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#1 dunkin2012

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Posted 2011-06-09 12:14:12

Child Prostitution in Thailand
by Sirirat Pusurinkham
Child prostitution is a serious social problem in Thailand. Prostitution is a form of enslavement that currently involves perhaps 800,000 children under the age of sixteen, bought and sold for a profit that exceeds that of the drug trade or weapons sales or lotteries or sports gambling.



http://www.thewitness.org



ncregister.com
wiki Prostitution of Children
Sex work web link

It is important to note that this is not a news article from a recognized news source but rather a report from a Christian mission in Chiang Rai that does not cite the sources for its information--sbk admin

Edited by sbk, 2011-06-09 13:35:54.
edited for fair use and note added regarding this piece


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Posted 2011-06-09 13:01:56

The goverment will denie this !

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Posted 2011-06-09 13:09:26

Perhaps 800,000 children under the age of sixteen?
Perhaps??
Numbers have been estimated to be as low as 12,000 to somewhere in the hundreds of thousands.
Girls as young as 10-12 years old service men in the sex industry. Many of the girls typically have sex with ten to fifteen men every day, and sometimes as many as 20 to 30.

Interesting numbers.
I dont think anyone denies the problem exists and must be dealt with.
But where does she get the numbers from?

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Posted 2011-06-09 13:16:06

From the tone of the post, speaking of "blame" for Thai cultural sex practices, and the link to a religious website, seems they are using the child sex hot button to appose prostitution in general.

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Posted 2011-06-09 13:32:34

Found the rest of this article here:
Witness article Child Prostitution

Quite a hard hitting piece from April 2007, which will hopefully help raise awareness of Thailand's darker side.

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Posted 2011-06-09 14:33:10

thanks for restoring the missing piece.

Found the rest of this article here:
Witness article Child Prostitution

Quite a hard hitting piece from April 2007, which will hopefully help raise awareness of Thailand's darker side.


Tried to contact her via the e-mail to get the up-to-date info. and anything to back up those figures she quoted in the article. Apparently, the e-mail is no longer used anymore.
"Numbers have been estimated to be as low as 12,000 to somewhere in the hundreds of thousands." is from another child prostitution website.
very interesting article!!!!

Perhaps 800,000 children under the age of sixteen?
Perhaps??
Numbers have been estimated to be as low as 12,000 to somewhere in the hundreds of thousands.
Girls as young as 10-12 years old service men in the sex industry. Many of the girls typically have sex with ten to fifteen men every day, and sometimes as many as 20 to 30.

Interesting numbers.
I dont think anyone denies the problem exists and must be dealt with.
But where does she get the numbers from?

if this is true?

The men arrive from the Europe and the US, and often a bus is waiting at the airport to take them straight to the girls. All of this is organized through the Internet and not only in Bangkok. There is an urgent need to control this trade. The men pay the girls $4, sometimes $5. After the pimp has taken his share, the girls are left with less than the price of a meal.



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Posted 2011-06-09 14:39:03

800,000 child prostitutes out of a total population of what, 65 million....

Hmmm.

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Posted 2011-06-09 14:41:07

No doubt that whatever she talks about has some thruth in it.
But I doubt the numbers.

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Posted 2011-06-09 14:50:33

What is the toal number of kids under 16 in Thailand ?

I just got some figures from Wikipedia ( not perfect I know ) which came from the CIA World Factbook . ( they might be totally wrong but they should still show what a load of rubbish this article is ). It states that from 0-14 years of age the population of females ( I'm presumimg they will make up most of the prostitutes ) is 6,466,225. stick on another 500,000 or so for the rest top make it up to those under sixteen and you can see that the numbers just don't add up.

So 800,000 kids out of 7 million or so are under age prostitutes !!!! This is absolute <deleted> and whoever spreads this kind of rubbish for their own religous purposes should be rounded up and...........................up to you.

Not saying it doesn't happen but on this scale ....

Don't think so.

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Posted 2011-06-09 15:20:18

thanks for restoring the missing piece.


Found the rest of this article here:
Witness article Child Prostitution

Quite a hard hitting piece from April 2007, which will hopefully help raise awareness of Thailand's darker side.


Tried to contact her via the e-mail to get the up-to-date info. and anything to back up those figures she quoted in the article. Apparently, the e-mail is no longer used anymore.
"Numbers have been estimated to be as low as 12,000 to somewhere in the hundreds of thousands." is from another child prostitution website.
very interesting article!!!!

Perhaps 800,000 children under the age of sixteen?
Perhaps??
Numbers have been estimated to be as low as 12,000 to somewhere in the hundreds of thousands.
Girls as young as 10-12 years old service men in the sex industry. Many of the girls typically have sex with ten to fifteen men every day, and sometimes as many as 20 to 30.

Interesting numbers.
I dont think anyone denies the problem exists and must be dealt with.
But where does she get the numbers from?

if this is true?

The men arrive from the Europe and the US, and often a bus is waiting at the airport to take them straight to the girls. All of this is organized through the Internet and not only in Bangkok. There is an urgent need to control this trade. The men pay the girls $4, sometimes $5. After the pimp has taken his share, the girls are left with less than the price of a meal.


I doubt the last paragraph "The men pay the girls $4, sometimes $5"

An attractive, young b/g will charge far more than this and child prostitution must attract an even higher price as a 'niche' market with far greater risks.

Of course its a problem, but until the government does something about it, nothing will change.

Poor parents encourage their daughters to move to tourist areas to 'get money' - selling their children is just another (horrible) step in the pursuit of money.


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Posted 2011-06-09 17:02:29

According to the article below "poverty and the great demand by pedos for [young] children,"
Honestly, with $4-$5 no one can even get an aged whore in Pattaya , CM or else.(these days)

seriously!!!!!.... someone gotta do something to fix this.:closedeyes:

I doubt the last paragraph "The men pay the girls $4, sometimes $5"

An attractive, young b/g will charge far more than this and child prostitution must attract an even higher price as a 'niche' market with far greater risks.

Of course its a problem, but until the government does something about it, nothing will change.

Poor parents encourage their daughters to move to tourist areas to 'get money' - selling their children is just another (horrible) step in the pursuit of money.


The root cause of child prostitution is "poverty and the great demand by pedophiles for [young] children," said Lea Robidillo, Asia desk coordinator for the International Catholic Child Bureau (ICCB).
Read more: http://www.ncregiste.../#ixzz1OlroD3Uh



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Posted 2011-06-09 17:04:02

What is the toal number of kids under 16 in Thailand ?

I just got some figures from Wikipedia ( not perfect I know ) which came from the CIA World Factbook . ( they might be totally wrong but they should still show what a load of rubbish this article is ). It states that from 0-14 years of age the population of females ( I'm presumimg they will make up most of the prostitutes ) is 6,466,225. stick on another 500,000 or so for the rest top make it up to those under sixteen and you can see that the numbers just don't add up.

So 800,000 kids out of 7 million or so are under age prostitutes !!!! This is absolute <deleted> and whoever spreads this kind of rubbish for their own religous purposes should be rounded up and...........................up to you.

Not saying it doesn't happen but on this scale ....

Don't think so.


To be frank whether it's 800,000, 80,000 or even 8,000, underage sex or calling it for what it is, child abuse and exploitation is a major problem here. No other country has prostitution of all forms on such an industrial scale, to Thailand's eternal shame. While the figutres may be exaggerated in the OP, the problem is not, the complacency about it is not, the ignorance of the scale of the problem is not, and the unwillingness of the authorities (for a whole host of reasons) to enforce the law is not exaggerated.

This issue has been discussed with particular reference to Chiang Mai on that forum, in some detail and the link is below:

Darker Side of CM

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Posted 2011-06-09 18:19:45

From the tone of the post, speaking of "blame" for Thai cultural sex practices, and the link to a religious website, seems they are using the child sex hot button to appose prostitution in general.


I agree and even when Thailand was wide open with prostitution everywhere, have never seen "10 or 12 year old girls" selling themselves in Thai brothers or anywhere else for that matter.

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Posted 2011-06-09 18:38:13


From the tone of the post, speaking of "blame" for Thai cultural sex practices, and the link to a religious website, seems they are using the child sex hot button to appose prostitution in general.


I agree and even when Thailand was wide open with prostitution everywhere, have never seen "10 or 12 year old girls" selling themselves in Thai brothers or anywhere else for that matter.


While you may not have witnessed it (neither have I), this does not mean that the sexual abuse of children is absent from Thailand. Tragically it does exist and on a scale that few of us can comprehend. Child abuse is not just a "hot button" issue, it is a fact of life in LOS.

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Posted 2011-06-09 19:03:59

I agree that it exists, but not on the scale claimed by NGOs and religious groups that profit by exaggerating it.
Unfortunately, very few of them concentrate on saving children except to attract attention to raise funds for stopping prostitution in general.

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Posted 2011-06-09 20:32:43


What is the toal number of kids under 16 in Thailand ?

I just got some figures from Wikipedia ( not perfect I know ) which came from the CIA World Factbook . ( they might be totally wrong but they should still show what a load of rubbish this article is ). It states that from 0-14 years of age the population of females ( I'm presumimg they will make up most of the prostitutes ) is 6,466,225. stick on another 500,000 or so for the rest top make it up to those under sixteen and you can see that the numbers just don't add up.

So 800,000 kids out of 7 million or so are under age prostitutes !!!! This is absolute <deleted> and whoever spreads this kind of rubbish for their own religous purposes should be rounded up and...........................up to you.

Not saying it doesn't happen but on this scale ....

Don't think so.


To be frank whether it's 800,000, 80,000 or even 8,000, underage sex or calling it for what it is, child abuse and exploitation is a major problem here. No other country has prostitution of all forms on such an industrial scale, to Thailand's eternal shame. While the figutres may be exaggerated in the OP, the problem is not, the complacency about it is not, the ignorance of the scale of the problem is not, and the unwillingness of the authorities (for a whole host of reasons) to enforce the law is not exaggerated.

This issue has been discussed with particular reference to Chiang Mai on that forum, in some detail and the link is below:

Darker Side of CM


But, as you highlight, this is just a sensational issue raised with a view to attacking the sex industry generally in Thailand. I am not really sure about eternal shame, but I accept that you may cast opprobium at the nation ceaselessly until you die, based on your own values and prejudices.

There was a very serious case of organised child abuse centred around Belgium a few years back, as I recall. However, I would hesitate to castigate the entire nation on that basis, nor to start threads maligning its reputation

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Posted 2011-06-09 20:57:38

This "article" was written and posted on "Saturday, December 9, 2006". This isn't really any thing new that hasn't been discussed already. It is an inflammatory news article just based on the numbers presented. True there is a problem, but a bigger problem is in Cambodia as reported by John Walsh of "Americas Most Wanted" last year.

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Posted 2011-06-09 22:34:58

I have never witnessed any child prostitutes in Thailand. Maybe its because that I don`t go looking for it, but I have never met or know anyone else who has seen them either. Or is this all done discretely behind closed doors?

So I find it extremely difficult to believe that the problems of underage prostitution in Thailand are as serious as claimed in the reports.

Maybe some of you know better with some real facts because I don`t know for sure.

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Posted 2011-06-09 22:42:45

True there is a problem, but a bigger problem is in Cambodia as reported by John Walsh of "Americas Most Wanted" last year.


I dispute this. The Western media tend to fly into Cambodia for a couple of days, see what they want to see (older Western men with their own mixed-race children, or young-looking 20 year old bar girls for example), record some sensationalist and appallingly-researched footage and then fly out again.

Things have changed quite dramatically in Cambodia in the last 3 or 4 years. White, male pedophiles are (quite rightly) actively pursued by a number of NGOs here, and their strategies have included campaigns to involve schools, tuk-tuk drivers and guest house employees in the investigative process (I will not here get into some of the more insidious modi operandi of one or two of these NGOs).

Nowadays as a white Western male child-abuser you stand a better chance of avoiding detection in your hometown in the West than in Cambodia. This is fairly widely known and many of the perpetrators have moved on to less risky pastures. I am not suggesting the problem of Western pedophiles has been completely eradicated, but it no longer occurs on anywhere near the same scale as it did five or so years ago.

Of course, the number of Westerners involved in the abuse of children pales into insignificance when compared to the huge number of Asians - locals, Chinese, Koreans and Japanese - doing the same, and often in even more disturbing circumstances (child brothels etc). This is totally ignored by the Western NGOs and media as (1) there is no mileage or funding in it, and (2) they are aware that taking on a well-connected local will likely result in someone propping up the foundations of the latest tower block.

Edited by Rumpole, 2011-06-09 22:56:31.


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Posted 2011-06-09 22:49:27



What is the toal number of kids under 16 in Thailand ?

I just got some figures from Wikipedia ( not perfect I know ) which came from the CIA World Factbook . ( they might be totally wrong but they should still show what a load of rubbish this article is ). It states that from 0-14 years of age the population of females ( I'm presumimg they will make up most of the prostitutes ) is 6,466,225. stick on another 500,000 or so for the rest top make it up to those under sixteen and you can see that the numbers just don't add up.

So 800,000 kids out of 7 million or so are under age prostitutes !!!! This is absolute <deleted> and whoever spreads this kind of rubbish for their own religous purposes should be rounded up and...........................up to you.

Not saying it doesn't happen but on this scale ....

Don't think so.




To be frank whether it's 800,000, 80,000 or even 8,000, underage sex or calling it for what it is, child abuse and exploitation is a major problem here. No other country has prostitution of all forms on such an industrial scale, to Thailand's eternal shame. While the figutres may be exaggerated in the OP, the problem is not, the complacency about it is not, the ignorance of the scale of the problem is not, and the unwillingness of the authorities (for a whole host of reasons) to enforce the law is not exaggerated.

This issue has been discussed with particular reference to Chiang Mai on that forum, in some detail and the link is below:

Darker Side of CM


But, as you highlight, this is just a sensational issue raised with a view to attacking the sex industry generally in Thailand. I am not really sure about eternal shame, but I accept that you may cast opprobium at the nation ceaselessly until you die, based on your own values and prejudices.

There was a very serious case of organised child abuse centred around Belgium a few years back, as I recall. However, I would hesitate to castigate the entire nation on that basis, nor to start threads maligning its reputation

SC


Child abuse anywhere, be it Belgium, the Catholic church in the US or Thailand, should offend anyone's values. Both the cases in Belgium and in the US triggered embarrassment and horror both home and abroad. If a country or organisation cannot, or will not protect its children, there is something very wrong.

No country is clean in respect of child abuse but at least most countries do (sometimes too late) something about it and prosecute those involved.

"maligning it's reputation" was a comment that made me laugh as Thailand's reputation is to some considerable degree built on the ready access to sex in whatever form is required. Asian and western tourists flock here exactly because of this reputation. The money involved in catering to this market just ensures that laws remain unenforced (apart from the occasional bust of some sad old farang), and the business, including child abuse, continues.

Many Thai friends of mine are disgusted and embarrassed by the situation here. Hopefully, without exaggeration or melodrama, the situation can be dragged out into the open and eventually be addressed.

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Posted 2011-06-10 07:20:11


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But, as you highlight, this is just a sensational issue raised with a view to attacking the sex industry generally in Thailand. I am not really sure about eternal shame, but I accept that you may cast opprobium at the nation ceaselessly until you die, based on your own values and prejudices.

There was a very serious case of organised child abuse centred around Belgium a few years back, as I recall. However, I would hesitate to castigate the entire nation on that basis, nor to start threads maligning its reputation

SC


Child abuse anywhere, be it Belgium, the Catholic church in the US or Thailand, should offend anyone's values. Both the cases in Belgium and in the US triggered embarrassment and horror both home and abroad. If a country or organisation cannot, or will not protect its children, there is something very wrong.

No country is clean in respect of child abuse but at least most countries do (sometimes too late) something about it and prosecute those involved.

"maligning it's reputation" was a comment that made me laugh as Thailand's reputation is to some considerable degree built on the ready access to sex in whatever form is required. Asian and western tourists flock here exactly because of this reputation. The money involved in catering to this market just ensures that laws remain unenforced (apart from the occasional bust of some sad old farang), and the business, including child abuse, continues.

Many Thai friends of mine are disgusted and embarrassed by the situation here. Hopefully, without exaggeration or melodrama, the situation can be dragged out into the open and eventually be addressed.


So you agree, though, that
a) paedophilia is abhorrent to all decent people
B ) your target is prostitution in Thailand, because it offends you and your friends.

By portraying a link between the two, you may be able to use a) to achieve B ).

Apart from one poster offering the advice that paedophiles are probably safer in their own countries than in Cambodia (possibly a blanket generalisation, but possibly useful advice), and the supporting anecdotal facts offered by that poster, I have seen nothing constructive in this thread, nor anything new. There was some anecdotal material maligning other Asian nations' tourists in the same post, but even that seemed to be simply the airing of old prejudices.

SC

EDIT: While in principle, I agree with BJuice on this story, I suppose we are not likely to notice anything that is not marketed towards us, and we could find (or invent) all sorts of 'underground' or 'secret' problems - freemasonry, for example.

Edited by sbk, 2011-06-10 10:00:54.


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Posted 2011-06-10 08:47:26


What is the toal number of kids under 16 in Thailand ?

I just got some figures from Wikipedia ( not perfect I know ) which came from the CIA World Factbook . ( they might be totally wrong but they should still show what a load of rubbish this article is ). It states that from 0-14 years of age the population of females ( I'm presumimg they will make up most of the prostitutes ) is 6,466,225. stick on another 500,000 or so for the rest top make it up to those under sixteen and you can see that the numbers just don't add up.

So 800,000 kids out of 7 million or so are under age prostitutes !!!! This is absolute <deleted> and whoever spreads this kind of rubbish for their own religous purposes should be rounded up and...........................up to you.

Not saying it doesn't happen but on this scale ....

Don't think so.


To be frank whether it's 800,000, 80,000 or even 8,000, underage sex or calling it for what it is, child abuse and exploitation is a major problem here. No other country has prostitution of all forms on such an industrial scale, to Thailand's eternal shame. While the figutres may be exaggerated in the OP, the problem is not, the complacency about it is not, the ignorance of the scale of the problem is not, and the unwillingness of the authorities (for a whole host of reasons) to enforce the law is not exaggerated.

This issue has been discussed with particular reference to Chiang Mai on that forum, in some detail and the link is below:

Darker Side of CM

not saying it isn't an issue here but when people come up with total <deleted> statistics to further their own agenda then there is something wrong with that. Why couldn't they just use a more accurate figure.

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Posted 2011-06-10 08:48:50



From the tone of the post, speaking of "blame" for Thai cultural sex practices, and the link to a religious website, seems they are using the child sex hot button to appose prostitution in general.


I agree and even when Thailand was wide open with prostitution everywhere, have never seen "10 or 12 year old girls" selling themselves in Thai brothers or anywhere else for that matter.


While you may not have witnessed it (neither have I), this does not mean that the sexual abuse of children is absent from Thailand. Tragically it does exist and on a scale that few of us can comprehend. Child abuse is not just a "hot button" issue, it is a fact of life in LOS.


are we talking about child abuse or prostituiton here ?

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Posted 2011-06-10 09:24:11

Last Year 53


17 Year Old Female Pimp Caught with Young Prostitutes
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17 seems a little young to start on a vocation as a pimp, but that's exactly the career path chosen by a young woman arrested Tuesday evening by the Chonburi Immigration Police. The immigration officers, supervised by the Superintendent of Chonburi Immigration Pol. Col. Atisawit Gamonrat, arrested the teen at the top of Soi 12 off Central Pattaya Rd after being informed that this young lady had established a thriving business providing young girls, most between 15 and 17, to tourists and foreign residents. She also claimed to have a number of local government officials as customers, but declined to name them, perhaps holding back for some bargaining power.


++++ http://www.pattayapeople.com ++++


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Posted 2011-06-10 09:25:24



What is the toal number of kids under 16 in Thailand ?

I just got some figures from Wikipedia ( not perfect I know ) which came from the CIA World Factbook . ( they might be totally wrong but they should still show what a load of rubbish this article is ). It states that from 0-14 years of age the population of females ( I'm presumimg they will make up most of the prostitutes ) is 6,466,225. stick on another 500,000 or so for the rest top make it up to those under sixteen and you can see that the numbers just don't add up.

So 800,000 kids out of 7 million or so are under age prostitutes !!!! This is absolute <deleted> and whoever spreads this kind of rubbish for their own religous purposes should be rounded up and...........................up to you.

Not saying it doesn't happen but on this scale ....

Don't think so.


To be frank whether it's 800,000, 80,000 or even 8,000, underage sex or calling it for what it is, child abuse and exploitation is a major problem here. No other country has prostitution of all forms on such an industrial scale, to Thailand's eternal shame. While the figutres may be exaggerated in the OP, the problem is not, the complacency about it is not, the ignorance of the scale of the problem is not, and the unwillingness of the authorities (for a whole host of reasons) to enforce the law is not exaggerated.

This issue has been discussed with particular reference to Chiang Mai on that forum, in some detail and the link is below:

Darker Side of CM

not saying it isn't an issue here but when people come up with total <deleted> statistics to further their own agenda then there is something wrong with that. Why couldn't they just use a more accurate figure.



Quite agree. Exaggeration does little to advance the issue. It just allows people to highlight the statistical nonsense, whilst ignoring the real issue.

Sadly many NGOs and religious groups "over-egg" the cake in whatever issue they are focused on to get media attention - the tabloid effect so to speak- which is ultimately counterproductive.







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