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[Beggar]

I know this gang. Very often I sit there at the beach. It seems to be always the same procedure and this has been going on for many months now. A sad story...

[EyesWideOpen]

   Sometimes I wonder if Pattaya has a government..... Every once in a while I see pictures of officials at grand openings, so I am pretty sure they exist. But their goal should be to run Pattaya in a reasonable fashion. So let's go over the basics. Pattaya is a tourist town. Any issues that harms tourism, in fact harm everyone in the entire town. So I would think that the government would IMMEDIATELY crack down and stop this jet ski  bullshit. The fact they do not clearly indicates to me that the hands in the till reach all the way up to the top. There is no other reasonable explanation for their lack of action....

  So allow me to propose a simple solution. Ban all jet skis...This is elegantly simple, and easy to implement. All these headline grabbing face losing reports about jet skis scams go away. Hopefully the scumbags involved in this may go away as well. There is an additional side benefit, as the lack of jet skis would prevent Russian swimming tourists in Jomtien from being run over and killed. So my idea looks to me to be a win win win.... 

  

[Foggy Bottom]

PhilHarries, on 2010-11-30 22:08:08, said:

cxxis, on 2010-11-30 21:41:43, said:

Just read somewhere that the TAT received a budget of many milj. THB to upgrade/update about 80 tourist related web sites. Might be an idea to annonce that jet-skies are ilegal in Thailand and urge ALL tourists NOT to rent one.

Best idea on the thread unfortunately the people that would be called upon to police any ban are the people who own the jet skis.

Maybe it's time the Thai government outsourced the police force. Get a private security contractor in.

They tried that once - as I remember it, the "contractors" came, built a few airfields, bombed the neighbours, developed fishing villages into the largest brothels east of Suez, then buggred off again after the neighbours kicked their sorry asses out of the region.

Still, at least they gave it a go.

[DoctorG]

My son was planning to come to Thailand for his honeymoon. I am advising him to go elsewhere. He likes to spend money, not like his cheap-charlie dad
Are we really the only ones that understand that the decline in the tourist numbers here will adversely affect the Thai economy?
Is the Thai government unaware of the long-term impact, or is everyone here just looking out for their own short-term financial gain?
I can understand it from the poor who are just trying to survive, but governments are supposed to be for the greater good. Yes, it is OK, I know the answer already .

[RickBradford]

Luckily, these days we have something called the 'Internet'.

So, we know that of course the local cops are going to do nothing, but it doesn't matter.

If you want to really damage these a**holes, you must use social media -- Facebook and Twitter, because that is where opinions are formed these days. The upside is that you could do some serious damage via these channels without going near the cops or the useless newspapers.

[buzz]

saintofsilence, on 2010-11-30 20:31:57, said:

buzz, on 2010-11-30 19:55:53, said:

Scum of Thailand ... thai mafia linked businesses involved in tourism should be wiped out ... why doesn't the TAT step in and do something ... set-up a scene - video it and have the cuprits charged with extortion ... do the same in Phuket and in Samui with the Taxi mafia.
I mean it can't be that hard - can it ?

These guys are just biting the hand that feeds 'em, and it's the law abiding tourist businesses who suffer !

here is some video of the some jet ski thugs in action

http://www.thaivisa...._1#entry4054113

I'm sure they had a vid on one at Chawang beach a couple of years ago as well ... was in the newspapers

The point is, the useless TAT should not only do promo work, they should be an Authority and go after these pricks - catch 'em out red handed with their own evidence and then make a big deal in the press - They can then blow their horns that something is being done. by them.

I know i know, it'll never happen (thats probably why I live here !)

[outre99]

Definitely second that.  I've been living on Maerampung beach for the last 2 years.  It's only 40 minutes from Pattaya but is still very Thai, although the number of farang has been slowly increasing.  There are no scams or jet skis for that matter, and i'm yet to meet our finest BiBs.  The beach is in the same national park as Koh Samet but a lot cheaper and much easier to get to.  Now going to Pattaya feels like culture shock.

Edited by outre99, 2010-11-30 22:33:09.

[toenail]

A couple weeks ago I got on Virtual Tourist and wrote up some scams in Pattaya but not everyone coming here will do their homework and read virtual tourist which tells about tourist sights and scams from people who have visited cities around the world.  Maybe the "famous" Pattaya tourist police could stand at the bus station and pass out leaflets warning the tourists of the scams.  Aren't they here to help the tourist?

The past 2 months there have been been comments on Thaivisa plus videos recording these scams. Thee was a comment by Pattaya Mail newspaper about these jet ski scams AND THE CITY JUST TURNS THEIR HEADS.  What does it take????????????????   I think the mayor and city officials are afraid of the local police.

[saintofsilence]

rhiekel, on 2010-11-30 22:20:18, said:

   Sometimes I wonder if Pattaya has a government..... Every once in a while I see pictures of officials at grand openings, so I am pretty sure they exist. But their goal should be to run Pattaya in a reasonable fashion. So let's go over the basics. Pattaya is a tourist town. Any issues that harms tourism, in fact harm everyone in the entire town. So I would think that the government would IMMEDIATELY crack down and stop this jet ski  bullshit. The fact they do not clearly indicates to me that the hands in the till reach all the way up to the top. There is no other reasonable explanation for their lack of action....

  So allow me to propose a simple solution. Ban all jet skis...This is elegantly simple, and easy to implement. All these headline grabbing face losing reports about jet skis scams go away. Hopefully the scumbags involved in this may go away as well. There is an additional side benefit, as the lack of jet skis would prevent Russian swimming tourists in Jomtien from being run over and killed. So my idea looks to me to be a win win win.... 

  

how do you implement it ?

[Beetlejuice]

The solution is; do not  visit Pattaya.

These illegal practices will continue as long as there are those victims waiting to happen in plentiful supply. Just stop using these tourist scammers and put them out of business.

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Edited by Beetlejuice, 2010-11-30 23:24:51.

[manta]

ilyelol, on 2010-11-30 19:56:34, said:

Thats why expats should direct everyone to thai beaches. Koh samet and the like have almost no issues.

You have got to be joking, Samet with it's national park tax is the biggest rip off going...

[surangw]

dasy, on 2010-11-30 21:23:51, said:

ilyelol, on 2010-11-30 19:56:34, said:

Thats why expats should direct everyone to thai beaches. Koh samet and the like have almost no issues.

I think thats very good idea there are numerous beaches / islands with great facilities without this BS which will at the end prevent our tourists to return. If you had a great time in a country far away from your own and you come back you will tell all of your friends who will think less than twice to also come and see Thailand. The decision to come will be hindered right away if you come back with negative stories.

but the way it goes  here,  the scammers will follow where ever they can find victims

[IanForbes]

RickBradford, on 2010-11-30 22:25:42, said:

Luckily, these days we have something called the 'Internet'.

So, we know that of course the local cops are going to do nothing, but it doesn't matter.

If you want to really damage these a**holes, you must use social media -- Facebook and Twitter, because that is where opinions are formed these days. The upside is that you could do some serious damage via these channels without going near the cops or the useless newspapers.

RickBradford is correct. You can't beat these thugs from the beaches of Pattaya. They are too well entrenched with the local police. The facebook thing WOULD work. I originally thought you could beat them by informing every customer that all jetski operators were scammers. But, that would only bring heat on yourself and you wouldn't have any backup to protect you. Do it from a distance (facebook etc) and through advertising.

Pattaya is well known as being "sin city:. That is why we go there and enjoy the craziness. There's no place else like it. But, you can't be silly when walking into a room full of thieves and cutthroats. It's like Angeles City in the Philippines... only a bit cleaner and less desperate. If you KNOW it's a scam city then why go? The obvious answer is the action. That is why people go to Las Vegas. It's a bit scary and more exciting than Nowheresville, USA, or stuffy London, England.  

I'm still amazed at why people try to settle in Pattaya and then complain about the very reasons the place is so popular in the first place. There are thousands of far better beaches in Thailand and more family oriented places to settle down. Why pick some place known for its sleaze and corruption, and then complain about it?

It's like the old story about the guy sitting down at the poker table with a bunch of known card sharks. He was asked why he risked it and his reply was it was the only game in town. If you KNOW the town is sleazy then why go there in the first place? A fool and his money are soon parted.

[manta]

toenail, on 2010-11-30 22:38:38, said:

A couple weeks ago I got on Virtual Tourist and wrote up some scams in Pattaya but not everyone coming here will do their homework and read virtual tourist which tells about tourist sights and scams from people who have visited cities around the world.  Maybe the "famous" Pattaya tourist police could stand at the bus station and pass out leaflets warning the tourists of the scams.  Aren't they here to help the tourist?

The past 2 months there have been been comments on Thaivisa plus videos recording these scams. Thee was a comment by Pattaya Mail newspaper about these jet ski scams AND THE CITY JUST TURNS THEIR HEADS.  What does it take????????????????   I think the mayor and city officials are afraid of the local police.

Funny how they can let a few people ruin holidays and for some an experience of a life time, in this time and age you should be  trying to secure return trade, what do you think they’re going to tell their friends??
It makes my blood boil..

[uncletom]

phuketrichard, on 2010-11-30 20:14:50, said:

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certain jet ski operators have taken a leaf out of the scam book made infamous by their Phuket cousins,

This must be a first as usually Phuket takes after Pattaya but cant ever seem to get it right

Connection to the Notorius Phuket - Pattaya idiots?
Perhaps Just changed hands, being maybe a move and from related hands from the alleged and AQUITED?.  Or was he aquited?

Now an over sized knife. Surely the same people thinking in different technique and in a different neighborhood in Thailand. Big knife, is scarier that a gun in my eyes..

So, my question is…What time, if any, did that scum bag from Phuket as in jail time get?, and then get out..if any?
Search this out, and the timing now, and it may equivocate to the same.

I saw the media on that operation, and I really hate that scumbag..Easy for him to go away if wanted is my thoughts from him being a worthless human being! NO SCUM BAG NO CRY...NO SCUM BAG NO CRY!!! TO BOB MARLEY MUSIC OF COURSE..

uncletom

[spud1]

Although my story has no revelance to the jetski scam it has with the knife incident.Only this weekend I got into a fight with a group of Thai scum over a car accident in Rayong.To cut a long story short I was punched unprovoked by the one Thai that was involved at the time.After retaliating and giving the lowlife a hiding the usual scenario of Thai cowardice evolved.He'd got on the phone and a couple more lowlifes turned up.At this point the thing escalated to where I was being threatened with a machete.Luckily for me the police (I use that term lightly) arrived.I'll add that I also had my G/F and her brother and sisters young daughters with me.After making statements at the station and the police omitting the machete incident they were allowed to walk free.This is only an outline of the full story but gives an insight to what use the police are here in Thailand.What I find unbelievable is not just the fact that if the police hadn't turned up when they did I might not be here to post this reply,it's the fact no one's concerned that scumbags such has these are able to brandish machete's around when young children are about.The place is lawless.

Edited by spud1, 2010-12-01 00:06:20.

[uncletom]

spud1, on 2010-11-30 23:36:32, said:

Although my story has no revelence to the jetski scam it has with the knife incident.Only this weekend I got into a fight with a group of Thai scum over a car accident in Rayong.To cut a long story short I was punched unprovoked by the one Thai that was involved at the time.After retaliating and giving the lowlife a hiding the usual scenario of Thai cowardice evolved.He'd got on the phone and a couple more lowlifes turned up.At this point the thing escalated to where I was being threatened with a machete.Luckily for me the police (I use that term lightly) arrived.I'll add that I also had my G/F and her brother and sisters young daughters with me.After making statements at the station and the police omitting the machete incident they were allowed to walk free.This is only an outline of the full story but gives an insight to what use the police are here in Thailand.What I find unbelievable is not just the fact that if the police hadn't turned up when they did I might not be here to post this reply,it's the fact no one's concerned that scumbags such has these are able to brandish machete's around when young children are about.The place is lawless.

WAS IT A RENTAL CAR? And or local rental car? Or just your own?
Makes no difference to your ordeal, but maybe it does.. Non selective..


uncletom

[jackr]

EarthAlien, on 2010-11-30 20:09:59, said:

The Irish are known for their ability to demonstrate violence when provoked (just ask the English) and they can be very tough nuts to crack so these Thai morons were lucky on this occasion. We should invite a few groups of lads from Edinburgh and Glascow over and see how the Thai mini mafia fair against them!

Pull your head in little boy, you'll never win in this neck of the woods fighting fire with fire no matter how tough you reckon you or your clan are. For the record, you skirt-wearing lot (plus funky neighbours) are about as tough or scary as an unruly class of schoolgirls. The hardcore - the ones who don't need to shout about it - are all south of the wall... ooh, my dad's bigger than yours.

While it'd be nice to have em picked off by men in black, or a Taksin-esque cull of the scum, the reality is it's never going to be eradicated as anyone with any nous on how things work here knows they're in cahoots with the law.

[AleG]

IanForbes, on 2010-11-30 23:23:26, said:

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I'm still amazed at why people try to settle in Pattaya and then complain about the very reasons the place is so popular in the first place. There are thousands of far better beaches in Thailand and more family oriented places to settle down. Why pick some place known for its sleaze and corruption, and then complain about it?

It's like the old story about the guy sitting down at the poker table with a bunch of known card sharks. He was asked why he risked it and his reply was it was the only game in town. If you KNOW the town is sleazy then why go there in the first place? A fool and his money are soon parted.

The problem with that is that Thailand has been promoting Pattaya (among other places) as a tourist destination for families and "quality" tourists. It's no wonder those people arrive there that the reaction from the usual suspects is like throwing fresh chum in a shark tank.

Quite related to this, I get a chuckle out of the new close circuit monitors in the MRT stations here in Bangkok, they loop a promotional video for tourists, the catch phrase of the song? "Thailand, once in a life time"  

[uncletom]

Corruption with a legimate agency of the law? Or law enforcemnet does not want to be bothered to be drawn into and out throug-out a court trial taking up their time? Think about it!

uncletom

[bangon04]

ilyelol, on 2010-11-30 19:56:34, said:

Thats why expats should direct everyone to thai beaches. Koh samet and the like have almost no issues.

Yet........

The more these things go unpunished, indeed supported by the police, then the more people will see that it can be a nice little earner, and any farang will become fair target - anything from the jetski scam, to the underage daughter scam, and all the scams in between, including the "let's demand money from the foreigner because he is a foreigner" scam. Add to this the worldwide slowdown in spending / wasting your money on holidays, and the way forward will be clear.

[spud1]

uncletom, on 2010-11-30 23:51:44, said:

spud1, on 2010-11-30 23:36:32, said:

Although my story has no revelence to the jetski scam it has with the knife incident.Only this weekend I got into a fight with a group of Thai scum over a car accident in Rayong.To cut a long story short I was punched unprovoked by the one Thai that was involved at the time.After retaliating and giving the lowlife a hiding the usual scenario of Thai cowardice evolved.He'd got on the phone and a couple more lowlifes turned up.At this point the thing escalated to where I was being threatened with a machete.Luckily for me the police (I use that term lightly) arrived.I'll add that I also had my G/F and her brother and sisters young daughters with me.After making statements at the station and the police omitting the machete incident they were allowed to walk free.This is only an outline of the full story but gives an insight to what use the police are here in Thailand.What I find unbelievable is not just the fact that if the police hadn't turned up when they did I might not be here to post this reply,it's the fact no one's concerned that scumbags such has these are able to brandish machete's around when young children are about.The place is lawless.

WAS IT A RENTAL CAR? And or local rental car? Or just your own?
Makes no difference to your ordeal, but maybe it does.. Non selective..


uncletom

The car was my G/F's brother's,I was blameless for the accident has I wasn't even in the car when it was reversed into.But this has no revelance to the point I,m trying to make.

Edited by spud1, 2010-12-01 00:08:23.

[elcent]

BigC, on 2010-11-30 22:12:24, said:

TheWalkingMan, on 2010-11-30 19:55:22, said:

Jeez...

Somebody is going to get killed or severely injured by one of these riff-raff.  And I bet when it happens, the police and other officials will claim no knowledge of any scams ever happening in Pattaya.



TheWalkingMan

should ban jet skis. that will make them all un happy. even the good jet ski people as they will lose their business due to the bad rivals. thats if there is such a thing

There must be absolutely a ban on these water tuk-tuks. :lol:Klong San Seab should be their destination.
There are great alternatives with far more fun and it's clean and so exiting.

Have a look, never seen here I think

[uncletom]

spud1, on 2010-12-01 00:05:48, said:

uncletom, on 2010-11-30 23:51:44, said:

spud1, on 2010-11-30 23:36:32, said:

Although my story has no revelence to the jetski scam it has with the knife incident.Only this weekend I got into a fight with a group of Thai scum over a car accident in Rayong.To cut a long story short I was punched unprovoked by the one Thai that was involved at the time.After retaliating and giving the lowlife a hiding the usual scenario of Thai cowardice evolved.He'd got on the phone and a couple more lowlifes turned up.At this point the thing escalated to where I was being threatened with a machete.Luckily for me the police (I use that term lightly) arrived.I'll add that I also had my G/F and her brother and sisters young daughters with me.After making statements at the station and the police omitting the machete incident they were allowed to walk free.This is only an outline of the full story but gives an insight to what use the police are here in Thailand.What I find unbelievable is not just the fact that if the police hadn't turned up when they did I might not be here to post this reply,it's the fact no one's concerned that scumbags such has these are able to brandish machete's around when young children are about.The place is lawless.

WAS IT A RENTAL CAR? And or local rental car? Or just your own?
Makes no difference to your ordeal, but maybe it does.. Non selective..


uncletom

The car was my G/F's brother's,I was blameless for the accident has I wasn't even in the car when it was reversed into.But this has no revelance to the point I,m trying to make.

Yeah, no it doesn’t in this circumstance.

I have been through a ton, and having knives too. Ain’t logical or fair neither for what you and the family went through. J
ust…TIT unfortunately.. Sorry you had that happen.

Maybe will happen again. Heads up for the future!Take care. I can see you have spent some time here and know ssomthings personally.Many TV posters haven't even the foggiest. All talk...

uncletom

[uncletom]

elcent, on 2010-12-01 00:20:48, said:

BigC, on 2010-11-30 22:12:24, said:

TheWalkingMan, on 2010-11-30 19:55:22, said:

Jeez...

Somebody is going to get killed or severely injured by one of these riff-raff.  And I bet when it happens, the police and other officials will claim no knowledge of any scams ever happening in Pattaya.



TheWalkingMan

should ban jet skis. that will make them all un happy. even the good jet ski people as they will lose their business due to the bad rivals. thats if there is such a thing

There must be absolutely a ban on these water tuk-tuks. :lol:Klong San Seab should be their destination.
There are great alternatives with far more fun and it's clean and so exiting.

Have a look, never seen here I think

I rest my statement..Be safe in your travles as well as I will be too...

uncleton