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Posted 2005-09-26 18:23:15
Just wondering, does anyone know about typical wages/salaries in LOS? We find it a useful gauge, eg. in Mexico, when negotiating prices, when considering an appropriate expenditure for gifts, etc.
What would be typical earnings per hour or day or week or month for:
domestic worker (hotel maids at 3*+ BKK)
bank worker, low level (eg. teller)
bank worker with college degree
Thai school teacher
Farang English teacher
waitress in high-end hotel restaurant
hotel check in / front desk clerk
taxi driver (inlcude tips, minus expenses?)
motorcycle taxi driver (expenses?)
busy street food-stand vendor (net after expenses)
shopping mall food or drink stand person (employee)
shop employee, high-end mall shop employee
I have found info on the net about minimum wages, it looks like it is about $4.50USD per day. Also forum search results showed Farang min wage for Americans ~60,000/month.
I would like to get a grasp of the economics of the typical people I come into contact with as a visitor. Any idea of the percentages of people who fall into lower/middle/upper classes?
Information on any of the above would be useful in filling in the picture, thanks!
Posted 2005-09-26 18:27:58
You should have done a more thorough search. Why in the world you want to know the salary of everyone that you might see in a week could only serve one purpose - you want to compare yourself to them. Unbelieveable! The US publishes "The Statistical Abstract of the United States" annually, that breaks down pay/salary/benefits to the nth degree. Thailand does the same. Now, it's up to you to find the English version.
Posted 2005-09-26 18:33:24
I hve no idea about all carreer you want to know... it depends on many conditions
anyhow this is Min. Wage Rage from The Ministry of Labour
Minimum Wage Rate since 1 August 2005 (depends on area)
181 Bangkok, Nonthaburi, Nakornpratom, Pratumthani, Samutprakarn and Samutsakorn
153 Chiangmai, Pang-nga, Ranong and Rayong
148 Kanchanaburi and Krabi
147 Prachaubkirikhan, Petchaburi, Ratchaburi and Samutsongcram
146 Chantaburi, Lopburi and Angthong
145 Chumporn, Trang, Trad, Prachinburi, Lumpoon, Srakaew, Singhaburi and Sukhothai
144 Kalasin, Khonkean, Burirum, Pattani, Yala, Loei, Songkha, Satoon and Udonthani
143 Kampaengpetch, Tak, Nakornsawan, Pattalung, Phitsanulok, Petchaboon, Lumpang, Suphanburi, Suratthani and Uttraradit
142 Chainat , Chaiyaphum, Chaingrai, Nakornpanom, Nakornsrithammarat , Mugdahan, Yasotorn, Roi-ed, Srisaket , Sakonnakorn, Nongkhai, Nongbualumpoo and Uthaithani
141 Nakornnayok, Pichit, Maehongsorn, Surin, Ubonratchatani and Amnatchareon
140 Nan, Payao, Phrae and Mahasaracram
Posted 2005-09-26 19:17:27
Correct me if I am wrong but your motive for asking this question appears to be so you can spend as little money as possible whilst you are here?
Posted 2005-09-26 19:46:56
Actually, I think they use something called the bart, or something like that...
Posted 2005-09-26 19:55:49
At first I thought 'Why on earth would you want to know what a skytrain cashier earned?' but now it's got me thinking maybe it's something I really should know for my next visit.
Posted 2005-09-26 20:23:41
Domestic hotel workers . . probably aroun 5000 a month, plus tips
low level bank worker - 7-8000
higher level . c12-15000
branch manager . . 25-35000
street copper . .I think I read it was around 9,000 (plus 90,000 in bribes)
thai school teacher . . depends on seniority but 15-25,000
english teacher . . . 25,000-40,000 (more for elite places)
waitress . . . 6-7000
hotel front office 8-12000
Office and clerical employees is too wide a range. I know office people earning as little as7-8000 a month. I have some people in my office earning 40,000. depends on their skill sets i guess.
Posted 2005-09-26 20:25:21
Hmmmm......... I think some of you are being a bit harsh about the OP's question (even if it does call for an extreme amount of detail). IMHO, it's useful and sobering to know something of what an "average" Thai earns - particularly when it's compared to what the average tourist pays out for hotels etc and what expats pay for rent etc.
For what it's worth, in Chiang Mai (Thailand's second city - admittedly much smaller than BKK), my information is that an average Thai worker would think they're doing pretty well to be making 10,000 baht a month - and I'd guesstimate that the figure would be maybe 20-25% higher in BKK.
Compare that to what you spend for a night in, say, a 4-star hotel. Just your bar or pool-side snack bill is almost certainly more than what the waiter/receptionist/driver makes in a day.
Posted 2005-09-26 21:07:19
Many of the staff would be paid less than the price of two bottles of Heineken for a day's work.
As an example in a small bar in northern Thailand the staff are paid between 100 and 150 baht for a 7 hour shift, plus tips, though the new employee was on 80 baht. The cook is paid 200 baht. Helps explain why many see prostitution as a tempting financial move.
Agricultural work: handpicking chillis - 10 baht a kilo.
Posted 2005-09-26 21:33:05
I agree and think it is an excellent question for any of us living in the LOS and wanting to know more about it's people and culture.
Here in Kalasin, one of the poorest provinces, per capita in Thailand, most people outside the major cities work as farm laborers or other jobs in the agricultural sector. They make about 100B to 150B /day depending on season. A skilled construction worker can make 200B to 250B /day. Other than a few wealthy merchants and politicians, teachers make the highest salaries. The range is from about 7000B to 30000B+, for beginners all the way to principals and all are required to have a college degree now. Most people consider themself lucky if they can go to Bangkok and make 7000B/mo. and they are expected to send money home. With a vocational degree, a person can go to a city (usually Bangkok) and make a little more, usually starting around 10000/mo. My wife has a brother who was lucky to land a job overseas in another Asian country where he will be making a whopping 22000/month, most of which will be sent home to repay loans for fees to get that job. So, all in all, life is tough here.
These are rough estimates, based on living here and watching people over the past four years. The cost of living is of course cheaper here than in BKK, but some things, such as a new car costs the roughly same no matter where you are in the world.
Edited by Bryan in Isaan, 2005-09-26 21:43:43.
Posted 2005-09-26 21:45:06
one of the salespeople in the shoe dept. at the emporium dept. store told me that they earn 3500b/ month. they also get commission on sales. 6 and sometimes 7 days a week , maybe one day off every month.
Posted 2005-09-27 00:36:59
talking about salaries is a very sensitive topic anywhere in the world. and it's all relative on how you look at things.
a couple of stories...
I lived in the philippines for a few months once. rented a 4 bedroom house for about 120 dollars a month. it wasn't as well-builted as many in the states, but for the price, I had no complaints.
one day, I was shooting the breeze with a couple of other expats comparing the salaries we were making when we were still working in the states. I mentioned that at my peak I was commanding xx dollars an hour. a mid-level hourly rate at the time for a network engineer.
anyway, one of the electricians working on our rented house came up to me saying that I must be a millionaire. I replied no. far from that. since he was in a chatting mood, I asked him how much he made an hour. he replied in a sad way saying that he earned about a dollar a day for a whole day's work.
upon hearing his story, I didn't want to discuss salaries anymore knowing that such discussion could be looked at in many ways by other people and could possibly result in a vicious confrontation due to misunderstandings.
on the other side of the coin...
I remember walking down this soi on sukhumvit when all of a sudden I saw this huge mansion that encompassed about 2 square blocks of space. man, it was big. anyway, I was curious as to who owned the place. so, I asked one of the food vendors that had a stall near the place. get this, his reply to my question was that the place was owned by a colonel in the military.
right off the bat, I said to myself. wow! those guys in the military must be getting paid a lot to be able to afford that place. .. a little later after thinking about it, I said to myself..... yeah. right.
Posted 2005-09-27 01:13:58
Wages are all relative.
I know a lot of people in the village that make between 100 and 150 Baht per day.
Strange that many seem to have a much happier life than many high earners I know in the Uk.
Baic wages unskilled about 3-5,000 Baht per month
Skilled, self employed 10,000 - 20,000
Village School teacher around 12,000
Village doctor 20-30,000
Illegal logger 20,000
Person who buys and distributes illegal timber 50,000 plus
University Grad 6-8,000
Motorbike taxi in Pattaya 10,000 plus
Edited by loong, 2005-09-27 01:14:54.
Posted 2005-09-27 05:27:56
Hmm. I guess so. I may be sorry that I looked at this thread, as prior to this I was thinking that 1,000 baht per month was a decent wage to pay a mostly full-time (6 hours per day 6 days per week) maid/cook outside of the metro areas. That was what I was paying two years ago. The maid was arranged by a Thai friend and the maid seemed very happy with the arrangement and the job (and we had interviewed several other potential employees, all of them knowing the salary). Of course it included meals that she was there for (even for her 12 yr old son who was often there for lunch on non-school days).
She was middle aged, not young and inexperienced and spoke a little English as she had worked for farangs before.
So she was happily working for the equivalent of 50 baht per 8 hour day (about 1,200/month) plus food and she was a good honest, hard working employee. Having been in India this wage did not surprise me. Also, a friend in Bkk was paying his full-time, live-in nanny/maid/cook 3,000 per month, so again, what I was paying seemed on par considering the difference between BKK and 20 km outside of CM. Have wages gone up significantly in the past 2 years or was I just in an unusual area?
Posted 2005-09-27 05:37:12
For avg worker - 4000-6000 BHT per month. Most dont make a lot I'm afraid.
Posted 2005-09-27 09:32:50
I agree - my own reply was a bit snotty, for which I apologise. I just get irritated by what I see as the parochial US attitude of converting everything to US$, but that is my problem, not the OP's.
Posted 2005-09-27 09:57:28
Thanks. I particularly like what it says at the end about giving them respect and making them feel welcome. I think that if you treat a person well and pay them to the best of your ability within an accepted framework then it will be a lasting and mutually enjoyable relationship.
I think finding any employee through some reference is the best way as there is then more of a connection there.
Posted 2005-09-27 10:18:06
I hope after seeing the wages of these workers, westerners will stop bitching about being supposedly underpaid. I'm watching y'all!!!
Posted 2005-09-27 14:18:45
A maid 20 Kms from Chiang Mai
I would have thought normal wage should be 2,500 pm for the hours you mention plus food.
Are you sure she wasn't from Burma?
There were quite a few Burmese illegals working in the building boom in Pattaya. From what I understand they were being paid about 80 Baht per day!
Posted 2005-09-27 14:37:08
My ex used to prmote beer on KhaoSan rd. Shje and her friends would make between 7-9K a month. Working 6 days a week. The other staff ie waiters make about 3500baht a month plus tips.Thai teachers at my school earn about 7000 baht the farang around 32K. The Thais work harderie tghey are at school longer but get paid less. My gf friends are casting director and make 60K + a month, The missus makes 30K plus. My mates wife worked for the government off and made 7K a month. So its different what evr you do. But basically the Thai salaries are shit. For me the majority of Thai are hard working but recieve a pittence.
Posted 2005-09-27 15:15:06
The question was a very good one. We foreigners need to know the facts about things like this, it is important part of the lives of the people around us.
I am a teacher in an international school, I pay a live-in maid/nanny about 12000 B per month. She is a hard and reliabler worker.
Posted 2005-09-27 15:37:31
If I understood a drunken conversation correctly an army major (or was it the captain?) was on a salary on 10,000 baht/month. Probably had 'other business interests' to support his lifestyle.
Thais don't seem to be as uptight as westerners when it comes to discussing income.
Posted 2005-09-27 16:16:30
I prefer to overpay my maid. She gets 4400 a month for coming three days a week, and working 4 hours each time. She cleans, washes, irons and does odds and sods.
In return for overpaying her, I know I can trust her implicitly, even to the point of giving her 20,000 the other week to go and pay a few bills which needed to be taken care of. She's a gem.
The idea of paying a maid 1000 a month as a previous poster did is, imho, bordering on taking the p**s. Just because you can get away with it doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. I couldn't live with myself if I ordered in a pizza a few beers and I gave the maid more than a month's salary to pay the delivery guy for a junk food binge. It just aint right.
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