"The suspect said he had to carry a gun to protect tourists."
Love that one.
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Japanese Tourist Shot Dead In Chiang Rai By Thai Tour Guide
Started by webfact, 2011-04-27 15:25
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Alexpho
Advanced Member Posted 2011-04-27 20:06:52
Ahhh Yes, that is why I am partying compfly in neighboring Laos. No drama so far for years.
#53
rich54321
Senior Member Posted 2011-04-27 20:11:58
A good marksman i feel - he shot both in the head and one in the back as well errrrrm! - a little hard to do if someone has drawn a weapon already and is shooting at you
very strange!!!!!! as usual on here! #54
remih06
Advanced Member Posted 2011-04-27 20:12:58
Amazing Thailand. The tourist is complaining a lot , so it is ok to shoot him. Shows the arrogance of Thais, that they think they can shoot someone and get away with it. However in this case, a bit of bad luck that the guy was Yakuza..... :-) My advice to this guy would be to shave his head, change his name, go to a far away temple, and become a monk for about 10 years. Also his family should do the same thing.......As Tokay said, this is not going to go down well for this guy.... So a bit of advice for other tour guides. If you see a Japanese tourist covered in tattoos, and if he is missing a little finger, be very polite to him..... Did you actually read the full article? 70% of the people posting negative feelings towards Thai's are too ignorant to even read the article!! #55
jdinasia
Leave my member out of it! Posted 2011-04-27 20:15:06
Very sad news about what has happened. The tour guide WAS a nice guy , I have known him a long time . Condolences to the Japanese Tourists and families .RIP. Right, nice enough to shoot a customer in the head due to complaining. What's the old saying, with friends like that, who needs enemies. I just love the creative license that the Thai media takes in cases like this. Of course the Thai tour guide turned himself in as he knows that sweet FA is going to happen to him. Which of course fails to take into account that if he thought that, he would have taken the $$ #56
tlang33
Newbie Posted 2011-04-27 20:15:40
it seems everybody is thinking that this tour guide was just an innocent tour guide.
but how many innocent tour guides carry guns and then shoot their customer? i'm not sure why more people don't come to the conclusion that this tour guide was hired/foced to take these fellas in the woods and dispose of their bodies. i just can't explain why he turned himself in. but i'm 100% sure this was no unfortunate coincidence. #57
BOS2BKK
Senior Member Posted 2011-04-27 20:24:08
A silly excuse for killing someone. But how can they prove the guy was yakuza? If you read the article first you would see it was reported to them by the Japanese Embassy. Anyone who thinks there is not ALOT more to this story than is reported is kidding themselves. If the tour guide and the BIB left behind 10K in cash, how much was there before??? And the dead tourist was wearing a holster? Come on. This is too fishy, even for Thailand. There is always the possibility this could be just what it is though too...Japanese men can be vile towards Thais, and Gangsters carrying guns to boot. I can see this guy pissing them off early, the whole situation going to hell and the Guide fearing for his life. I was once followed out of a bar, unbeknownst to my drunk ass, by a Russian mobster with a drawn gun. I offended him by dropping my beer bottle and it breaking on his shoes (I was pretty drunk) and seeing the bouncer headed my way I left before he had a chance to throw me out. Had I not walked out the door, and right into the next bar I may have wound up dead. I only found out about my brush with death when I arrived home a few hours later to find all my friends sitting vigil in our hotel, thinking I was face down in a dumpster somewhere. My point it this. Gangsters are gangsters. The mentality pervades regardless of culture. These people consider themselves above the law to begin with, and then they mistake the Thai "mai pen rai" attitude as a license to do as they please. #58
sydneyjed
Senior Member Posted 2011-04-27 20:38:35
Wasn't an earlier posting saying that the village they went to was a well known drug location...They certainly don't fit the picture of a normal tourist excursion day out to visit a hill tribe or in this case a mountain buddist temple?Something's happened to cause this and I don't think it's because he forgot to bring the packed lunch somehow!!
it seems everybody is thinking that this tour guide was just an innocent tour guide. but how many innocent tour guides carry guns and then shoot their customer? i'm not sure why more people don't come to the conclusion that this tour guide was hired/foced to take these fellas in the woods and dispose of their bodies. i just can't explain why he turned himself in. but i'm 100% sure this was no unfortunate coincidence. #59
prvtdetdave
Advanced Member Posted 2011-04-27 20:47:46
Gangsters? Guns? Cash? Golden Tri- angle?
Remember 10,000usd buys a huge amount of wholesale or direct from the manufacturer. High drug trafficking transport area ( Much like the Vietcong used ). Meaning many diifferent trials to move goods through dense jungle to evade and abate detection. #60
EyesWideOpen
Senior Member Posted 2011-04-27 20:48:59
Amazing Thailand. The tourist is complaining a lot , so it is ok to shoot him. Shows the arrogance of Thais, that they think they can shoot someone and get away with it. However in this case, a bit of bad luck that the guy was Yakuza..... :-) My advice to this guy would be to shave his head, change his name, go to a far away temple, and become a monk for about 10 years. Also his family should do the same thing.......As Tokay said, this is not going to go down well for this guy.... So a bit of advice for other tour guides. If you see a Japanese tourist covered in tattoos, and if he is missing a little finger, be very polite to him..... Did you actually read the full article? 70% of the people posting negative feelings towards Thai's are too ignorant to even read the article!! I am not really sure a high IQ is needed to read a newspaper article, but in fact I have read it. None it makes any sense at all, but the facts still remain. A Thai guide takes out two tourists, and now one is dead and one is wounded. And the reason given by the guide was that the tourists pissed him off. Hey maybe Thais really are the master race, if a simple Thai tour guide can take on two hardcore mobsters in a gun battle and win. Or the guide figured out they had a lot of money on them, shot them both in the back of head, and shot the dead one one more time in the face to make it look like a gun battle...Or.....Or..... Like ALL these stories, the truth will never be known. All we get is a poorly written account of the story in the newspaper, so then it is fun to try to fill in the blanks using deductive reasoning. Next month is will all be forgotten, and the new story will be a farang that killed himself in Pattaya by falling on his glass coffee table....But I suspect this story will not be forgotten by his associates in Japan. #61
atyclb
Senior Member Posted 2011-04-27 20:55:30
So the moral of the story is don't complain to your tour guide just smile and act like you are enjoying yourself. Complaint resolution Thai style. The Japanese guys got off easy, it could have been a jet ski operator..... #62
RaoulDuke
Advanced Member Posted 2011-04-27 20:57:57
Its funny how just about everyone on here chooses to be in Thailand, and most of them could easily go back to their own country or a number of other countries. But all they want to do is complain and moan and jump all over everything and everyone in Thailand. Geez, if you hate it so much...LEAVE! It is an entirely different culture, with different values, and the corruption is out in the open (as opposed to the countries where you come from, where the corruption is probably worse, but since it behind closed doors, no one seems to notice or care).
It would seem fairly obvious to anyone paying attention in the world that two high level drug gang members trekking through a remote area of the golden triangle are probably not after a picture of a temple or a monkey. And a 'tour guide' who is not only armed, but capable to taking down an armed Yakuza member is probably not the kind of guy who hangs around the airport in a tuk tuk. Sorry, but I have a hard time believing the 'tourist' was a really a victim of a psychotic tour guide with no patience and an itchy trigger finger. Regardless of if it was a hit, or just a reaction to a very heated situation with someone who was also armed, and may well have killed numerous people in his life for no good reason. Gang/mafia leaders are not well regarded for their patience and understanding when things don't go their way. #63
wlcart
Senior Member Posted 2011-04-27 21:04:35
So many experts, so little time.
No one knows what happen and probably never will. TiT. But, despite all the silly things that go on in Thailand overall I do not feel in danger here. Something crazy went on in this story. However, I can think of a long list of countries where one is more likely to get shot than in Thailand. Usually an argument with a Thai guy just ends in a Leo bottle being smashed over your head or his brother in law the cop arresting you. #64
Johpa
Curmudgeon Posted 2011-04-27 21:11:16
One word comes to mind... opium. Lots of it. Still listening to Journey, the Go Gos, Depeche Mode, and other stalwarts of the 1980s are we? #65
prvtdetdave
Advanced Member Posted 2011-04-27 21:21:50
I also believe the guide,
but I believe he knows more than what has been written here. He takes tourists into jungles for treks, He will knows there could be a chance encounter with small groups or a single trafficker (Meaning the person or people who may have been comming to meet the 2 Japanese men), hence the firearm. He knows these encounters do not always end in violence. An once of prevention is worth a pound of cure. A gun could save your life if things go bad. Traffickers don't want to kill a bunch of inoccent tourist and bring more heat onto themselves. Both guide and trafficker would like to conduct their business without incident. If there was about to be a transaction, do you think a Yakuza is going to leave a witness after the transaction? Especially if this guide was not known or used before by the Yakuza? I am a retired Criminal Investigator and this is all very plausible. Remember we do not have all the facts; nor any statements to draw any theory from. He (The Guide) also knows what the truth is and the Royal Thai Police will get the answers. As far as knowing if the alledged victim was a "Yakuza" leader or member? Those are facts easily obtained or known. I'll keep an open mind as good investigators should. #66
XXpate48USA
Senior Member Posted 2011-04-27 22:00:18
Nice one...he sure picked the wrong guy to murder. Was the guide registered? probably not and there are plenty more like him who buy an "official guide" badge and ID and set off on their merry ways to cause mayhem. What often amazes me with serious crime in Thailand is that the perpetrators don't give a thought to the years they will spend in a hell hole. Seems this is no deterrent for them. I suspect that the tour guide was starting to feel "loss of face" and bam bam. Japanese people are not so mai pai ren as Thai people. There is a good possibility this tour guide(legal or not) will not spend any jail time or very little . I am sure this was self delfense or suicide. Yes, that's it.,,...it was suicide. Hari kari!!......those japanese do that you know! #67
1219patrickm
Member Posted 2011-04-27 22:05:32
Amazing that the Japanese tourist's gun was still in the bag. Pretty cool how it go back there. Will ballistics show his gun was recently fired? Will he have gsr on his hands?
Never ever argue too much with a Thai. Most frequent travelers to the Kingdom have learned this quickly. End result the police will determine it was a dual suicide attempt and the one that lived will try to kill himself when he has another chance. #68
Suradit
Senior Member Posted 2011-04-27 22:16:06
What often amazes me with serious crime in Thailand is that the perpetrators don't give a thought to the years they will spend in a hell hole. Seems this is no deterrent for them. Whereas in other countries all the perpetrators weigh the consequences of their planned or impulsive crimes in a mature and thoughtful manner and logically reach the conclusion that life in prison or a death sentence is well worth the trouble?? What amazes me is that when anything happens in Thailand some people seem to think that the behaviour reported is unique to Thailand and found nowhere else on earth. No matter what the topic, posters at TV will manage to generalize some inexplicable failing of the entire Thai population. Apparently even hardened criminals or average people who allow themselves to be governed by their emotions are different in Thailand. If only serious criminals here could be like their splendid counterparts in Europe or America! But alas, TIT, hmmm? #69
XXpate48USA
Senior Member Posted 2011-04-27 22:16:51
"The suspect said he had to carry a gun to protect tourists." Love that one. Yes, that was good! I see the police have already started this thai man's defense stating that those darn japanese were bad underwold men.hah....There is no doubt in my mind what happened. The Tourist's were po-ed that the Japanese men were angry and giving him a hard time since they paid the man to be there are a certain time and the job was sloppy. Then loss of Face, then loss of lead! Some Thai people can be fiery expecially when confronted with lack of knowledge or lack of skills or lack of "truth" ! I know when I hire a tour guide I always quote to them my afiliations with Al capone from Chicago before we leave.!!...duhhhh....what a crock of noodles.....gangsters my butt....This guy will get off for sure.....heck, he lost face!....whatdya want anyway for defense?.....the toursits indusries is already dying a slow death with this kind of thing. The Japanese people are not too happy with Thailand anyway since that Japanese photographer newsman was gunned don last year during the red shirt "rally" riot...That gun "to protect the tourist's" didn't do too good of job this time. Those hill tribe people can be very muderous 
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TGM
Member Posted 2011-04-27 22:21:23
Its funny how just about everyone on here chooses to be in Thailand, and most of them could easily go back to their own country or a number of other countries. But all they want to do is complain and moan and jump all over everything and everyone in Thailand. Geez, if you hate it so much...LEAVE! It is an entirely different culture, with different values, and the corruption is out in the open (as opposed to the countries where you come from, where the corruption is probably worse, but since it behind closed doors, no one seems to notice or care). It would seem fairly obvious to anyone paying attention in the world that two high level drug gang members trekking through a remote area of the golden triangle are probably not after a picture of a temple or a monkey. And a 'tour guide' who is not only armed, but capable to taking down an armed Yakuza member is probably not the kind of guy who hangs around the airport in a tuk tuk. Sorry, but I have a hard time believing the 'tourist' was a really a victim of a psychotic tour guide with no patience and an itchy trigger finger. Regardless of if it was a hit, or just a reaction to a very heated situation with someone who was also armed, and may well have killed numerous people in his life for no good reason. Gang/mafia leaders are not well regarded for their patience and understanding when things don't go their way. THANK YOU!!! I rarely log in to put my few cents to the story because after reading some non-sense comments from farangs (or should I say foreigners?) I just don't see a point in trying anymore. I agree with you 100% and the funniest thing is you can bet on every news bit to have at least 2 comments saying "oh well here's a toast to thai tourism" or "another blow to thailands tourist sector" bla bla bla....you forget that crime in the kingdom has been going on for more than just the past few years or decades and you still see tourists coming and even yourselves! IF these people could only reflect and see what happens in their (respective?) country whether it be political backdoor dealings, "lobbying" or the downright criminal crap some teenagers today in Europe can produce, is worry-some but same as here, we live with it and then there are people brave enough trying to make a change for the better. Bitching about the country you happen to reside isn't going to get you any friends nor will it gain you any benefits for the most part at least....as for the "Guide" if seeking police custody as a safe refuge from the Jakuza, then his boss better get him out soon or it's on!! Whatever the kill might be, Im guessing it's drug related and if you remember the Thaksin days when he started the drug wars because his son was a cokehead with bunch of pictures to prove it. It was all over the news. So by gunning down thousands of slum dealers who are just tying to feed their families Thaksin successfully became a hero for it. When Amnesty Intl and UN human rights were on him for the 1000's of executions of untried dealers Thaksin simply said "UN is not my father" ...well anyone above this drug ladder was unharmed of course. Consequently the drug price went up on ya ba and other pills. Making some nice extra cash along the way for all but the dead. I'm sure Thaksin himself had made a sweet deal cashing in from the drug labs along the thai burmese border. #71
exbelg
Senior Member Posted 2011-04-27 22:39:40
wow, thailand has one sharpshooter to be able to shoot 2 people in the head... and one got also a bullet in the back ? how did that happen ?
smells seriously fishy... tour guide saw Jap tourist with money ... tried to kill both of them and rob them, would be more appropriate #72
EyesWideOpen
Senior Member Posted 2011-04-27 23:04:47
Its funny how just about everyone on here chooses to be in Thailand, and most of them could easily go back to their own country or a number of other countries. But all they want to do is complain and moan and jump all over everything and everyone in Thailand. Geez, if you hate it so much...LEAVE! It is an entirely different culture, with different values, and the corruption is out in the open (as opposed to the countries where you come from, where the corruption is probably worse, but since it behind closed doors, no one seems to notice or care). It would seem fairly obvious to anyone paying attention in the world that two high level drug gang members trekking through a remote area of the golden triangle are probably not after a picture of a temple or a monkey. And a 'tour guide' who is not only armed, but capable to taking down an armed Yakuza member is probably not the kind of guy who hangs around the airport in a tuk tuk. Sorry, but I have a hard time believing the 'tourist' was a really a victim of a psychotic tour guide with no patience and an itchy trigger finger. Regardless of if it was a hit, or just a reaction to a very heated situation with someone who was also armed, and may well have killed numerous people in his life for no good reason. Gang/mafia leaders are not well regarded for their patience and understanding when things don't go their way. Actually I really like it here. If you live here a long time, pretty soon news like this just falls under Amazing Thailand, and it becomes hard to ignore it. Sort of like the 800 pound gorilla standing in the room everyone is trying to ignore. You HAVE to see the weird humor of a guide getting mad at his customers and gunning them down. ( his story). You do right?? Or the endless jumpers in Pattaya, or the farangs found hanging with their hands behind them in handcuffs that are ruled suicide ?? The truth will never be known ,so it just becomes a matter of interest to speculate on what really occurred. And these stories can also be a form of education in how to go wrong here. Make no mistake, LOTS of farangs die here. I just want to make sure I am not one of them.. :-) #74
zorro1
Platinum Member Posted 2011-04-27 23:43:05
He shot some mafia, good for japs good for the world.
Whats the problem? #75
EyesWideOpen
Senior Member Posted 2011-04-27 23:48:39
rhiekel I think you might do better if you went back and read the OP and the link  I have read them both. I will say this one more time. There are the facts as we know them, and then there is the story of the guide about what happened. To have the police or anybody else imply that a major Japanese crime boss is wandering the jungle with packets of money to make a drug buy is so absurd as to boggle the imagination. That would be like saying a New York mafia boss is heading to the street corner to buy some crack......Please watch more mafia movies, drug buys are the job of the underlings, not the boss. I still say this was a robbery, and they guy shot in the back of the head should be your tip off....  |
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