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[cdmtdm]

jamescollister, on 2012-05-25 21:08:11, said:

cobbler, on 2012-05-22 11:52:29, said:

Hi to all.
   We are trying to supplement our income.So we (wife and I)looked around and asked a lot of questions.
Banana trees.are what some people do.We looked and checked out 1 farm with massive nam wa growing between the rubber trees.Also down near Chumpon we saw some finger bananas growing in amongst the yang.
Middle men will come to the farm and give us 7baht per kilo,(Our friend averages 100baht per tree) and middle men do the work.Local resturants will come and cut and  buy the flowers for 2 baht each.Seems like money for nothing as the banana trees get free fertilizer  from the rubber trees.So we went to Sukothai and got 345 small nam wa trees from a friend of my wife's for 3baht each and our Myanmar worker planted them.They are showing growth slowly.Within 1.5 years we should be able to harvest.We will go back to Sukothai soon and get another 700.1 banana tree for every rubber tree.Total of 1000 trees x 100 baht per tree is good extra money.Also we were told within 4 years can have a harvest every month.Giving us an extra income off this farm of not less than 300,000baht per year.
   Also if you have 100  trees (1000 KG)of bananas ready to sell.I'm thinking ,load up the ford and sell them for 14baht per kilo at the banana market in southern Bangkok.Well worth the trip.
Another good 1 is paw paw.We will do this on our mountain(cliff face )yang farm.We are just waiting for the wet season to start
Anybody had a go at this or like to try.Please give us a message and let us know how you are  going.Maybe we can compare notes and learn from each other.
   Cheers and good luck to all and may your liquid gold over flow your cups

Hi all I am back again from my very expensive trip to OZ. Was glad to get out of the place. Anyway cobbler, bananas may sound good, but nothing grows under a rubber canopy. Once your trees start to spread your bananas will die.
On another point, I am begining to think that planting rubber now may not be as good an idea as some people believe. Where I live the back of beyond, I am 4 tappers short this year. We have had to leave 16 rai untapped and another 30 as cup rubber,no one to make pancakes. Tried to get someone to collect the cup from 700 trees, not a hard job just walk around and throw the cup into a bag, maybe 2 or3 hours. Best offer 1000 Baht, no one wants to work and if it's like that now how much will they want in 7 years.
As a PS if anyone knows of a family of rubber tappers PM me. Jim

Hi Jim where approx are you located ?

[jamescollister]

cdmtdm, on 2012-05-25 21:19:51, said:

jamescollister, on 2012-05-25 21:08:11, said:

cobbler, on 2012-05-22 11:52:29, said:

Hi to all.
   We are trying to supplement our income.So we (wife and I)looked around and asked a lot of questions.
Banana trees.are what some people do.We looked and checked out 1 farm with massive nam wa growing between the rubber trees.Also down near Chumpon we saw some finger bananas growing in amongst the yang.
Middle men will come to the farm and give us 7baht per kilo,(Our friend averages 100baht per tree) and middle men do the work.Local resturants will come and cut and  buy the flowers for 2 baht each.Seems like money for nothing as the banana trees get free fertilizer  from the rubber trees.So we went to Sukothai and got 345 small nam wa trees from a friend of my wife's for 3baht each and our Myanmar worker planted them.They are showing growth slowly.Within 1.5 years we should be able to harvest.We will go back to Sukothai soon and get another 700.1 banana tree for every rubber tree.Total of 1000 trees x 100 baht per tree is good extra money.Also we were told within 4 years can have a harvest every month.Giving us an extra income off this farm of not less than 300,000baht per year.
   Also if you have 100  trees (1000 KG)of bananas ready to sell.I'm thinking ,load up the ford and sell them for 14baht per kilo at the banana market in southern Bangkok.Well worth the trip.
Another good 1 is paw paw.We will do this on our mountain(cliff face )yang farm.We are just waiting for the wet season to start
Anybody had a go at this or like to try.Please give us a message and let us know how you are  going.Maybe we can compare notes and learn from each other.
   Cheers and good luck to all and may your liquid gold over flow your cups

Hi all I am back again from my very expensive trip to OZ. Was glad to get out of the place. Anyway cobbler, bananas may sound good, but nothing grows under a rubber canopy. Once your trees start to spread your bananas will die.
On another point, I am begining to think that planting rubber now may not be as good an idea as some people believe. Where I live the back of beyond, I am 4 tappers short this year. We have had to leave 16 rai untapped and another 30 as cup rubber,no one to make pancakes. Tried to get someone to collect the cup from 700 trees, not a hard job just walk around and throw the cup into a bag, maybe 2 or3 hours. Best offer 1000 Baht, no one wants to work and if it's like that now how much will they want in 7 years.
As a PS if anyone knows of a family of rubber tappers PM me. Jim

Hi Jim where approx are you located ?

Near the Lao / Cambodia border. if you google Ban Sang Hom Buntharik that will show you. Jim

[customcurb]

I did some googling on tapping systems and methods recently. I think it was the Malaysian gov site that promoted tapping every third day and said the output was only slightly less than more frequent tapping but of course the labor cost was significantly less. I haven't been doing it long enough to validate or know from experience yet. Anyone else know?

a friend around me (who does not have rubber) says he remembers seeing a sealed bag puncture tapping system, I may have queried about that before. the person who invents a way to cut labor costs/bodies needed will be the real rich one.

[ClausGS]

jamescollister, on 2012-05-25 21:30:09, said:

cdmtdm, on 2012-05-25 21:19:51, said:

jamescollister, on 2012-05-25 21:08:11, said:

cobbler, on 2012-05-22 11:52:29, said:

Hi to all.
   We are trying to supplement our income.So we (wife and I)looked around and asked a lot of questions.
Banana trees.are what some people do.We looked and checked out 1 farm with massive nam wa growing between the rubber trees.Also down near Chumpon we saw some finger bananas growing in amongst the yang.
Middle men will come to the farm and give us 7baht per kilo,(Our friend averages 100baht per tree) and middle men do the work.Local resturants will come and cut and  buy the flowers for 2 baht each.Seems like money for nothing as the banana trees get free fertilizer  from the rubber trees.So we went to Sukothai and got 345 small nam wa trees from a friend of my wife's for 3baht each and our Myanmar worker planted them.They are showing growth slowly.Within 1.5 years we should be able to harvest.We will go back to Sukothai soon and get another 700.1 banana tree for every rubber tree.Total of 1000 trees x 100 baht per tree is good extra money.Also we were told within 4 years can have a harvest every month.Giving us an extra income off this farm of not less than 300,000baht per year.
   Also if you have 100  trees (1000 KG)of bananas ready to sell.I'm thinking ,load up the ford and sell them for 14baht per kilo at the banana market in southern Bangkok.Well worth the trip.
Another good 1 is paw paw.We will do this on our mountain(cliff face )yang farm.We are just waiting for the wet season to start
Anybody had a go at this or like to try.Please give us a message and let us know how you are  going.Maybe we can compare notes and learn from each other.
   Cheers and good luck to all and may your liquid gold over flow your cups

Hi all I am back again from my very expensive trip to OZ. Was glad to get out of the place. Anyway cobbler, bananas may sound good, but nothing grows under a rubber canopy. Once your trees start to spread your bananas will die.
On another point, I am begining to think that planting rubber now may not be as good an idea as some people believe. Where I live the back of beyond, I am 4 tappers short this year. We have had to leave 16 rai untapped and another 30 as cup rubber,no one to make pancakes. Tried to get someone to collect the cup from 700 trees, not a hard job just walk around and throw the cup into a bag, maybe 2 or3 hours. Best offer 1000 Baht, no one wants to work and if it's like that now how much will they want in 7 years.
As a PS if anyone knows of a family of rubber tappers PM me. Jim

Hi Jim where approx are you located ?

Near the Lao / Cambodia border. if you google Ban Sang Hom Buntharik that will show you. Jim

HI
And what will the price of rubber / oil be in 7 years from now, we dont know but for sure higher than today. the same goes for the land where we have our rubber on. We are south of Udonthani where we can buy farm land at about 40000 tbh / rai. you add about 20000 to 30000 for planting and fertilizer during the next 7 years. that gives you a rough cost of about 70000 tbh / rai. 7 years from now you will be able to sell 1 rai for at least 150000 tbh. This is about 14% return on investment / year. It is like if you place 70000 tbh in the bank and get 14% interest rate every year for 7 years (i can live with that).

Jim, if you want to sell or buy 6 to 8 year old rubber tree land what is the price in youre area??, 100000 to 130000, i would guess??
Others pleas also inform all of us about rubber tree plantation price / rai?
My wife's brother sold 10 rai of 5 year old rubber 2 to 3 years ago and got 100000 tbh / rai.

[Mosha]

Cobbler, we have Pakrian (spelling) Growing up to about 30' into our rubber trees on the road side of our plot. Should grow over where you are.

[cobbler]

jamescollister, on 2012-05-25 21:08:11, said:

cobbler, on 2012-05-22 11:52:29, said:

Hi to all.
   We are trying to supplement our income.So we (wife and I)looked around and asked a lot of questions.
Banana trees.are what some people do.We looked and checked out 1 farm with massive nam wa growing between the rubber trees.Also down near Chumpon we saw some finger bananas growing in amongst the yang.
Middle men will come to the farm and give us 7baht per kilo,(Our friend averages 100baht per tree) and middle men do the work.Local resturants will come and cut and  buy the flowers for 2 baht each.Seems like money for nothing as the banana trees get free fertilizer  from the rubber trees.So we went to Sukothai and got 345 small nam wa trees from a friend of my wife's for 3baht each and our Myanmar worker planted them.They are showing growth slowly.Within 1.5 years we should be able to harvest.We will go back to Sukothai soon and get another 700.1 banana tree for every rubber tree.Total of 1000 trees x 100 baht per tree is good extra money.Also we were told within 4 years can have a harvest every month.Giving us an extra income off this farm of not less than 300,000baht per year.
   Also if you have 100  trees (1000 KG)of bananas ready to sell.I'm thinking ,load up the ford and sell them for 14baht per kilo at the banana market in southern Bangkok.Well worth the trip.
Another good 1 is paw paw.We will do this on our mountain(cliff face )yang farm.We are just waiting for the wet season to start
Anybody had a go at this or like to try.Please give us a message and let us know how you are  going.Maybe we can compare notes and learn from each other.
   Cheers and good luck to all and may your liquid gold over flow your cups

Hi all I am back again from my very expensive trip to OZ. Was glad to get out of the place. Anyway cobbler, bananas may sound good, but nothing grows under a rubber canopy. Once your trees start to spread your bananas will die.
On another point, I am begining to think that planting rubber now may not be as good an idea as some people believe. Where I live the back of beyond, I am 4 tappers short this year. We have had to leave 16 rai untapped and another 30 as cup rubber,no one to make pancakes. Tried to get someone to collect the cup from 700 trees, not a hard job just walk around and throw the cup into a bag, maybe 2 or3 hours. Best offer 1000 Baht, no one wants to work and if it's like that now how much will they want in 7 years.
As a PS if anyone knows of a family of rubber tappers PM me. Jim

Hi Jim.Maybe up in your area nothing grows under the canopy.That's also what I thought too,originally.But! After seeing banana trees with huge trunks and and massive bananas to sell I thought it well worth a go..Time will tell.Not long ago during the closed season.The government down at Chumpon had a weekend dedicated to teaching yang farmers what they can grow in amongst the mature yang to add extra income.A lot of things grow under the canopy of the jungle in the wild.The same applies  in the yang.Of course you have to take into consideration.Rainfall weather soil,ect,ect.
  I know of Myanma workers looking for jobs.If you like ,Maybe I can help you get some.I can tell you our Myanma workers are excellent and Honest.What is your percentage worker to owner.how old are the trees,how many trees,how many mats a day and how many rai will they be tapping?Is the 16 rai close to the 30 rai?Because 2 tappers could do the lot.I doubt a person would go there just for 16 rai.As they wouldn't get enough money off it to feed themselves.But add the 16  rai and the 30 rai together and they would do well.I know if they can't make a living they will just walk away.
  Cheers Cobbler
  P.s. What did you mean by spread.

Edited by cobbler, Yesterday, 10:09 .

[cobbler]

Mosha, on Yesterday, 07:27 , said:

Cobbler, we have Pakrian (spelling) Growing up to about 30' into our rubber trees on the road side of our plot. Should grow over where you are.

Thanks for that Mosha.I'm just a dumbass.So I asked my accountant, business adviser, cook and best freind ''what it is?'' . and she explained to me..''Our neighbour next to our mountain farm grows this in his Yang farm.''Yes ,could be good''
   We had 5mm rain yesterday.I want a lot more than that I won't settle for less than 15 or 20mm.I hope

[cobbler]

cobbler, on Yesterday, 10:21 , said:

Mosha, on Yesterday, 07:27 , said:

Cobbler, we have Pakrian (spelling) Growing up to about 30' into our rubber trees on the road side of our plot. Should grow over where you are.

Thanks for that Mosha.I'm just a dumbass.So I asked my accountant, business adviser, cook and best freind ''what it is?'' . and she explained to me..''Our neighbour next to our mountain farm grows this in his Yang farm.''Yes ,could be good''
   We had 5mm rain yesterday.I want a lot more than that I won't settle for less than 15 or 20mm.I hope

By the way ,what do you mean by 30''?

[Mark1971]

jamescollister, on 2012-05-25 21:08:11, said:

cobbler, on 2012-05-22 11:52:29, said:

Hi to all.
   We are trying to supplement our income.So we (wife and I)looked around and asked a lot of questions.
Banana trees.are what some people do.We looked and checked out 1 farm with massive nam wa growing between the rubber trees.Also down near Chumpon we saw some finger bananas growing in amongst the yang.
Middle men will come to the farm and give us 7baht per kilo,(Our friend averages 100baht per tree) and middle men do the work.Local resturants will come and cut and  buy the flowers for 2 baht each.Seems like money for nothing as the banana trees get free fertilizer  from the rubber trees.So we went to Sukothai and got 345 small nam wa trees from a friend of my wife's for 3baht each and our Myanmar worker planted them.They are showing growth slowly.Within 1.5 years we should be able to harvest.We will go back to Sukothai soon and get another 700.1 banana tree for every rubber tree.Total of 1000 trees x 100 baht per tree is good extra money.Also we were told within 4 years can have a harvest every month.Giving us an extra income off this farm of not less than 300,000baht per year.
   Also if you have 100  trees (1000 KG)of bananas ready to sell.I'm thinking ,load up the ford and sell them for 14baht per kilo at the banana market in southern Bangkok.Well worth the trip.
Another good 1 is paw paw.We will do this on our mountain(cliff face )yang farm.We are just waiting for the wet season to start
Anybody had a go at this or like to try.Please give us a message and let us know how you are  going.Maybe we can compare notes and learn from each other.
   Cheers and good luck to all and may your liquid gold over flow your cups

Hi all I am back again from my very expensive trip to OZ. Was glad to get out of the place. Anyway cobbler, bananas may sound good, but nothing grows under a rubber canopy. Once your trees start to spread your bananas will die.
On another point, I am begining to think that planting rubber now may not be as good an idea as some people believe. Where I live the back of beyond, I am 4 tappers short this year. We have had to leave 16 rai untapped and another 30 as cup rubber,no one to make pancakes. Tried to get someone to collect the cup from 700 trees, not a hard job just walk around and throw the cup into a bag, maybe 2 or3 hours. Best offer 1000 Baht, no one wants to work and if it's like that now how much will they want in 7 years.
As a PS if anyone knows of a family of rubber tappers PM me. Jim

Jim,
The current system of Rubber tapping used in Thailand relies on very high labour availability & low labour cost per hour.
This was something I mentioned briefly on this thread several months ago.
Malaysia has already changed to different tapping systems due to reduced availability of labour & rising labour costs.

In Thailand the key meteric normally quoted is Kg / Rai / Year.
In the future this will change to g / tree / tap. (This factors in the labour cost).

The systems already exist to achieve good financial returns with less labour availability, and higher labour costs.
Changing to these systems in Thailand is pretty much guaranteed, it is simply a question of when.

[cobbler]

Hi Jim,
Try not to get disheartened farming is up and down.Try not to worry too much about it.Thailand has had rubber trees for 101 years.and they are now planning to build a tire factory.If the rubber future wasn't looking very bright they wouldn't be doing this.I was stressed about not being able to find tappers.My wife just laughed and said.''Myanmar breed like rats,no problem to get workers''
   Have a great year,Cheers Cobbler

[cobbler]

Mark1971, on Yesterday, 14:39 , said:

jamescollister, on 2012-05-25 21:08:11, said:

cobbler, on 2012-05-22 11:52:29, said:

Hi to all.
   We are trying to supplement our income.So we (wife and I)looked around and asked a lot of questions.
Banana trees.are what some people do.We looked and checked out 1 farm with massive nam wa growing between the rubber trees.Also down near Chumpon we saw some finger bananas growing in amongst the yang.
Middle men will come to the farm and give us 7baht per kilo,(Our friend averages 100baht per tree) and middle men do the work.Local resturants will come and cut and  buy the flowers for 2 baht each.Seems like money for nothing as the banana trees get free fertilizer  from the rubber trees.So we went to Sukothai and got 345 small nam wa trees from a friend of my wife's for 3baht each and our Myanmar worker planted them.They are showing growth slowly.Within 1.5 years we should be able to harvest.We will go back to Sukothai soon and get another 700.1 banana tree for every rubber tree.Total of 1000 trees x 100 baht per tree is good extra money.Also we were told within 4 years can have a harvest every month.Giving us an extra income off this farm of not less than 300,000baht per year.
   Also if you have 100  trees (1000 KG)of bananas ready to sell.I'm thinking ,load up the ford and sell them for 14baht per kilo at the banana market in southern Bangkok.Well worth the trip.
Another good 1 is paw paw.We will do this on our mountain(cliff face )yang farm.We are just waiting for the wet season to start
Anybody had a go at this or like to try.Please give us a message and let us know how you are  going.Maybe we can compare notes and learn from each other.
   Cheers and good luck to all and may your liquid gold over flow your cups

Hi all I am back again from my very expensive trip to OZ. Was glad to get out of the place. Anyway cobbler, bananas may sound good, but nothing grows under a rubber canopy. Once your trees start to spread your bananas will die.
On another point, I am begining to think that planting rubber now may not be as good an idea as some people believe. Where I live the back of beyond, I am 4 tappers short this year. We have had to leave 16 rai untapped and another 30 as cup rubber,no one to make pancakes. Tried to get someone to collect the cup from 700 trees, not a hard job just walk around and throw the cup into a bag, maybe 2 or3 hours. Best offer 1000 Baht, no one wants to work and if it's like that now how much will they want in 7 years.
As a PS if anyone knows of a family of rubber tappers PM me. Jim

Jim,
The current system of Rubber tapping used in Thailand relies on very high labour availability & low labour cost per hour.
This was something I mentioned briefly on this thread several months ago.
Malaysia has already changed to different tapping systems due to reduced availability of labour & rising labour costs.

In Thailand the key meteric normally quoted is Kg / Rai / Year.
In the future this will change to g / tree / tap. (This factors in the labour cost).

The systems already exist to achieve good financial returns with less labour availability, and higher labour costs.
Changing to these systems in Thailand is pretty much guaranteed, it is simply a question of when.

Not until Myanmar stop breeding like rats I know people down here .If they are not happy with a worker for what ever reason ,they just pay what is owed and kick them out on the spot.next ,next ,next,until they find a good 1.That's how many Myanmar there are.

[cobbler]

cobbler, on Yesterday, 10:21 , said:

Mosha, on Yesterday, 07:27 , said:

Cobbler, we have Pakrian (spelling) Growing up to about 30' into our rubber trees on the road side of our plot. Should grow over where you are.

Thanks for that Mosha.I'm just a dumbass.So I asked my accountant, business adviser, cook and best freind ''what it is?'' . and she explained to me..''Our neighbour next to our mountain farm grows this in his Yang farm.''Yes ,could be good''
   We had 5mm rain yesterday.I want a lot more than that I won't settle for less than 15 or 20mm.I hope

Bye the way Mosha .Do you pick it every day?Pakrian or paklian is easy to grow(famous last words)
   We also saw Coffee in yang but not sure how probuctive it is.A person said it eats all the fertiliza for the yang.Have you seen this at all?
   Cheers , Cobbler

[cobbler]

Mark1971, on Yesterday, 14:39 , said:

jamescollister, on 2012-05-25 21:08:11, said:

cobbler, on 2012-05-22 11:52:29, said:

Hi to all.
   We are trying to supplement our income.So we (wife and I)looked around and asked a lot of questions.
Banana trees.are what some people do.We looked and checked out 1 farm with massive nam wa growing between the rubber trees.Also down near Chumpon we saw some finger bananas growing in amongst the yang.
Middle men will come to the farm and give us 7baht per kilo,(Our friend averages 100baht per tree) and middle men do the work.Local resturants will come and cut and  buy the flowers for 2 baht each.Seems like money for nothing as the banana trees get free fertilizer  from the rubber trees.So we went to Sukothai and got 345 small nam wa trees from a friend of my wife's for 3baht each and our Myanmar worker planted them.They are showing growth slowly.Within 1.5 years we should be able to harvest.We will go back to Sukothai soon and get another 700.1 banana tree for every rubber tree.Total of 1000 trees x 100 baht per tree is good extra money.Also we were told within 4 years can have a harvest every month.Giving us an extra income off this farm of not less than 300,000baht per year.
   Also if you have 100  trees (1000 KG)of bananas ready to sell.I'm thinking ,load up the ford and sell them for 14baht per kilo at the banana market in southern Bangkok.Well worth the trip.
Another good 1 is paw paw.We will do this on our mountain(cliff face )yang farm.We are just waiting for the wet season to start
Anybody had a go at this or like to try.Please give us a message and let us know how you are  going.Maybe we can compare notes and learn from each other.
   Cheers and good luck to all and may your liquid gold over flow your cups

Hi all I am back again from my very expensive trip to OZ. Was glad to get out of the place. Anyway cobbler, bananas may sound good, but nothing grows under a rubber canopy. Once your trees start to spread your bananas will die.
On another point, I am begining to think that planting rubber now may not be as good an idea as some people believe. Where I live the back of beyond, I am 4 tappers short this year. We have had to leave 16 rai untapped and another 30 as cup rubber,no one to make pancakes. Tried to get someone to collect the cup from 700 trees, not a hard job just walk around and throw the cup into a bag, maybe 2 or3 hours. Best offer 1000 Baht, no one wants to work and if it's like that now how much will they want in 7 years.
As a PS if anyone knows of a family of rubber tappers PM me. Jim

Jim,
The current system of Rubber tapping used in Thailand relies on very high labour availability & low labour cost per hour.
This was something I mentioned briefly on this thread several months ago.
Malaysia has already changed to different tapping systems due to reduced availability of labour & rising labour costs.

In Thailand the key meteric normally quoted is Kg / Rai / Year.
In the future this will change to g / tree / tap. (This factors in the labour cost).

The systems already exist to achieve good financial returns with less labour availability, and higher labour costs.
Changing to these systems in Thailand is pretty much guaranteed, it is simply a question of when.

Hey Jim ,What's your address That's easy money.I'll come and do it myself.
   Cheers Cobbler

[jamescollister]

Hi the use of tappers from Burma would be great, but the locals will not let them live here. They hate outsiders, this may be a big rubber area but the next money maker comes over the land border from Lao. Not unusual to see people carrying military firearms in the jungle or in the village at times.
Sometimes I do get pissed off by the attitude of the local [workers], but unlike you rich farangs out there, rubber is how I make my living and being short 4 workers at the start of the season, will cost me around 60 to 90,000 Baht a month during the high output times. As I said before I am not here to live as a native. I want my nice house, big car, unlimited beer and private school for the kids.
Anyway this happens every year and we get by TIT
As for land prices here, the word crazy would be apt. Farm land no title or bad tile that can not legally be sold, 50 to 150,000 a rai. Land with charnot, of which there is none except along the  main 2248 road, asking prices 500,000 to 1 mil per rai, Again  the local don't get it, just because a company pays 1 mil per rai for land to build something doesn't mean everything is worth a mil, but they will not sell for less.
As for bananas under rubber, like to see a photo, on my plantations not even grass grows during the season, it's dark. Jim