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Posted 2010-10-29 15:41:25
Why is this a 4 page topic? Construction workers die every single day.
Posted 2010-10-29 15:45:45
Because it's Central World, and it's the red shirt's fault, or the government's fault, or the coup, or Thaksin, or ...
Or maybe it's just some idiot who did not put the scaffolding up properly.
Edited by whybother, 2010-10-29 15:52:36.
Posted 2010-10-29 15:47:04
Your handle is very appropriate.
Posted 2010-10-29 15:49:50
Hence no Health & Safety. But that would push the price up. As we all know life is so cheap. So why bother??????? R.I.P
Posted 2010-10-29 15:51:02
Many scafolding collapses are caused by a lazy mans load and as they were pouring concerte it's perfectly possible that was the reason in this case.
Way too quick to point the finger and shout dodgy construction company, most accidents are down to human error.
The Thai slaggers on here can't help themselves and their know it all attitude stinks.
Wasn't that long ago there were so many collapses in Sydney Australia they had a special investigation team look into it, the UK has loads every year, 3 only recently, some may remember the large hotel where the whole lot came down, New York had a bad one not that long ago and 30 odd people ended up in hospital when one collapes about 2 months ago in Nigeria
It's a worldwide problem and building is a dangerous game no matter what country your in.
Unless someone knows different this is the first one I've heard off since the building boom started.
Sorry for those who died and I hope they get the others out safely which is now the most important thing.
Posted 2010-10-29 16:19:10
Yes - more unnecessary deaths contributed to the red scumbags.
Posted 2010-10-29 16:21:19
. . . in a survey of 6,000 Thais in 18 provinces, conducted by the Health Systems Research Institute, the average Thai IQ = 91 . . . 25% of those tested (-1 standard deviation to -2 standard deviations) are below 75 . . . IQ = 70 is mentally retarded . . . 8.5% of thise tested were below IQ = 70.
. . . the cause identified by researchers is lack of iodine, essential for fetal brain developoment.
. . . so sad for Thai children.
Edited by swillowbee, 2010-10-29 16:23:06.
Posted 2010-10-29 16:22:08
Seeing as we are playing the generalisation game, In my experience in Thailand in industry, I have worked with scaffolders and riggers who are as skilled, professional and as safe (sometimes better) as anywhere in the "western" world, and it may shock are esteemed TV resident construction "experts" to find they are in fact Thai , indonesian and Malyasian nationals.....
As regards the accident at hand, no one at this stage really knows what happened, but its nice seeing the resident "TV experts" out in force giving their "professional" judgements as always.
On an eariler post somebody commented about OSHA coming to Thailand to see what was going on.....My I humbly suggest that OSHA stay out of Thailand until such time as they get their own backyard cleaned up, some of the best examples of bad scaffolding and rigging practices can be found in the US which I have seen them with my own two eyes, really scarey stuff...
Posted 2010-10-29 16:26:20
RIP for the victims, a needless tragedy for both them and their families.
My guess is this is compounded of several causes:
1. Theft or sabotage of brackets/bolts
(red shirts? Could be - they don't like CW, remember - or just scavengers? Either is possible, maybe both, maybe one and the same!)
2. Overloading (pouring concrete? maybe...)
3. Poor supervision (asleep, down the brothel, watching TV, moonlighting)
I'll also put money on some low-level supervisor being found and made scapegoat (the company will like that) while 1 & 2 largely get overlooked.
Edited by dobadoy, 2010-10-29 16:30:13.
Posted 2010-10-29 16:50:06
Ah yes... the same as they use in Malaysia and Japan and... South Africa and... Brazil.
I assure you there are world standards such as ASME, Z359 for safety belts, and others that do state standards that are worldwide industry standards which many govt worldwide incorporate into their laws. I never said they were used by all countries but believe me they are in place as references. Many times in contract"s these are referenced to as "Best industry practice". Its a catch all in many contracts.
Do you think this construction firm would have not have been more safety oriented if they were subject to say a 10,000 pound per day fine for scaffolding if it does not meet Industry Standards? Do you think ZEN might have checked their contractors safety practices if ZEN knew that they could also be liable for injury to workers if their contractor did not fulfil their obligation to make sure that safe work practices were put in place by workers on their work site? I think the key word here is enforcement. And yes I have worked in Asia since 1982 everywhere from India to Indonesia to Singapore to Burma. I have seen the worst believe me so don't think I dropped in the airport last week trying to impose European Standards here.
Posted 2010-10-29 16:52:46
Thats correct on OSHA staying home.....ha ha they have plenty to keep them busy there! LOL
Posted 2010-10-29 16:56:52
Then you would agree that commercial construction is always the last to catch up and even in the most regulated western country, that is were most accidents of this nature happen.
To my knowledge, an owner is not liable for the injuries of one it's contractor's workers anywhere. If that was true, not much would actually get built anywhere.
Posted 2010-10-29 17:08:07
Duh !! So there is a statute of limitations on this criminal act in your opinion!! You don't know who torched it??? You need to get your need to get your head out of the sand. --- It was my elderly Mother getting her 10 minutes of fame as a supporter of the "Blue Rinse Set". What's your guess if your not sure?
Ya gotta wonder!
Edited by bdenner, 2010-10-29 17:09:29.
Posted 2010-10-29 17:12:10
It's a shame that this 'house of profit', now again is the scene of "murder" - first some 90 people died, no one from the government paid their respect / regret about this. But they laid down flowers for the cash cow (CW) and teenagers were outraged about their 'temple' had been desecrated by those 'primitive anti-government-people' / terrorists from the countryside and their posh dreams went up in flames.
Now the corrupt mal-practice of giving 'safety approvals' to any 'builder' having some extra cash for the 'officials' again kills people. Ignorance is Bliss. Who cares about the 'code of honor' anymore, obviously nobody on any side... very sad, very sick, very common.
Posted 2010-10-29 17:12:10
Why pay extra for safety programs when you can pay 20,000 baht for the construction worker's deaths - the going rate in contractors
Posted 2010-10-29 17:26:29
It was Taksin who undid the bolts. Jog on
Posted 2010-10-29 17:37:04
Even though they burnt the place down, they can't be held responsible for shoddy construction methods.
Sorry Army burnt the thing down. It was in desperate need of refurb and the owners are very pally with the army. Was only recently that the owners bought some old army barracks in the city centre. Please broaden your horizons and dont believe what any media tell you here.
Posted 2010-10-29 17:39:56
... and I'm expected to believe what you tell me?
Posted 2010-10-29 18:11:06
These deaths resulted from the damage caused by the bombers who are now, at least idirectly, murderers in my view - without the bomb there would have been no rebuilding and without the rebuilding no scaffolding.....
Posted 2010-10-29 18:15:32
Posted 2010-10-29 18:16:46
Everything. FYI, they torched the place.What did the red shirts have to do with it?
An eye for an eye; take two prominent red shirts in the clink and execute them.
Posted 2010-10-29 18:28:50
I think we should blame the Hindu gods at whose statues out front hundreds of Thai Buddhists prayed every day. With the arson destruction of Central World and now these fatalities, the Buddhists will have to return to the Hindu shrine at Erawan Hotel. Oh wait, that's no longer a lucky shrine due to the man who defaced the shrine and his murder. Hmmm...this is getting to beproblematic. We seem to be running out of notable Hindu shrines at that intersection.
Posted 2010-10-29 18:39:11
After reading the vast majority of these posts, one had better hope an IQ/intelligence test doesnt become part of the visa requirements for Thailand , as I suspect we would be seeing a signficant drop in the number of TV members permitted to live in Thailand...
Never read so much drivel on TV in a long time
Posted 2010-10-29 18:55:45
Desperate need of refurb? Where are you getting this from? It had been refurbished at vast expense only a year or two prior.
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