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[leebeeUK]

Straight8, on 2011-01-20 10:11:08, said:

supaprik, on 2011-01-20 10:05:04, said:

Rees and Williams are to be commended, it;s high time someone STOOD UP and put their money where their mouths are, I congratulate both gentlemen, regardless of the legal outcome you 2 gentlemen are at least attempting to right a terrible wrong, you have my heart felt best wishes for success..

Let this be a reminder to all and sundry, we are not like, welcomed, or wanted here. It doesn't get any clearer.

Just so so sad.

Are there any words to describe something as this?

I take it you're packing your bags as I type this reply then? This case, of course, deserves to be judged on its own merits and good luck to those trying to right a wrong. However, lots of us here have some great Thai (and whatever other nationality) friends here so to use this as definitive 'proof' that 'we' are 'not liked, welcomed nor wanted' here is actually just expressing your own personal opinion only and should not be stated as a 'See, so there you have it!' (my) one-opinion-fits-all decree. Hence, I bid you farewell, and if you are actually staying, with all due respect.. er, why, if this is your feeling about the place and its people?

Edited by leebeeUK, 2011-01-20 12:05:37.

[maxman71]

One more reason I refuse to marry again. If I ever do want to marry again, I'll just find a woman I don't like and give her a house. Marriage these days is just too risky, as this story underscores.

[garrfeild]

Straight8, on 2011-01-20 10:11:08, said:

supaprik, on 2011-01-20 10:05:04, said:

Rees and Williams are to be commended, it;s high time someone STOOD UP and put their money where their mouths are, I congratulate both gentlemen, regardless of the legal outcome you 2 gentlemen are at least attempting to right a terrible wrong, you have my heart felt best wishes for success..

Let this be a reminder to all and sundry, we are not like, welcomed, or wanted here. It doesn't get any clearer.

Just so so sad.

Are there any words to describe something as this?

You Speak for yourself straight8, If you feel like that, then go back from where you came.

Edited by garrfeild, 2011-01-20 12:07:11.

[pacovl46]

at least they try and do something about it. it's better than doing nothing!!! good luck to u guys!!!

[bangkokcitylimits]

Where to apply for this job ?  

[atyclb]

Beetlejuice, on 2011-01-20 10:32:04, said:

This is beyond belief.

    I presently know of 3 Thai wives that are having affairs and even though we have informed the husbands, the husbands are reluctant to accept it and still burning the candle for them.

    I guess that the wife feared her husband was going to leave his daughter and perhaps some others in his will and that she would lose out and not receive 100% of his estate.

    What is it that attracts the guys to these evil gold digging whores like a magnet? Is it lust, companionship, having a trophy wife or what?

    Not only will the friends of the husband require a truck load of cash but also need to come up with some hard evidence against this woman to produce to the court where obviously the police haven't bothered and have either deliberately mislaid any evidence they have or will refuse to release it. This is where the case against the wife may fail. In over words, the friends will have to become they're own detectives and gather all the evidence possible prior to committing this case to court.

  I know what I would do to obtain justice, which I cannot quote on here, that would be a much more effective way to use the £11000.

Trophy wife???   Really???  Look at her photo.  I will not get specifically derogatory since I dont want this post deleted.

Factually there is criminality in the entertainment scene. Pattaya attracts people that have a specific goal. The goal is to find a farang and get his money. They actively conspire, plan, deceive, whatever, to cash in. Typically the conspirators are low lives from the bottom of society.

Some on this forum say that this can and does happen in developed countries also. Yes it does, but in a place like Pattaya there is a concentrated and targeted focus on the specific farang population, and the risk of becoming a victim significantly greater.

IMO, it is certainly not worth dying for to be with the woman in the photo. Perhaps there are things worth dying for (google martin luther king and ghandi quotes) but again, not for any service woman in thailand.

[thaigold]

How sad. I certainly hope his assets are not in Thailand. If this she-devil is truly guilty, then hopefully she will receive the type of Thai justice that obviates any burden on the court system

[Bruno1982]

Does this sort of thing tend to just happen with all farang and thai women relationships, just if they're married or just uneducated or poor thai women?

After reading so many reports it does put me off having even a relationship with a thai girl!! but surely you cannot generalize?

How can you tell or see for tell tale signs that something horrible like this could potentially happen?

Thanks in advance.

[Tropicalevo]

asiawatcher, on 2011-01-20 09:53:20, said:

Good luck but I think you are wasting your money - this is not an OJ Simpson deal - this is Thailand and Farang against Thai 'systems' won't work.

I am sure that statistically you are correct, but please do not assume that "Thai systems won't work".

Some years ago I was personally involved in a number of court cases after a friend of mine was murdered. The Thai police were less than helpful, but I had some good results from the Thai legal system. It is all about finding a good lawyer who does not give up. They do exist. The lawyer and I both had death threats against us, but we are both still here today.

Thai systems do work - it's all about the people.

Good luck to the people in the article - and be very careful in Hua Hin. I had problems finding a good lawyer there. After being ripped off twice, I finally found a good one in Bangkok

[Robroy]

It would be nice to see both Thai & Western newspapers examining this long series of murders of Western men by their Thai wives.

I have been hearing stories like this (& occasionally meeting future victims) since my first month in Thailand in 2004.

If Western newspapers took the lead, the Thai government & police may be persuaded to take these matters seriously.

[atyclb]

Bruno1982, on 2011-01-20 12:41:15, said:

Does this sort of thing tend to just happen with all farang and thai women relationships, just if they're married or just uneducated or poor thai women?

After reading so many reports it does put me off having even a relationship with a thai girl!! but surely you cannot generalize?

How can you tell or see for tell tale signs that something horrible like this could potentially happen?

Thanks in advance.

Get a prenuptial agreement that give control of the assets/estate to a third party. A person you know and trust.  If the potential wife knows she has nothing to gain from your death and still marries you it is better reassurance.

[Darkman]

Best of luck to Peter and David. Hope you can make something happen.

[Tropicalevo]

Bruno1982, on 2011-01-20 12:41:15, said:

Does this sort of thing tend to just happen with all farang and thai women relationships, just if they're married or just uneducated or poor thai women?

After reading so many reports it does put me off having even a relationship with a thai girl!! but surely you cannot generalize?

How can you tell or see for tell tale signs that something horrible like this could potentially happen?

Thanks in advance.

There are loads of solid farang/Thai relationships. Unfortunately they do not make headline news.

Married, poor, uneducated or whatever makes no difference. It is all about the person.

Men get scammed and ripped off by their wives and girlfriends in EVERY country. My first wife - a farang - took me to the cleaners big time. Luckily I lived in a country where she was more afraid of the police and in spite of attacking me on a number of occasions, I survived and moved to Thailand. It never made the papers, and it didn't become a topic of conversation in the bars!

Do not prejudge people or believe everything that you read.

Life is a lottery. Take your time and enjoy it  

Edited by Tropicalevo, 2011-01-20 13:10:19.

[Maverell]

DoctorG, on 2011-01-20 10:30:58, said:

News of this sort just re-enforces my belief in not getting married. Don't know why some of you bother anyway.

I am 100 per cent with you on this one.
We have  all heard many, many stories of the farang  marrying  a Thai girl then dozens of people come out of the woodwork and demand a share of what you have or haven't got. Then when you don't play ball, or do play ball then run out of money, everything changes....

I am  so cynical its beyond belief.

[Arkady]

I wish Rees and Williams luck in their civil prosecution but they will need a lot more than 11,000 sterling to have a chance and they are now at serious personal risk.

As a general point all the Thai women who murder their farang husbands for money seem to have met their husbands while working as prostitutes. To be fair to the majority of Thai women who are not and never have been prostitutes I think it is necessary to consider what the statistics might look like in other corrupt third world countries where foreigners are in the habit of marrying local prostitutes, or even if this were a common practice in the West. Any amorous relationship that starts out as a financial transaction is extremely unlikely to be entered into with sincerity by the beneficiary of the financial transaction or to go well over the longer term.

Of course there are whores with genuine hearts of gold but not many and those precious few are unlikely to fall head over heals in love with an elderly foreigner pensioner with whom they have nothing in common and with whom they can barely communicate. On the contrary, having access to an old foreign geezer's cash makes these wives, who are usually well past first flush of youth and never were very pretty anyway, suddenly attractive to young gold digging Thai males who append themselves to the chain of feigned love like bloodsucking ticks by demanding more and more money for their affections and favours.  The women experience the same emotions, finding what they believe may be love, having previously thought with some insight that they were on the shelf.

If you chose to have a relationship with a prostitute or former prostitute, at least don't register a legal marriage and, if you decide to include her in your will, add a clause that clearly disinherits her in the event you die in suspicious circumstances in which there is the faintest suspicion of her involvement.  If she was available for commercial sex, don't try to rationalize things by redefining what your Thai partner was doing when you met as something other than prostitution. There are so many jobs in Thailand that they have to import 2 million foreign workers. She chose that course and whore is a whore.

Edited by Arkady, 2011-01-20 13:20:27.

[BOBBYTIN]

oldsailor35, on 2011-01-20 10:51:00, said:

marc11864, on 2011-01-20 10:07:58, said:

There are other ways to get justice.

Sure are ..............time for a couple of shooters i would say.

then we become as bad as them.surely she is not living in the same area.that would be silly.i suppose you could not tell anyone anyway.

[DP25]

Beetlejuice, on 2011-01-20 10:32:04, said:

    What is it that attracts the guys to these evil gold digging whores like a magnet? Is it lust, companionship, having a trophy wife or what?

Does the woman in the photo in the OP look like a trophy wife to you?  

[marstop]

visions, on 2011-01-20 10:45:58, said:

I wish the 2 guys luck, but really putting their own lives in danger.
The most likely outcome from these two guys actions will be 2 more unsolvable Farang murders.
The only way to enjoy life in Thailand is to keep your head down and out of the limelight.


I cannot fathom why any guy with enough clues to accumulate a reasonable nest egg,  would not have the brains to keep it separate to any Thai union/marriage.  There are so many cases similar to this, why dont the guys think with their brains.

I tend to agree with the post above...best step is not get married to start with.    Play them at their own game.
Surely most guys now know, in the Thai dictionary "Love" is spelt M O N E Y

before I "cash in" and move to BKK with Thai GF, I am going to have this short post tattooed on my forehead (in reverse) so I can read every morning in mirror when I shave....just as a reality check! Thank you!

[w11guy]

Seems like you are all assuming this woman is guilty, even without knowing the evidence. If you think Thai justice is bad, then you lot are even worse. You would have people locked up just because they are poor. All the evidence you need is that she is poor and her husband was rich. You lot are shocking. This woman may have arranged the murder of her husband, but it could also be her boyfriend who did it without her knowledge. You lot are too quick to jump to conclusions.

If you don't like it here and keep saying how bad it is, then please go home. Stop whinging and complaining all the time. If many Thais don't like you, it's got nothing to do with you being farang, but has everything to do with your appalling attitude. Even I don't like most of you.

[F4UCorsair]

Straight8, on 2011-01-20 10:11:08, said:

supaprik, on 2011-01-20 10:05:04, said:

Rees and Williams are to be commended, it;s high time someone STOOD UP and put their money where their mouths are, I congratulate both gentlemen, regardless of the legal outcome you 2 gentlemen are at least attempting to right a terrible wrong, you have my heart felt best wishes for success..

Let this be a reminder to all and sundry, we are not like, welcomed, or wanted here. It doesn't get any clearer.

Just so so sad.

Are there any words to describe something as this?

I think it's more a case of a 68 year old man marrying a 38 year old woman.  Seriously, what does a 38 yo woman want with a 68 yo man, if it's not his money?  

This is a very sad story and I also wish his friends luck with their pursuit of justice for the victim.

[RedQualia]

Sonkind, on 2011-01-20 12:02:17, said:

princejohnjay, on 2011-01-20 10:57:16, said:

Get this thieves behind bars for the rest of their miserable lives.


Thai women are very dangerous and pretentious…..Beware!!!

"SOME Thai women are very dangerous and pretentious…..Beware!!!"

Fixed that for you.

Indeed, and thank you for that. The paintbrush in use here seems rather broad.

Just as not every farang is a child molester or thoughtless former  construction worker advertising too much money, so too, not ever Thai  family is a pack of thieving murderers waiting to marry and kill foreign  men (or women).

[Cnxforever]

supaprik, on 2011-01-20 10:05:04, said:

Rees and Williams are to be commended, it;s high time someone STOOD UP and put their money where their mouths are, I congratulate both gentlemen, regardless of the legal outcome you 2 gentlemen are at least attempting to right a terrible wrong, you have my heart felt best wishes for success..

I could not agree more with you! I also wish these two gentleman all the luck in the world to succeed. There should be more like them around here!

It is obvious that the money involved is helping the murderers to stay out of jail  - for now. Only a public campaign and lots of publicity in both foreign and Thai media will change this - once the iron gets to hot for the corrupt officials involved - they will drop it.

I hope the scumbags who murdered a dying man will rot - first in jail and later in hell!

[Beetlejuice]

markt7081, on 2011-01-20 10:54:15, said:

So what is the British government doing about it?
Surely some political pressure would be effective?

  When we move abroad we be on our own and not to expect the cavalry to arrive when problems arise.

    It`s completely down to us to protect our own interests, use savvy and be sensible.

    Number one, don’t play the lovelorn pitiful gullible fool. In some cases showing pity can be viewed as a form of weakness, a mug there to be had.

    Trust no one; don’t believe all the crap that some people tell you.

    Does anyone remember the traffic green cross code man? They should have a version for living in Thailand. Look right, left, and right again and listen for bullshit as well. This is because you can often suss out BS before it happens.

  Now, would I lie to you?

[pogal]

marc11864, on 2011-01-20 10:07:58, said:

There are other ways to get justice.

Yes, agreed, and would cost MUCH less than 11,000 pounds:)

[Screws]

jcartermad, on 2011-01-20 10:55:32, said:

The real question here is not that the guy was murdered. Not that the wife walked free. Not that the Thai Police failed to charge this women who appears as "guilty as sin" is WHAT THE HELL IS THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT doing about it.

Surely if a citizen is murdered then the Brit Government should knock on every door until the women is dragged screaming to jail...assuming her guilt of course!

They are many cases where public opinion was so loud that the government acted. I remember a young women murdered in Kenya and her father never let up for year upon year and created so PR that the government had to act. The same applied to a girl murdered in India...her mother never let go once until the Indian Police acted. This after they dismissed the initial case as drowning!

In Britain you can opt for a croners inquest in the UK even if the murder took place abroad. If the coroner decides it was murder and the evidence points to the wife then the UK Police MUST get involved and liaise with the Thai Police. I suggest that the two very nice guys use their money banging on British doors / inquests / MP's / News Channels etc until the UK government must act and look after their citizens. Just because he is dead does not mean he is forgotten! Shame on the UK government for their white wash. Get of their backsides, (UK POlice & Government) and help these very respectable and well intentioned friends.

Just my thoughts guys. I dont want a debate...I just want to state my views.

Regards - John.

Excellent advice John. Won't bring him back, but might just reduce the chance of it happening in the future -