delay by 12-18 months the tendering of the Pink and Orange lines which were envisaged to occur in the first half of next year. Budget constraints will be a major issue.
I'll update once the floods recede but if anyone has any specific queries on a particular line I'll do my best.
You can peruse the above mentioned sites for pics of flooded construction sites.
Edited by Lakegeneve, 2011-11-10 14:34:55.
Posted 2011-12-07 09:02:59
Lakegeneve, on 2011-11-10 14:33:59, said:
I'll update once the floods recede but if anyone has any specific queries on a particular line I'll do my best.
I know the floods haven't completely receded yet, but are things any clearer as to the recommencement of any delayed work? Also (and I know this is a long shot), has there been any update on the tendering of the extension north of Mo Chit?
Posted 2011-12-10 19:00:22
Should I take the SA Express or the SA City Line? Arriving at the airport and want to go downtown to connect with the BTS skytrain. Also, will I have to pay again for the BTS skytrain?
Posted 2011-12-10 19:08:22
Take the City Line although some Express Line trains do go all the way.
No integrated ticket yet, so yes, you have to pay for the BTS too.
Posted 2012-01-05 21:47:32
Quote A) Current lines under construction;
3) BTS ext from Wong Wian Yai to Bang Wah (Dec 2012)
Posted 2012-02-03 15:23:11
dantilley, on 2011-12-07 09:02:59, said:
Lakegeneve, on 2011-11-10 14:33:59, said:
I'll update once the floods recede but if anyone has any specific queries on a particular line I'll do my best.
I know the floods haven't completely receded yet, but are things any clearer as to the recommencement of any delayed work? Also (and I know this is a long shot), has there been any update on the tendering of the extension north of Mo Chit?
Apols that I missed your query. No update that I am aware of as still sorting out the issue of finding a suitable depot. I post any significant news if and when it happens.
All very silly as mentioned previously, the smart thing to do would be to divide the ext up and get the section from Mo Chit up to Major built as a start now (or 4 yrs ago!!) which would add 3-4 stations to the line which could thus be serviced by existing rolling stock (esp as by the time it opened all 35 Suk line trains would be 4 cars by then).
Posted 2012-02-03 15:29:13
The MRTA has announced that preliminary work on the 13km Bearing to Paknam ext (mentioned at the top of the page #51) will begin on 1 March. (Obviously the Oct 2011 start date didn't happen due to the floods)
The MRTA has contracted the ext as it is beyond BMA citylimits being wholly in Samut Prakhan province.
Construction of the viaduct and stations is planned to take 3 years which should be about right. The delays typically come with the electrical systems and signalling as has been the case with the WWY ext and the Bearing ext. Guessing a Aug or Dec 2016 opening??
Posted 2012-02-06 13:07:33
Thanks for the further updates. Looking forward to more outer Sukhumvit construction starting in March then!
Incidentally, something else I thought of the other day, there are 2 supposedly "planned" stations along the existing lines, one between Ari and Saphan Khwai and another between Chong Nonsi and Surasak. Any idea if they're going ahead? I'm guessing probably not for the foreseeable future...
Posted 2012-02-07 10:36:43
dantilley, on 2012-02-06 13:07:33, said:
Incidentally, something else I thought of the other day, there are 2 supposedly "planned" stations along the existing lines, one between Ari and Saphan Khwai and another between Chong Nonsi and Surasak. Any idea if they're going ahead? I'm guessing probably not for the foreseeable future...
Yes that would be N6 & S4. I think most have accepted years ago that both stations will most likely never be built.
Posted 2012-02-07 13:58:43
Lakegeneve, on 2012-02-03 15:23:11, said:
dantilley, on 2011-12-07 09:02:59, said:
Lakegeneve, on 2011-11-10 14:33:59, said:
I'll update once the floods recede but if anyone has any specific queries on a particular line I'll do my best.
I know the floods haven't completely receded yet, but are things any clearer as to the recommencement of any delayed work? Also (and I know this is a long shot), has there been any update on the tendering of the extension north of Mo Chit?
Apols that I missed your query. No update that I am aware of as still sorting out the issue of finding a suitable depot. I post any significant news if and when it happens.
All very silly as mentioned previously, the smart thing to do would be to divide the ext up and get the section from Mo Chit up to Major built as a start now (or 4 yrs ago!!) which would add 3-4 stations to the line which could thus be serviced by existing rolling stock (esp as by the time it opened all 35 Suk line trains would be 4 cars by then).
I would be grateful for any news on whether the red line will be extended from Taling Chan to Salaya as has been mentioned in earlier posts.
Many thanks!
Posted 2012-02-07 18:34:03
Lakegeneve, on 2012-02-07 10:36:43, said:
dantilley, on 2012-02-06 13:07:33, said:
Incidentally, something else I thought of the other day, there are 2 supposedly "planned" stations along the existing lines, one between Ari and Saphan Khwai and another between Chong Nonsi and Surasak. Any idea if they're going ahead? I'm guessing probably not for the foreseeable future...
Yes that would be N6 & S4. I think most have accepted years ago that both stations will most likely never be built.
Yeah, as I suspected. To be honest, probably not much point in spending the money on building them now I'd have thought.
Posted 2012-02-14 15:05:43
aaoaahq, on 2012-02-07 13:58:43, said:
I would be grateful for any news on whether the red line will be extended from Taling Chan to Salaya as has been mentioned in earlier posts.
Many thanks!
Yes it most likely will but it is currently subject to a feasibility study and EIA by a consultant.
Current construction is about 86% done as of 25 Jan according to the SRT's site. The Red Line was originally meant to take 3 years to construct and open by mid 2012 but with expected delays and then last years floods mid to late 2013 is my guess. Still no rolling stock ordered and there is an issue about the Bang Sue end.
The SRT still needs ot get its house in order. Priority is the Rangsit line and Bang Sue terminal tenders. I suspect next year Salaya ext might get approved but then there will be an issue of funds?
Posted 2012-02-14 15:45:19
LG, Are there any "realistic" plans to duplicate the track at Saphan Taksin?
Posted 2012-02-14 16:23:36
whybother, on 2012-02-14 15:45:19, said:
LG, Are there any "realistic" plans to duplicate the track at Saphan Taksin?
Not really sure how it could be done without closing the station and all those beyond it? Which, as they're just extending it now, I doubt they'd want to do.
Posted 2012-02-14 16:38:13
dantilley, on 2012-02-14 16:23:36, said:
whybother, on 2012-02-14 15:45:19, said:
LG, Are there any "realistic" plans to duplicate the track at Saphan Taksin?
Not really sure how it could be done without closing the station and all those beyond it? Which, as they're just extending it now, I doubt they'd want to do.
, they could move the station away from the river where there is more room to build over the road going towards the bridge over the river. I don't think there is any way they could have 2 platforms where the station currently is. Once the station is moved, they would dismantle the current platform and lay new tracks.
Posted 2012-02-14 16:44:24
^ Yes, but there would still be a period of closure (albeit not as long as if they closed it for the entire duration of the construction).
Another way is they could have it on 2 levels on top of each other, one going towards Thonburi and the other towards Surasak.This would involve less construction as they would just have to modify the existing station rather than building a whole new one, and change the tracks to start going up-hill further back along the line.
Edited by dantilley, 2012-02-14 16:44:55.
Posted 2012-02-15 00:40:38
whybother, on 2012-02-14 16:38:13, said:
dantilley, on 2012-02-14 16:23:36, said:
whybother, on 2012-02-14 15:45:19, said:
LG, Are there any "realistic" plans to duplicate the track at Saphan Taksin?
Not really sure how it could be done without closing the station and all those beyond it? Which, as they're just extending it now, I doubt they'd want to do.
, they could move the station away from the river where there is more room to build over the road going towards the bridge over the river. I don't think there is any way they could have 2 platforms where the station currently is. Once the station is moved, they would dismantle the current platform and lay new tracks.
The plan floated over a year ago by the BMA and Highways dept was to realign the eastbound lanes (south side of the station) by extending the bridge width 1-2 lanes to the south - I guess by building a whole new viaduct alongside the current city side of the span or re-engineering the whole bridge - which would allow space for a new platform to be built over the current air space of the 3rd lane. There was a render somewhere on a SSC thread. I'll see if I can find it.
I have had and agree with the idea that it would be cheaper and simpler to just build a new platform or station above Charoen Krung road where there is the air space above the road. Then just have an internal pedestrian link under the BTS viaduct linking with the main station. For the long term the station needs to be expanded given the amount of pax from both the GK rd end and the river end. Thus, this would assist for future capacity.
Whatever ends up happening don't expect it before the Bang Wah ext is finally opened in Aug 13.
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