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Rubber Trees

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Plenty of views, but nothing forthcoming so far, isnt it near the end of the cutting season? and you good farmers have a little time now?

Do any of you agree with the link below, are rubber prices really that high?

http://www.unogomes.com/calculation-for-rubber-tree-business-in-thailand.html

Thanks,

Lickey it;s the start of the tapping season, we opened our trees 2 weeks ago and should be making sheet next week. As for the link, just another guy listening to his TG who gets her info from an uncle who knows less. When I hear people talking about 1000s of Rai you know they are full of it. Anyone with that kind of money is not going to live in Issan and would not be getting help of the net.

As for price www.rubberthai.com gives you the daily auction price. Jim

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Plenty of views, but nothing forthcoming so far, isnt it near the end of the cutting season? and you good farmers have a little time now?

Do any of you agree with the link below, are rubber prices really that high?

http://www.unogomes.com/calculation-for-rubber-tree-business-in-thailand.html

Thanks,

Lickey it;s the start of the tapping season, we opened our trees 2 weeks ago and should be making sheet next week. As for the link, just another guy listening to his TG who gets her info from an uncle who knows less. When I hear people talking about 1000s of Rai you know they are full of it. Anyone with that kind of money is not going to live in Issan and would not be getting help of the net.

As for price www.rubberthai.com gives you the daily auction price. Jim

Here is an English rubber pricing page: www.irco.biz/

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Hello to the Thai Rubber Farmers Secret Society, it doesnt really bother me whether you rubber farmers post a start to produce with fert regimes or not, im not into rubber, im just thinking of newbies who might be,

The site i posted was the result of a google search "thai rubber farming" so thats what a newbie will see, in reality, its far from the truth,

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Hello to the Thai Rubber Farmers Secret Society, it doesnt really bother me whether you rubber farmers post a start to produce with fert regimes or not, im not into rubber, im just thinking of newbies who might be,

The site i posted was the result of a google search "thai rubber farming" so thats what a newbie will see, in reality, its far from the truth,

Not sure what your looking for but if you figure folks have some obligation to post a "Rubber Farming for Idiots" guide then I think your misguided. I think there is lots of info here if you are willing to look. Is it well organized? Maybe not, but you can find most of what you need to know.

Trying to write a definitive guide on web boards like this simply opens you up to flame responses and ridicule. Not only that but most folks just post what they are doing and what seems to work for them, most aren't trying multiple approaches in controlled settings anyhow so they can't definitively say what is best. Sometimes, I would like to see the farm forum split into more specific sub forums when I am looking to view old subject specific posts but on the other hand some of the sub forums would receive so little traffic they would soon likely die. Leaving it as is with the existing search function is good enough for me.

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I’ve also thought for some time that a pinned topic on rubber trees would be very useful. I don’t understand why some of you guys already planting rubber can’t or won’t do a “paper”. James Collister seems to stand out for me as the one best qualified or, at least, with most recent contributions on the subject. I didn’t present myself as an expert when doing the thread on cassava: I just put together a piece based on a combination of my experience and my study of the subject. Flames, ridicule? I only had one indirect flamer, and I dealt with him. How can you be ridiculed if you know your stuff? If you don’t know your subject, isn’t this a great way to learn? I improved my own knowledge of cassava tremendously by being asked by the mod at that time to “write a paper” (thanks Ozzydom!).

I would make way for this pinned topic by unpinning the so called Farming Weather of Thailand (as monitored in cities!), which I find to be completely useless and was only pinned upon one person’s request.

Rgds

Khonwan (got to keep signing here in the hope that eventually folks might learn how to spell “Khonwan” :) )

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Thankyou Khonwan for your post, im glad you think it makes a lot of sense as im sure many others do, i also nominate Jim, to me he is the predominate Rubber Doctor on the forum,

Reading Daklings recent post about starting rubber trees ect, it seems he has his own methods from the WWW and that a "local" hands on is of no use to him, so be it, he doesnt need to read the topic or contribute to it in any way..

And yes, i remember the way Dom err guided you in? to do the Cassava Topic, cunning old bugger he is!!

So folks, who else nominates James Coll to start this off, [only if you have the time Jim, up to you! }

Lickey..

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Lickey,

I for one think your idea of a pinned topic is sound and agree that Jim would be a great candidate for the job, no pressure then biggrin.gif.

Khonwan readily accepts that he is still learning from his Cassava thread which for me is a good enough reason to pin a rubber thread.

Forums are, imo, a tool for the exchange of information and views, which may differ, hence the need to collate all of these opinions for one subject within a specific pinned thread. At the moment Dakling is correct in that most of the information is widely available, but this info is seriously fragmented and many have some opinions, which, imo, are seriously flawed. Yet whilst they remain in stagnant rubber threads, could be believed and acted upon to the detriment of a newbie.

I have also seen Jim try to help a number of newbies with their questions and you can almost hear him sigh when he has to repeat them on yet another new thread. Pinning a single thread will also dispense with that.

There will always be a contingent that will not be prepared to share information or give misinformation just to see novices fail. Some of us on the other hand embrace the idea that people want to have a go and change their lives. Rubber thread, BRING IT ON I say.

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Ok looks like I'm the bunny, but this will take time as I am a 2 fingered typer, my lap top is on it;s last legs and I haven't planted a rubber tree in over 6 years so some research will be needed. Should be done by Xmas Jim

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FIRE and WEED CONTROL

You have now entered into an on going war with grass and weeds, Scrub cutters [weed wackers] will be constantly on the go and you will need to poison.

Nice one Jim, i am sure this thread will keep getting bumped if it doesnt get pinned.

With you mentioning weed killer (poison) are you using Glysophate (roundup) or have you another method besides brushcutting ?

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Jim, a masterpiece, thankyou for your time in helping me and other newbies, yep, so very true, the planting is over, and the long wait begins,

If i may ask you a question, for eg, i have just planted 40 rai, in the waiting time, i have looked after all and paid for everything, how long do you think it will be into producing time i will recover the intial investment,

Thanks, Lickey.

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Jim.

Congratulations on the 101 piece. Mate that is the best, most concise outline a new rubber farmer could hope for.

As for your reference to pig farmers, how about giving our topic a crack? You seem qualified, sit in the shade and drink beer, thats something I can aspire too. What do you know about parasites, human and insect? I seem to be infested with both at the moment...

Isaan Aussie.

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Thanks Jim, I told Sopha we need to talk to the Agriculture people in town. As when you ask the locals why, it's "always been done this way". Which of course may be just perpetuating the mistakes.

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FIRE and WEED CONTROL

You have now entered into an on going war with grass and weeds, Scrub cutters [weed wackers] will be constantly on the go and you will need to poison.

Nice one Jim, i am sure this thread will keep getting bumped if it doesnt get pinned.

With you mentioning weed killer (poison) are you using Glysophate (roundup) or have you another method besides brushcutting ?

Mark I presume

Think you just illustrated one of my points. I have no idea what poison they use. As with any job that reguires a special skill or knowledge, I hire a man who knows.

IA only thing I know about pigs is that I hope to come and eat one of yours this year.

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FIRE and WEED CONTROL

You have now entered into an on going war with grass and weeds, Scrub cutters [weed wackers] will be constantly on the go and you will need to poison.

Nice one Jim, i am sure this thread will keep getting bumped if it doesnt get pinned.

With you mentioning weed killer (poison) are you using Glysophate (roundup) or have you another method besides brushcutting ?

To all,

If your plantation(s) is/are big enough buy a tractor with a 1.2 - 2m weed cutter operated off the PTO. Just read an article in the BKK Post stating that the use of chemicals in the farming industry are to be cut - one can only pray!!! Try not to use any chemical weed killers....

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FIRE and WEED CONTROL

You have now entered into an on going war with grass and weeds, Scrub cutters [weed wackers] will be constantly on the go and you will need to poison.

Nice one Jim, i am sure this thread will keep getting bumped if it doesnt get pinned.

With you mentioning weed killer (poison) are you using Glysophate (roundup) or have you another method besides brushcutting ?

I use Glysophate to control the grass and weeds but not untill the trees are 4 years of age. It takes usually 3 applications of the stuff and I don't go anywhere near it. I have one guy that is very experienced in using it and I let him get on with it. Up untill 4 years I can cultivate between the rows with the tractor and hire people to hand weed between the trees.

See photo of six year old trees, no weeds or grass

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Gylsophate is a user friendly chemical as far as herbicides go and the beauty of it is you can apply in small doses and it accumulates,

ie you can give 150ml dose and if weed is not dead apply another dose of 150ml and it equal a 300ml dose.

Gylsophate is your friend dont over apply rates as you will create resistance then you will be forced to use more expensive and less friendly herbicides.

Paraquat on the other hand is not user friendly and does not accumulate with doses however is the right application if you want to spraytop pasture to stop seed set and maintain a ground cover to stop erosion.

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FIRE and WEED CONTROL

You have now entered into an on going war with grass and weeds, Scrub cutters [weed wackers] will be constantly on the go and you will need to poison.

Nice one Jim, i am sure this thread will keep getting bumped if it doesnt get pinned.

With you mentioning weed killer (poison) are you using Glysophate (roundup) or have you another method besides brushcutting ?

I use Glysophate to control the grass and weeds but not untill the trees are 4 years of age. It takes usually 3 applications of the stuff and I don't go anywhere near it. I have one guy that is very experienced in using it and I let him get on with it. Up untill 4 years I can cultivate between the rows with the tractor and hire people to hand weed between the trees.

See photo of six year old trees, no weeds or grass

Nice looking trees Kwonitoy, but as for my preference, I like to have a bit of grass / weed cover in between the trees with a 1.5 m radius around the trees weed free. This helps slow erosion and is more pleasant to walk on than mud in the wet season.

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Nice uniformity of trunk size there Kwonitoy. Are they Rimm 600's ?

I am tempted to use Glysophate, but i am wary of the long term effects of the stuff. If you believed everything you read about Monsanto you would perhaps understand my trepidation.

The trees have a lot of surface roots due to their age (20 year) and are therefore susceptible to damage from a tractor driven cutter so i cant use that option. Additionally the roots are more likely to come into contact with the Glysophate as well, being that many are near the surface.

I presume the Glysophate becomes inert when it binds to the soil, but its that age old question of wondering if there is any long term detriment lurking inside this herbicide.

Has anyone had any bad experiences with Roundup ?

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Thanks guys:

They are RIMM 600 varity trees,

SB you raise a good point about erosion and future tappers walking around. To date there is no noticable erosion, and we've been getting a lot of rain lately. It makes me think about leaving a little greenery on the next pieces to get sprayed.

I would wonder also if the trees accumulate the Glysopaphate, I would imagine they would have to absorb some but perhaps dissapte it because of their size. At 4 years of age when they were sprayed the surface roots aren't so noticable. I don't know about spraying trees that are older and have more roots spread out.

Personally I'm not a big fan of chemical control, the wife wanted to spray for weeds when the trees were 2 years old and I just don't think that's good for young trees that are still in rapid growth. I paid for cutters and did a lot of hand cutting myself untill it just got to be to much. There were some replants in amoungst the older trees and the spraying did kill some of them.

If you believed everything you read about Monsanto you would perhaps understand my trepidation.

I do understand your concern about Monsanto, I grew up on a Canadian grain farm and dealing with them is like selling your soul to the devil. Once you buy their seeds you're hooked into their very propritory system. But for Thailand I'll buy their chemicals and leave it at that.

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Thanks guys:

They are RIMM 600 varity trees,

SB you raise a good point about erosion and future tappers walking around. To date there is no noticable erosion, and we've been getting a lot of rain lately. It makes me think about leaving a little greenery on the next pieces to get sprayed.

I would wonder also if the trees accumulate the Glysopaphate, I would imagine they would have to absorb some but perhaps dissapte it because of their size. At 4 years of age when they were sprayed the surface roots aren't so noticable. I don't know about spraying trees that are older and have more roots spread out.

Personally I'm not a big fan of chemical control, the wife wanted to spray for weeds when the trees were 2 years old and I just don't think that's good for young trees that are still in rapid growth. I paid for cutters and did a lot of hand cutting myself untill it just got to be to much. There were some replants in amoungst the older trees and the spraying did kill some of them.

If you believed everything you read about Monsanto you would perhaps understand my trepidation.

I do understand your concern about Monsanto, I grew up on a Canadian grain farm and dealing with them is like selling your soul to the devil. Once you buy their seeds you're hooked into their very propritory system. But for Thailand I'll buy their chemicals and leave it at that.

Here's 2 of our plantations without any weed chemicals and using organic fertilizers. The trees are 5 yrs. old.

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that was very informative Jim. Thanks.

I don't have Rubber myself but have often thought about it. Just don't have the space anymore unless I was to intermix with the current trees which would be a leap of faith .

what organic fertilier do you use scotbeve , just animal shit I guess. !?

Why worry about a few weeds anyway after the trees get so big ? Everyone around my place is spraying with chemicals on everything this year. they used to just do the edges of the ricefields but now its a much cheaper option than the weedwacker due to the price of fuel. It probably isn't roundup either. its got to have dire consequences down the line.

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that was very informative Jim. Thanks.

I don't have Rubber myself but have often thought about it. Just don't have the space anymore unless I was to intermix with the current trees which would be a leap of faith .

what organic fertilier do you use scotbeve , just animal shit I guess. !?

Why worry about a few weeds anyway after the trees get so big ? Everyone around my place is spraying with chemicals on everything this year. they used to just do the edges of the ricefields but now its a much cheaper option than the weedwacker due to the price of fuel. It probably isn't roundup either. its got to have dire consequences down the line.

Jubby,

Yes, just crap and when I can get my hands on it, compost. I'm actually selling 18 rai of 5 1/2 yr. old trees if you're interested (I have enough and this was part of my master plan). See http://classifieds.thaivisa.com/real-estate/land-for-rent-or-sale/18-0-0-rai-rubber-plantation-for-sale-in-mae-ai-chiang-mai-95422.html

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