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Thai Men + Farang Women

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I've been told that it's quite popular for thai women with money to splash to visit the male gogos too

A few months back Stick had a link to an article that "reviewed" at least three bars that were for the ladies. Seems like they are pretty high end places and are frequented by some quite well-off ladies, both Thai and Farang.

The simple explanation is that Farang women have much higher standards than Farang men. This is not a slight against Farang men because part of it is biological. Simply put:

Farang men will date Thai women who speaks little to almost no English. Farang women would not date Thai men whom they can't communicate with fluently.

Farang men will date dirt poor Thai women with little to no prospects. Farang women would prefer someone of the same socioeconomic background or higher.

Farang men will date uneducated Thai women. Farang women prefer someone of the same educational background or higher.

Farang men seem to date pretty much any Thai woman who's younger, regardless of how attractive she is (attractive in the Thai sense). Farang women will prefer a guy around her age or slightly older who's relatively attractive.

The kinds of Thai men, therefore, that Farang women are looking for are successful, attractive, English-speaking/western educated, intelligent, and closer to in age, i.e., top notch Thai men. The bad news for Farang women is that these Thai guys are in high demand amongst the best and brightest (read hottest) Thai women in Thailand. Unless the guy has a serious farang-fetish, you're going to be hardpressed to land the top tier guys. They simply have too much to choose from.

I think that you are using the stereotypical definition of the sex tourist and/or the bitter western man here. I know of at least three western men, all long term expats with good jobs in BKK, that are dating Thai women who are of virtually the same socioeconomic background as they are. They easily could or would date western women (and have) they just happen to be dating Thai women right now. I seriously doubt that these guys would fall into your definition of "farang men" whether they be dating a Thai or Western woman.

To the OP, I have had a number of Thai men ask me questions about Western women and they do seem interested, but they seem to be a little shy to approach a Western lady. One of their biggest fears seems to be is that their English will not be good enough and that the lady may not take them seriously and that they will lose face. Obviously, there are exceptions to every rule and I am sure there are quite a number of Thai men willing to approach a Western woman, it might just take you a little longer to meet a guy in Thailand than back in the west. Perhaps some of the ladies here on TV who have Thai husbands/boyfriends can give you some advice on where to meet a nice guy. Good luck !

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I've been told that it's quite popular for thai women with money to splash to visit the male gogos too

I wouldn't say it's 'popular' outside of with female gogo dancers. Normal chicks aren't going to go hang out there

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Could the answer (at least partly) be very simple?

In Europe you will almost never see a taller woman having a relation with a shorter guy.

OK OK there are the Berlusconi's and Sarkozy's......

OK OK that says a lot about male ego.....

But it is a fact.

And perhaps (..?..) it is a fact in different cultures too.

Since Europeans are generally taller then Thai, that would strongly reduce the number of thai male - european female relationships.

In Europe you will seldom see a more educated woman with a lesser educated man.

While the other way around is not uncommon.

Remember who was Hemingway's gf....

If (...if...) the same applies to other cultures, we would have a second, simple explaination.

I am not judging, only stating common sociological theories.

And of course, there are many more factors and explainations.

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The fact that Thai men and Farang women generally don't find each other physically attractive is probably the biggest reason why they are not so many of those relationships.

Farang men and Thai women DO find each other physically attractive and that is why there are so many of those relationships.

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ID: 55   Posted · Hidden by Lite Beer, January 20, 2011 - Moderation

Could the answer (at least partly) be very simple?

In Europe you will almost never see a taller woman having a relation with a shorter guy.

OK OK there are the Berlusconi's and Sarkozy's......

OK OK that says a lot about male ego.....

But it is a fact.

And perhaps (..?..) it is a fact in different cultures too.

Since Europeans are generally taller then Thai, that would strongly reduce the number of thai male - european female relationships.

In Europe you will seldom see a more educated woman with a lesser educated man.

While the other way around is not uncommon.

Remember who was Hemingway's gf....

If (...if...) the same applies to other cultures, we would have a second, simple explaination.

I am not judging, only stating common sociological theories.

And of course, there are many more factors and explainations.

I am not sure I understand moderation here

My post is removed because I say I am bigger than most thai men and this post get to stay ???

Why can't I say I am taller than most thai guys ?

Post completely irrelevant about gogo bars whereas I am talking relationships are welcomed ??

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I think the obvious answer is that most farang women aren't desperate for a shag. Unlike most farang guys. The oines that are tend to a bit rough and so take the first Thai bloke who makes a move on them, the sensible ones dont. ( So from that perspective, the same as farang guys.)

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The fact that Thai men and Farang women generally don't find each other physically attractive is probably the biggest reason why they are not so many of those relationships.

Farang men and Thai women DO find each other physically attractive and that is why there are so many of those relationships.

Probably a lot of truth in that - but the question then is: Why?

Other examples:

European men are attracted to polynesian women, european women are not attracted to polynesian men.

European women are attracted to turkish men, european men are not attracted to turkish women.

Generalizing, i know, but i saw what i saw!

Why? Any thoughts?

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The fact that Thai men and Farang women generally don't find each other physically attractive is probably the biggest reason why they are not so many of those relationships.

fact?

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^ As there are a number of teachers posting here, I'm sure a lot of us (me included) could benefit to have a few basic words explained and more specifically it seems what is the difference between all, most and some, and fact, opinion, bias and prejudice.

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The fact that Thai men and Farang women generally don't find each other physically attractive is probably the biggest reason why they are not so many of those relationships.

Farang men and Thai women DO find each other physically attractive and that is why there are so many of those relationships.

Probably a lot of truth in that - but the question then is: Why?

Other examples:

European men are attracted to polynesian women, european women are not attracted to polynesian men.

European women are attracted to turkish men, european men are not attracted to turkish women.

Generalizing, i know, but i saw what i saw!

Why? Any thoughts?

As I said, fact, opinion, bias and prejudice ....

And total B.S. !!!!

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The girls are obviously smarter than the old guys that take up the the hookers errr hostesses.

I think GK hit it. Smarter, more selective.

Huh, what?! It's 100% the same as with Western men; Western women tend to go for, you know the type, beach boys, trekking guides, 'artistic' but otherwise broke, musicians, hustlers.. Same low class demographic.

And as a result the women experience 100% the same issues as Western men do.

Yes this is a generalization. Yes there are MANY exceptions. Yes this too is the same as for Western men, where a minority also does better for themselves.

Tell me, when was the last time anyone met a Western woman who has been happily living in Thailand for 10 years or so, and married to a Thai with a decent corporate career?

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The fact that Thai men and Farang women generally don't find each other physically attractive is probably the biggest reason why they are not so many of those relationships.

Farang men and Thai women DO find each other physically attractive and that is why there are so many of those relationships.

Probably a lot of truth in that - but the question then is: Why?

Other examples:

European men are attracted to polynesian women, european women are not attracted to polynesian men.

European women are attracted to turkish men, european men are not attracted to turkish women.

Generalizing, i know, but i saw what i saw!

Why? Any thoughts?

As I said, fact, opinion, bias and prejudice ....

And total B.S. !!!!

And total B.S. !!!!! ???????

This is a forum, not a bar.

But of course, that is only my humble opinion.

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Tell me, when was the last time anyone met a Western woman who has been happily living in Thailand for 10 years or so, and married to a Thai with a decent corporate career?

You just described some of my friends. If you run in the right circles you tend to meet them more often.

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The fact that Thai men and Farang women generally don't find each other physically attractive is probably the biggest reason why they are not so many of those relationships.

Farang men and Thai women DO find each other physically attractive and that is why there are so many of those relationships.

I am not sure in what circles you run, but in my experience, Thai men find western women very attractive. I recently took a trip with three Thai men to Austria, Germany, and the Czech Republic, and the three guys almost broke their necks swiveling so much to watch the women walk by. And I went to school with a fairly large contingent of Thais, and the men all seem to like western women--at least all the "guy talk" was centered on them.

Given that the majority of Thai men like slender women, I think the vast majority would find slender and middling western women extremely attractive. One Thai student I know rather loved American women, but he liked them on the large size with more curves (as do many western men, for that matter.)

I don't really know if western women are particularly attracted to Thai men on a purely physical standpoint. I have not had that conversation with western women before. But I know for a fact that many Thai men find western women very attractive from a physical standpoint.

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Farang men and Thai women DO find each other physically attractive and that is why there are so many of those relationships.

You can't be serious. Yes, farang men do find Thai women physically attractive--that I can believe. But the other way around? Unless you mean Thai women find farang men financially attractive. Have you seen some of these guys?

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The simple explanation is that Farang women have much higher standards than Farang men. This is not a slight against Farang men because part of it is biological. Simply put:

Farang men will date Thai women who speaks little to almost no English. Farang women would not date Thai men whom they can't communicate with fluently.

Farang men will date dirt poor Thai women with little to no prospects. Farang women would prefer someone of the same socioeconomic background or higher.

Farang men will date uneducated Thai women. Farang women prefer someone of the same educational background or higher.

Farang men seem to date pretty much any Thai woman who's younger, regardless of how attractive she is (attractive in the Thai sense). Farang women will prefer a guy around her age or slightly older who's relatively attractive.

The kinds of Thai men, therefore, that Farang women are looking for are successful, attractive, English-speaking/western educated, intelligent, and closer to in age, i.e., top notch Thai men. The bad news for Farang women is that these Thai guys are in high demand amongst the best and brightest (read hottest) Thai women in Thailand. Unless the guy has a serious farang-fetish, you're going to be hardpressed to land the top tier guys. They simply have too much to choose from.

Your post will be much more accurate if you add "Some" before "Farang men"

It's a generalization, and a fairly accurate one I might add. Now if I had the word "All" before "Farang men," then I'd see your point.

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I was 22 or so living in and around Thailand from 1968 to 1970 (50,000 plus Americans in Thailand at the time). The rich/high status American/European guys went out with American/European women. The guys like me went out with Thai women. I dated a school teacher who's father was a University professor. I tried to date the American women but they wouldn't give me a second look. It was like I was an insect or something not worthy of talking to. The American women were clerical or medical personnel not particularly well educated. I had a BA and most of a masters finished at the time. I also had money. But I was a NCO in the Army. My non field grade officer status finished any chance I might have had to date an American woman.

I'm not talking about anyone else only me. In 1968 I never saw an American/European woman date a Thai man regardless of his status.

This situation created a couple of conditions in my young life at the time. I talked to a lot of Thai women and found out that the stereotype at the time among soldiers was not correct. They were nice ladies. I didn't talk to any American/European women because they wouldn't talk to me. And this created a lifelong impression too.

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Tell me, when was the last time anyone met a Western woman who has been happily living in Thailand for 10 years or so, and married to a Thai with a decent corporate career?

You just described some of my friends. If you run in the right circles you tend to meet them more often.

555 I was totally not expecting someone to come up with an exception. :) Note that I already mentioned that any generalization or stereotype will have many exceptions. Just like not every Farang male marries a bargirl or other person from lower class background.

I was at a totally mainstream lunch restaurant in a non-tourist area in Chiang Mai last weekend, and for some reason there were quite a few Western-female-Thai-male couples there. Quite a few with children.

Afterwards, my wife asked: Why is it that Farang women like hilltribe people and reggae types?

Again, that is a generalisation. I am *certain* that somewhere there exists a Farang woman who married a bank manager. I'm not seeing that as a trend yet, though.

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Western women are more worried about being called a looser than western men, when they cannot have a relationship with a western man. HOHO

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ID: 70   Posted · Hidden by cdnvic, January 20, 2011 - flame

I think the obvious answer is that most farang women aren't desperate for a shag. Unlike most farang guys. The oines that are tend to a bit rough and so take the first Thai bloke who makes a move on them, the sensible ones dont. ( So from that perspective, the same as farang guys.)

'A bit of rough'? You rascist pig. For you information, the 'bits of rough' are you overweight/droided up big mouthed ignorant shts who come over here blinded by the fact that a Thai bar girl, ANY Thai bar girl will take you (puke) and the farang women are much more picky. Diktet.

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Western women are more worried about being called a looser than western men, when they cannot have a relationship with a western man. HOHO

You're bloody kidding, RIGHT?

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I used to think it was tied to latent racist stereotypes, that for many Caucasians, who were at the top of the socio-economic scale, it was considered marrying "under" their station to marry someone of another race. As men were expected to be the breadwinners it was less important for them to marry at or above their station, and they would have less trouble finding acceptance than a woman who did the same.

Now, if you look at North America though, it's clear that the above isn't the case because it's almost as uncommon to see a Black woman with a Caucasian man as it is to see an Asian man with a Caucasian woman, yet statistically Asian men tend to be much more affluent. Things are changing, but it's far from being balanced.

I'm guessing that while modern western women are determined to take an equal place in the relationship, that many of them still want a man that's confident, and able to handle himself, and Asian men by and large tend to be rather reserved, just as a Caucasian man would seem to many Black women. There are exceptions for sure, but if this personality mis-match is even partly true it could explain a lot.

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Actually, years ago when my husband and I first married and went to the US we found the typical redneck ignorant types to have just the attitude that white women shouldn't be with a brown man. sullying the purity of the race perhaps. Fortunately for me, I do not know people like that and don't give a toss what some ignorant fool thinks anyway so just ignored their rude behavior to us.

The idea that Thai men aren't successful and won't marry a farang just goes to show that people who think that don't really know anything beyond their own little circle and prejudices. Its no different than the prejudices that people have against Thai women and western guys. Pity that.

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Actually, years ago when my husband and I first married and went to the US we found the typical redneck ignorant types to have just the attitude that white women shouldn't be with a brown man. sullying the purity of the race perhaps. Fortunately for me, I do not know people like that and don't give a toss what some ignorant fool thinks anyway so just ignored their rude behavior to us.

The idea that Thai men aren't successful and won't marry a farang just goes to show that people who think that don't really know anything beyond their own little circle and prejudices. Its no different than the prejudices that people have against Thai women and western guys. Pity that.

Whilst I agree with your comments about the rednecks, the end of your post is ludicrous.

Western women marry for love 99% of the time (IMO). Those of us who have been here for a few years realise that Thai women have a different priority.

To blame this on people having "prejudices" or "people who... don't really know anything beyond their own little circle" is clearly ridiculous.

Your final comment "the prejudices that people have against Thai women and western guys. Pity that." is even more laughable.

Yes, some people need to be pitied, but its not those to whom you refer....

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Um, yes I agree with your final sentence but unlike you, I know many Thai women with western husbands who are NOT marrying for money. In fact, some are far wealthier than their husbands.

But regardless, this thread is NOT about that particular prejudice, is it and perhaps its best to not hijack it.

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