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[webfact]

Poll says majority of Thais willing to sell their votes

A majority of Thai voters say they are willing to accept money from election candidates who want to buy their votes, according to a poll published on Sunday.

The poll by Bangkok's Assumption University of 2,604 eligible voters in Bangkok and 17 other provinces found that 53.2 per cent would be willing to sell their votes, 40.2 per cent would not and 6.6 per cent were undecided.

According to the poll, the north-east showed the highest proportion of people willing to sell their votes, at 69.6 per cent, followed by Bangkok.

The poll found that 79.5 per cent of those surveyed admitted vote-buying took place in their communities, while 20.5 per cent denied it.

Asked about their political affiliation, 61.1 per cent said they were not yet committed while 27.2 per cent supported the government and 11.7 per cent were opposed to it.


-- The Nation 2011-01-16

[gotlost]

My wife's family make about 500 baht each for very illegible voter in their family. I ask a while back as they were collecting their money where I could get mine and they just laughed.

[jayjay0]

Interesting the highest percentage in the North East. I thought they were all in favor of democracy. the poll go's to show that only a minority are interested in Democracy. As long as they can get a Baht in the hand now who cares.

Then we come to Bangkok the second highest percentage. The stronghold of the yellow shirts who only wanted to grant 30% of the seats to be filled by voting.

And lost in the middle is the people who really believe in democracy .

oops forgot to mention how predictable.

Edited by jayjay0, 2011-01-16 14:02:05.

[Jingthing]

The makings of a great democracy! Seems to me the culture of corruption and vote buying needs to be addressed urgently. In my view, politically motivated policies that bring money to targeted constituencies through new programs is not the same thing as vote buying, and not nearly as bad (can even be positive).

Edited by Jingthing, 2011-01-16 14:05:16.

[gotlost]

Talking with the wife's family they tell me they'll take any fools money but will only vote for who they thank will do the best job.

[doggie888888]

They should just take the money from the crooked politicians and then go and vote for whoever they want anyway...after all, their vote is secret, is it not?  Better still, take money from both sides...

[Jingthing]

Is their vote really a secret especially in tight knit villages with dominant power structures? I doubt it.

[doggie888888]

I don't really know but I assume it is controlled by some electoral commission, and not at village level...otherwise how can the system claim to be truly democratic if voters feel that they may be intimidated after their vote is individually revealed?

[Jingthing]

doggie888888, on 2011-01-16 14:37:17, said:

I don't really know but I assume it is controlled by some electoral commission, and not at village level...otherwise how can the system claim to be truly democratic if voters feel that they may be intimidated after their vote is individually revealed?

Who claimed Thailand has a perfect democracy? Nobody I have ever heard of on any side.

[doggie888888]

Jingthing, on 2011-01-16 14:39:06, said:

doggie888888, on 2011-01-16 14:37:17, said:

I don't really know but I assume it is controlled by some electoral commission, and not at village level...otherwise how can the system claim to be truly democratic if voters feel that they may be intimidated after their vote is individually revealed?

Who claimed Thailand has a perfect democracy? Nobody I have ever heard of on any side.

I do not think it is perfect, but I do think that they've got at least one fundamental right...of keeping votes secret.  But hey, purely conjecture on my part and if votes were not secret, then Thai demopcracy is worse than I thought.

[Jingthing]

doggie888888, on 2011-01-16 14:43:09, said:

Jingthing, on 2011-01-16 14:39:06, said:

doggie888888, on 2011-01-16 14:37:17, said:

I don't really know but I assume it is controlled by some electoral commission, and not at village level...otherwise how can the system claim to be truly democratic if voters feel that they may be intimidated after their vote is individually revealed?

Who claimed Thailand has a perfect democracy? Nobody I have ever heard of on any side.

I do not think it is perfect, but I do think that they've got at least one fundamental right...of keeping votes secret.  But hey, purely conjecture on my part and if votes were not secret, then Thai demopcracy is worse than I thought.

I recall reading personal account reports here from expats living in Isaan reporting the non-privacy of voting, and the consequences for not voting for the one chosen by the leader, not to mention voting against a promise you have taken money for. How pervasive is this? How can anyone know?

[yellow1red1]

Mark Twain,

Quote

If voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it.

true in America, Richter Scale true in 'struggling' countries

[Jingthing]

yellow1red1, on 2011-01-16 14:58:38, said:

Mark Twain,

Quote

If voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it.

true in America, Richter Scale true in 'struggling' countries

Yeah, but if most people "feel" the system is mostly "fair" then they have been co-opted into ownership in the system, and are very unlikely to violently revolt.

[pjclark1]

Maybe they have just worked out that all the politicians are the same.
So you might as well make some money out of it.
We in the west are just daft to keep voting for nothing.

If anyone wants to give me 500bht for my postal vote in the UK, please PM me.

PS
I noticed that my voting forms in the UK all had serial numbers on them.
Does anyone actually believe that vote is secret?

Edited by pjclark1, 2011-01-16 15:38:46.

[Bakseedaa]

Jingthing, on 2011-01-16 14:04:24, said:

The makings of a great democracy! Seems to me the culture of corruption and vote buying needs to be addressed urgently. In my view, politically motivated policies that bring money to targeted constituencies through new programs is not the same thing as vote buying, and not nearly as bad (can even be positive).

Why would this surprise anyone, nearly all their females sell a lot more than their  votes, and I`ll vote for more of that..  20 bahts anyone..?

[buba]

In the villages around Surin they are paid to vote for a certain number as they cannot read or write. Its the same ALL over the land of smiles.
Like everything in Thailand its just one big scam.

[DP25]

Jingthing, on 2011-01-16 14:31:47, said:

Is their vote really a secret especially in tight knit villages with dominant power structures? I doubt it.

Even if it were completely secret, many would still never believe it, and still feel obligated to vote the way they were paid to or suffer consequences.

[TheWalkingMan]

Ahhh... Thailand, the hub of everything on sale.  


TheWalkingMan

[ScubaBuddha]

jayjay0, on 2011-01-16 14:00:38, said:

Interesting the highest percentage in the North East. I thought they were all in favor of democracy.

No, they were just paid to say that.

gotlost, on 2011-01-16 13:52:15, said:

My wife's family make about 500 baht each for very illegible voter in their family. I ask a while back as they were collecting their money where I could get mine and they just laughed.

That's what my gf said too. She also said that sometimes the village leader would get a bulk payment to ensure all the votes in the moo baan. He would then disseminate it amongst the families.

[lungmi]

Other experience.
Tambon elections  in Lampang district.
The red mayor (8 years the big boss) has been kicked out. Not enough  money for vote bying.
Results> dems win 4 to 2 and the mayor.

Dems there are not yellow.

[KhaoNiaw]

Jingthing, on 2011-01-16 14:45:24, said:

I recall reading personal account reports here from expats living in Isaan reporting the non-privacy of voting, and the consequences for not voting for the one chosen by the leader, not to mention voting against a promise you have taken money for. How pervasive is this? How can anyone know?

There are canvassers/agents who distribute the money. If their areas don't vote the right way, they get shot.

[Jingthing]

KhaoNiaw, on 2011-01-16 16:35:15, said:

Jingthing, on 2011-01-16 14:45:24, said:

I recall reading personal account reports here from expats living in Isaan reporting the non-privacy of voting, and the consequences for not voting for the one chosen by the leader, not to mention voting against a promise you have taken money for. How pervasive is this? How can anyone know?

There are canvassers/agents who distribute the money. If their areas don't vote the right way, they get shot.

People are motivated by all kinds of incentives.

[mca]

lungmi, on 2011-01-16 16:22:25, said:

Other experience.
Tambon elections  in Lampang district.
The red mayor (8 years the big boss) has been kicked out. Not enough  money for vote bying.
Results> dems win 4 to 2 and the mayor.

Dems had deeper pockets then.  

[trogers]

Are CNN, BBC and Reuters putting this issue into their headlines...along side the news on govt moves against the red protestors clamoring for democracy?

[ginjag]

DP25, on 2011-01-16 16:10:48, said:

Jingthing, on 2011-01-16 14:31:47, said:

Is their vote really a secret especially in tight knit villages with dominant power structures? I doubt it.

Even if it were completely secret, many would still never believe it, and still feel obligated to vote the way they were paid to or suffer consequences.

Town and village intimidation, or be an outcast in your village, the village head man will see to that. The town voted in head of government. 46 villages in our town area, all the village head men are paid by him. Lose your part time job 6k a month. or conform. Simple isn't it. In the cities I have no Idea, but here in the sticks in Issan, Fact....some posters will say in my village it doesn't happen, but they are also blackmailed.