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[Mobi]

Who's Graham? - I'm jealous

Patsy,this is good news. Just one request from this old soak. Please try at least 2 or 3 before you throw in the towel. Sometimes they have can have an off day.

Make it clear to whoever is in charge that you just want to sit and listen and not participate. They should respect your wishes.

Good luck

[Patsycat]

Thanks Mobi.

Well I went out today and had a wee drinky poo with a friend.  And we talked about the forthcoming Patsy going to AA.  My friend being an AA member himself.

So, I went to pay the bill in the rather lovely terrace with lots of vines and such, to discover that some pillock had nicked my wallet which had 120 swiss francs in it.

That is basically my money for the rest of this month.

Panic stations - get home and stop my card.

As i write, I am downing a drink.  I do not like robbers who take advantage of people like me who actually do not have cash to live on.

Shit day.  But when i got home i listened to a bit of Michael Buble so did a bit of sitting down dancing!!!

So, life is still good.

[RickThai]

Patsycat, on 2011-05-12 01:00:37, said:

Thanks Mobi.

Well I went out today and had a wee drinky poo with a friend.  And we talked about the forthcoming Patsy going to AA.  My friend being an AA member himself.

So, I went to pay the bill in the rather lovely terrace with lots of vines and such, to discover that some pillock had nicked my wallet which had 120 swiss francs in it.

That is basically my money for the rest of this month.

Panic stations - get home and stop my card.

As i write, I am downing a drink.  I do not like robbers who take advantage of people like me who actually do not have cash to live on.

Shit day.  But when i got home i listened to a bit of Michael Buble so did a bit of sitting down dancing!!!

So, life is still good.

Patsycat,

I am a little confused.  Why do you constantly post about drinking on a forum that is trying to help people with their drinking problems?  Seems kind of like trolling to me.  I  hope I'm wrong.  Too bad about getting ripped off.  May have been another drunk trying to help pay for their addiction.  If you sincerely want to stop drinking then I apologize for being skeptical, but it does seem strange to me.

Rick

[Patsycat]

I shall desist,

Mobi knows me from afar.

[GrahamF]

RickThai, on 2011-05-12 01:48:38, said:

Patsycat, on 2011-05-12 01:00:37, said:

Thanks Mobi.

Well I went out today and had a wee drinky poo with a friend.  And we talked about the forthcoming Patsy going to AA.  My friend being an AA member himself.

So, I went to pay the bill in the rather lovely terrace with lots of vines and such, to discover that some pillock had nicked my wallet which had 120 swiss francs in it.

That is basically my money for the rest of this month.

Panic stations - get home and stop my card.

As i write, I am downing a drink.  I do not like robbers who take advantage of people like me who actually do not have cash to live on.

Shit day.  But when i got home i listened to a bit of Michael Buble so did a bit of sitting down dancing!!!

So, life is still good.

Patsycat,

I am a little confused.  Why do you constantly post about drinking on a forum that is trying to help people with their drinking problems?  Seems kind of like trolling to me.  I  hope I'm wrong.  Too bad about getting ripped off.  May have been another drunk trying to help pay for their addiction.  If you sincerely want to stop drinking then I apologize for being skeptical, but it does seem strange to me.

Rick

Perhaps,someone posting about their drinking is a way of reaching out and taking the first steps to getting help, or maybe it isn't.  I don't know for sure, but I certainly wouldn't discourage anyone from posting on this forum. One thing I do know, is that whatever someone posts is not going to cause me to take that first drink, that's on me.

I also know Patsy from afar and I have no doubt that she is not a troll.  Please keep us updated on how things are going Patsy!

[Patsycat]

I am not a troll.  I have a problem with alcohol addiction which i am trying to control.

We started the DD thread a few years ago and i was the only female person there.  So was taken under.

I have made friends with a lot of people out there in the sillynet!!  

I'm very pretty and speak three languages, no kids one cat.

[Patsycat]

Sorry, I love a good giggle...

[Patsycat]

Mobi, on 2011-05-11 17:54:15, said:

Who's Graham? - I'm jealous

Patsy,this is good news. Just one request from this old soak. Please try at least 2 or 3 before you throw in the towel. Sometimes they have can have an off day.

Make it clear to whoever is in charge that you just want to sit and listen and not participate. They should respect your wishes.

Good luck

I shall do it.  It's about time for me to do it.

[Patsycat]

They even have ladies only meetings.  the only problem i have is meeting people that i know.

[Patsycat]

[Patsycat]

A song for you my friends...

[Patsycat]

One of these days i shall die

[GrahamF]

Patsycat, on 2011-05-12 03:55:43, said:

They even have ladies only meetings.  the only problem i have is meeting people that i know.

Remember, they are there for the same reason that you are.  Alcohol, the great leveler.  In my area, AA's are generally very conscious of others anonymity, I would hope it is the same where you are.  FYI, usually at the start of a meeting the chairperson may ask if there is anyone attending their first AA meeting, if you like you can raise your hand and introduce yourself or not.  I was scared shit_less at my first meeting, I had gotten out of detox that afternoon, and didn't know what to expect. With great trepidation I raised my hand and said "I'm Graham and I'm an alcoholic," funnily enough I found it to be very empowering to admit to a bunch of strangers that I am an alcoholic.  The group was totally welcoming and in fact changed the topic of the evening to early recovery.  Afterwards, a number of people approached me to give me encouragement, a meeting book, which I still have, asked if I needed rides to other meetings, etc.  Another thing I have discovered is that when I tell my non-AA friends that I am in AA and sober, even the ones that I was a jerk to when I was drinking, every one of them has been supportive and happy for me.

I agree with Mobi about giving a number of meetings a chance, sometimes they are good and sometimes not so much, I would also suggest that you try out different meetings as well.  I'm sure you'll find the right ones for you.    

[Mobi]

RickThai, on 2011-05-12 01:48:38, said:

Patsycat, on 2011-05-12 01:00:37, said:

Thanks Mobi.

Well I went out today and had a wee drinky poo with a friend.  And we talked about the forthcoming Patsy going to AA.  My friend being an AA member himself.

So, I went to pay the bill in the rather lovely terrace with lots of vines and such, to discover that some pillock had nicked my wallet which had 120 swiss francs in it.

That is basically my money for the rest of this month.

Panic stations - get home and stop my card.

As i write, I am downing a drink.  I do not like robbers who take advantage of people like me who actually do not have cash to live on.

Shit day.  But when i got home i listened to a bit of Michael Buble so did a bit of sitting down dancing!!!

So, life is still good.

Patsycat,

I am a little confused.  Why do you constantly post about drinking on a forum that is trying to help people with their drinking problems?  Seems kind of like trolling to me.  I  hope I'm wrong.  Too bad about getting ripped off.  May have been another drunk trying to help pay for their addiction.  If you sincerely want to stop drinking then I apologize for being skeptical, but it does seem strange to me.

Rick

Rick Thai, I am sorry but you are WAY out of line here!

You joined TV this year, have 40 odd  posts, and you come on here accusing someone who has been a TV member since 2005 and has chalked up well over 6,000 posts of being a troll.  

That is just plain BS.

I see absolutely nothing trollish in Patsy's posts. She is being honest about her drinking, as many have in the past in this forum - what would you have her do? lie?

If you're so concerned about upsetting the sensibilities of people who want to stop drinking, what about poor Patsy, who has had a drinking problems for years and to my complete surprise, has finally decided not only to write about it on an open forum but is also planning to try AA for the first time in her life.

Add to that the fact that she has just had her month's living money stolen, then all I can say is next time you want to criticise someone in a serious thread, then think carefully before doing so.

I think an apology from you is in order, and in the meantime, Patsy, as the OP on this thread, may I offer my own apologies for the unwarranted nonsense that was spouted by this guy. Ignore it.

[Mobi]

Patsycat, on 2011-05-12 01:57:52, said:

I shall desist,

Mobi knows me from afar.

There is nothing to desist from.

Your honesty, tinged with your quirky sense of humour are like a beacon of light in an otherwise dark and troubling world...

[Mobi]

GrahamF, on 2011-05-12 06:36:24, said:

I agree with Mobi about giving a number of meetings a chance, sometimes they are good and sometimes not so much, I would also suggest that you try out different meetings as well.  I'm sure you'll find the right ones for you.

Yes, there are ars_oles everywhere - even in these forums. Just learn to ignore them...

[Patsycat]

It's pissing down kittens and puppies here in sunny Geneva and I have to potter down to the bank to find cash!!  My only problem is the fact that I may get done over by the bus ticket mafia cos' I don't have the three francs for a ticket.

Looking through jeans pockets and winter jackets for some spare change.

Don't worry Mobi, this woman has very thick skin and can take abuse!!!

I wouldn't know how to troll if they paid me!!

Edited by Patsycat, 2011-05-12 16:38:56.

[Patsycat]

Every morning I watch the Jeremy Kyle show on ITV, and get great pleasure in the knowledge that there are people out there who have bigger problems than me!!!  And they are usually rather portly with bad tatoos!!

Oh, and today i found out that it is against the law in Switzerland to have only one cat!!!  I asked the question if a live cat and the ashes of a dead one count for two...  Still waiting a response with baited Whiskas breath!!!

[RickThai]

Mobi, on 2011-05-12 10:55:08, said:

RickThai, on 2011-05-12 01:48:38, said:

Patsycat, on 2011-05-12 01:00:37, said:

Thanks Mobi.

Well I went out today and had a wee drinky poo with a friend.  And we talked about the forthcoming Patsy going to AA.  My friend being an AA member himself.

So, I went to pay the bill in the rather lovely terrace with lots of vines and such, to discover that some pillock had nicked my wallet which had 120 swiss francs in it.

That is basically my money for the rest of this month.

Panic stations - get home and stop my card.

As i write, I am downing a drink.  I do not like robbers who take advantage of people like me who actually do not have cash to live on.

Shit day.  But when i got home i listened to a bit of Michael Buble so did a bit of sitting down dancing!!!

So, life is still good.

Patsycat,

I am a little confused.  Why do you constantly post about drinking on a forum that is trying to help people with their drinking problems?  Seems kind of like trolling to me.  I  hope I'm wrong.  Too bad about getting ripped off.  May have been another drunk trying to help pay for their addiction.  If you sincerely want to stop drinking then I apologize for being skeptical, but it does seem strange to me.

Rick

Rick Thai, I am sorry but you are WAY out of line here!

You joined TV this year, have 40 odd  posts, and you come on here accusing someone who has been a TV member since 2005 and has chalked up well over 6,000 posts of being a troll.  

That is just plain BS.

I see absolutely nothing trollish in Patsy's posts. She is being honest about her drinking, as many have in the past in this forum - what would you have her do? lie?

If you're so concerned about upsetting the sensibilities of people who want to stop drinking, what about poor Patsy, who has had a drinking problems for years and to my complete surprise, has finally decided not only to write about it on an open forum but is also planning to try AA for the first time in her life.

Add to that the fact that she has just had her month's living money stolen, then all I can say is next time you want to criticise someone in a serious thread, then think carefully before doing so.

I think an apology from you is in order, and in the meantime, Patsy, as the OP on this thread, may I offer my own apologies for the unwarranted nonsense that was spouted by this guy. Ignore it.

Mobi;

Perhaps you should read my post more thoroughly to wit:

"If you sincerely want to stop drinking then I apologize for being skeptical, but it does seem strange to me."  

Also I not sure about why the length of time a poster has been on the forum has to do with the content.  Perhaps that is her way of crying out for help.  I don't know.

My point was that by continually bringing up the many times she is drinking her wine or what not and indicating that "life is good", may not be that helpful to people trying to quit drinking or struggling to stay dry.  I, myself have many good memories of magical pairings of wine and food, or a relaxing drink at the end of a perfect day, but I honestly feel that any forum dedicated to help alcoholics is not really a place to continually  remind alcoholics of what they might be missing.  

In regards to Patsycat,  I certainly did not intend to disuade her or anyone else from posting on this forum.  I only ask a blessing for Patsycat and her quest for sobriety.

And as for your comment "Yes, there are ars_oles everywhere - even in these forums.", I assume you are referring to me.  Still I will end this post without any unkind thoughts of you and with the understanding that your feelings for Patsycat developed by years of on-line chatter would naturally make you protective.

Good luck to all in their efforts to stop drinking and stay sober!


Rick

[GrahamF]

[/quote]


My point was that by continually bringing up the many times she is drinking her wine or what not and indicating that "life is good", may not be that helpful to people trying to quit drinking or struggling to stay dry.  I, myself have many good memories of magical pairings of wine and food, or a relaxing drink at the end of a perfect day, but I honestly feel that any forum dedicated to help alcoholics is not really a place to continually  remind alcoholics of what they might be missing.  

[/quote]

When someone reminisces about the "good times" had when I drinking, I take it as an opportunity to remind myself of the bad times, which far outweigh the good times I had.  Like getting up first thing in the morning and having to have a drink so I could feel "normal" or maybe some of the crappy things I did when I was drunk or maybe the great things I missed out on in life because I was too bombed to leave my house.  It is very easy to forget the negative side of things, whether it's drinking or after breaking up with a significant other, etc, I feel that many of us tend to forget the negative stuff. Believe me, I do get where your coming from, about 10-11 years ago I gave up drinking for a little over a year on will power alone.  I white-knuckled it for that year and then fell into the classic trap of believing that I could now drink like a normal person.  I was wrong.  This time, when I hit my emotional bottom, I realized that I couldn't do it alone, that I needed help.  A close friend steered me to AA and I have to say that my sobriety now feels so much different than it did before.  I am happy and I really don't want to drink, unlike before.  I understand so much more about my alcoholism now and I have tools to deal with it now.  To paraphrase an AA saying, I guess I needed every last drink to get where I am today. As I've said before, my sobriety is dependent on me, not others actions or words.

If someone is white-knuckling it, then I would humbly suggest that they seriously look at their program of recovery, maybe they need to change something up.  I would suggest going to AA meetings and working the steps with a sponsor, but that is me.  For someone else it might be therapy or meditation, etc.

I really do wish all of you the best.  Patsy, keep on posting, you do make me giggle.

[Patsycat]

I didn't want to upset anyone

[Patsycat]

is white knukling when you go down a fast river?

I get toe cramps when my wee toes go all funny,  or the full leg cramps which enjoy the fact that you have to get out of bed and do a little dance.  Not so good if you have a cat attached to your thigh.

Edited by Patsycat, 2011-05-13 05:15:59.

[Mobi]

RickThai, on 2011-05-13 01:05:08, said:

Mobi, on 2011-05-12 10:55:08, said:

RickThai, on 2011-05-12 01:48:38, said:

Patsycat, on 2011-05-12 01:00:37, said:

Thanks Mobi.

Well I went out today and had a wee drinky poo with a friend.  And we talked about the forthcoming Patsy going to AA.  My friend being an AA member himself.

So, I went to pay the bill in the rather lovely terrace with lots of vines and such, to discover that some pillock had nicked my wallet which had 120 swiss francs in it.

That is basically my money for the rest of this month.

Panic stations - get home and stop my card.

As i write, I am downing a drink.  I do not like robbers who take advantage of people like me who actually do not have cash to live on.

Shit day.  But when i got home i listened to a bit of Michael Buble so did a bit of sitting down dancing!!!

So, life is still good.

Patsycat,

I am a little confused.  Why do you constantly post about drinking on a forum that is trying to help people with their drinking problems?  Seems kind of like trolling to me.  I  hope I'm wrong.  Too bad about getting ripped off.  May have been another drunk trying to help pay for their addiction.  If you sincerely want to stop drinking then I apologize for being skeptical, but it does seem strange to me.

Rick

Rick Thai, I am sorry but you are WAY out of line here!

You joined TV this year, have 40 odd  posts, and you come on here accusing someone who has been a TV member since 2005 and has chalked up well over 6,000 posts of being a troll.  

That is just plain BS.

I see absolutely nothing trollish in Patsy's posts. She is being honest about her drinking, as many have in the past in this forum - what would you have her do? lie?

If you're so concerned about upsetting the sensibilities of people who want to stop drinking, what about poor Patsy, who has had a drinking problems for years and to my complete surprise, has finally decided not only to write about it on an open forum but is also planning to try AA for the first time in her life.

Add to that the fact that she has just had her month's living money stolen, then all I can say is next time you want to criticise someone in a serious thread, then think carefully before doing so.

I think an apology from you is in order, and in the meantime, Patsy, as the OP on this thread, may I offer my own apologies for the unwarranted nonsense that was spouted by this guy. Ignore it.

Mobi;

Perhaps you should read my post more thoroughly to wit:

"If you sincerely want to stop drinking then I apologize for being skeptical, but it does seem strange to me."  

Also I not sure about why the length of time a poster has been on the forum has to do with the content.  Perhaps that is her way of crying out for help.  I don't know.

My point was that by continually bringing up the many times she is drinking her wine or what not and indicating that "life is good", may not be that helpful to people trying to quit drinking or struggling to stay dry.  I, myself have many good memories of magical pairings of wine and food, or a relaxing drink at the end of a perfect day, but I honestly feel that any forum dedicated to help alcoholics is not really a place to continually  remind alcoholics of what they might be missing.  

In regards to Patsycat,  I certainly did not intend to disuade her or anyone else from posting on this forum.  I only ask a blessing for Patsycat and her quest for sobriety.

And as for your comment "Yes, there are ars_oles everywhere - even in these forums.", I assume you are referring to me.  Still I will end this post without any unkind thoughts of you and with the understanding that your feelings for Patsycat developed by years of on-line chatter would naturally make you protective.

Good luck to all in their efforts to stop drinking and stay sober!


Rick

Also I not sure about why the length of time a poster has been on the forum has to do with the content

I would normally agree with you, but when someone with 47 posts and less than 6  months posting membership under his belt suggests that someone with over 6,000 posts and 5 years membership who has never so much as had a post removed, let alone been warned, may be trolling,then I think the point is valid.

My comment on ars_oles was not directed at you.

[Mobi]

Rick Thai, thanks for your comment.

Peace... and stay sober...

[kpmsprtd]

I have nothing against AA. A good friend of mine attends meetings, and it works for him.

I just want to mention that there is an alternative addiction treatment model, Rational Recovery, which is individual rather than group-based, and which seems to focus more on the family than on a higher power.

Disclaimer: I know nothing about Rational Recovery other than what I have read on their website, and what little I've heard about them over the years.