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#51 jfchandler

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Posted 2011-08-23 13:15:58

Daiwill above appears to be confusing 90 day reports with visa extensions of stay...

There is no 1900 baht charge for 90 day reports, no charge at all, of course.

There is a 1900 baht charge for extensions of stay, which presumably was what he was doing.

#52 lopburi3

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Posted 2011-08-23 13:16:33

I made my 90 day report, 9 days early, today at Chiang Watanna. No change and no indication of any change pending. Arrived 0945 and 22 waiting ahead of me - submitted passport/TM.47/TM.47 receipt from previous report after 20 minute wait - five minutes later received passport and new TM.47 receipt and proceeded to do my banking transactions downstairs.

#53 terryq

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Posted 2011-08-23 15:16:21

Just did my 90 day notification today at Maptaphut. TM47 only given. Nothing else offered or asked for.

However did not get the tear off Notification Receipt, instead,after doing a quick check of my passport, permitted date and name
page, the officer clipped a small photocopied note to it and handed it back.

All done in less than a minute.

For info said note reproduced below..(pls dont pull me up on the spelling ofBaht, its spelt bath on the paper in my passport.

. Notice
TO NOTIFY STAYING LONGER THAN 90 DAYS

The ALIEN permitted to stay longer in the Kingdom must
notify your place of residence to the Immigration office
every 90 days. In case of application for extension of
temporary stay in the Kingdom by TM7 you have
notified your place of residence the first time.

Any Alien who fails to comply with, will be punish with
fine not exceeding 5,000 bath and with an additional fine
not exceeding 200 bath for each day which passes until the
law is complied with.
ACCORDING TO IMMIGRATION ACT B.E2522 SECTION 76
To Notify again on 21 Nov 2011
Signed
END OF NOTE

Just a thought, there doesnt seem to be a maximum fine quoted,if they start enforcing it fully could be a big problem for long term overstayers since they
would not have been reporting either.

Terry

#54 jfchandler

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Posted 2011-08-23 15:47:44

In case of application for extension of
temporary stay in the Kingdom by TM7 you have
notified your place of residence the first time.


The highlighted part in the above-quoted 90-Day Report receipt notice is a good reminder to everyone...

I had a longtime resident friend the other day bemoaning his thinking that the process of doing one's annual extension of stay ought to be automatically counted by Immigration as a valid 90-Day Report.

Unfortunately, Immigration doesn't see it that way, and only counts a person's FIRST extension of stay as a 90 Day Report. Thus for all subsequent reporting, separate 90 Day Reports are required on their own schedule, regardless of the timing of one's annual extensions.

Nicely the other day, Immigration at Bumrungrad Hospital's special 3rd Saturday of the month clinic allowed me to submit my TM47 form (along with extension of stay and re-entry permit applications) about three weeks ahead of my 90 Day Report due date... whereas the normal advance lead time allowed is 15 days. I was, however, within the 30 day advance period of my final permission to stay date.

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Posted 2011-08-23 19:26:23

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"I recently went to Immigration in Khon Kaen, for what was supposed to be a 90 day report ... At no time where any of these supposed new requirements mentioned or asked for during this visit"

"four days ago,when I made my 90-day, Khon Kaen had this new ... rule enforced"

Interesting! Two conflicting reports from the same Immigration office where Expats had a different result. Apparently validates the theory that your result will vary with whatever direction the wind is blowing, or the mood of the moment of the Immigration Agent.

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Reading daiwill`s post,I get the impression,that he mix up the 90-day with something else. Pay 1900 Baht every time for 90-day report!? Certainly something very new...!!

#56 Gaccha

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Posted 2011-08-23 19:56:24

--Today, when I did my in-person 90-day reporting at the mobile Immigration set-up at Bumrungrad Hospital, I signed two sets of those photocopies... one set clearly for my retirement extension. But now that I rethink it, the second set probably was for my re-entry permit... and NOT for my 90-day reporting...



The What!!!???

Can anybody use this service? What costs are there? Is it always at Bumrumgrad? Are there anymore of these?

Ever since the 'One Stop Shop' banned regular users for its extremely convenient location, I ahve had to make the epic trek to Chaeng Wattana. Are you saying I can just pop over to Bumrumgrad???

Thank you in advance. I am now praying to thine Gods.

#57 lopburi3

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Posted 2011-08-23 20:00:50

Immigration is there one day a month (maybe - until December) for general use. Believe hospital will handle 90 day reports at normal 500 baht per trip fee at other times but not sure on that.

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Posted 2011-08-23 20:05:14

Just a thought, there doesnt seem to be a maximum fine quoted,if they start enforcing it fully could be a big problem for long term overstayers since they
would not have been reporting either.

Terry


There is a maximum fine quoted; 5000 baht.

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Posted 2011-08-23 20:05:32

Immigration is there one day a month (maybe - until December) for general use. Believe hospital will handle 90 day reports at normal 500 baht per trip fee at other times but not sure on that.


wow... **jaw-dropped** That saves 6 hours.

#60 snarky66

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Posted 2011-08-23 20:09:37

The What!!!???

Can anybody use this service? What costs are there? Is it always at Bumrumgrad? Are there anymore of these?

Ever since the 'One Stop Shop' banned regular users for its extremely convenient location, I ahve had to make the epic trek to Chaeng Wattana. Are you saying I can just pop over to Bumrumgrad???

Thank you in advance. I am now praying to thine Gods.


Well documented HERE

#61 snarky66

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Posted 2011-08-23 20:13:14

JFC. Allow me to clarify. What I said was " You go to Imm & renew your yearly permit to stay." 90 days later you do your first 90 day report. 180 days in you do your second 90 day report. At 270 days in you do your 3rd 90 day report (all this assumes the person never leaves the Kingdom). At 365 days it's time to renew your permit to stay. And you told me IMM want a 90 day report at that time & I commented that this makes no sense since your address is on the paperwork required to renew the permit to stay.

Absolutely insane.

#62 lopburi3

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Posted 2011-08-23 20:37:19

JFC. Allow me to clarify. What I said was " You go to Imm & renew your yearly permit to stay." 90 days later you do your first 90 day report. 180 days in you do your second 90 day report. At 270 days in you do your 3rd 90 day report (all this assumes the person never leaves the Kingdom). At 365 days it's time to renew your permit to stay. And you told me IMM want a 90 day report at that time & I commented that this makes no sense since your address is on the paperwork required to renew the permit to stay.

Absolutely insane.

The office that requires 90 day reports is not the same as those that do extensions of stay in Bangkok and the rule is only the first application for extension of stay counts as an address report (no TM.47 required). Thereafter you must file TM.47 to report.

#63 lopburi3

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Posted 2011-08-23 20:42:35


Just a thought, there doesnt seem to be a maximum fine quoted,if they start enforcing it fully could be a big problem for long term overstayers since they
would not have been reporting either.

Terry


There is a maximum fine quoted; 5000 baht.

But there is no limit placed on the 200 baht per day additional fine per below direct quote from Immigration Act of 2522. Believe it is designed to apply to anyone who refuses to pay regular fine (from that day) but it is not clear when/how/if it would be used.

Section 76 : Any alien, alien, who fails to comply with the provisions of Section 37(2),(3),(4)or(5) shall be
punished with a fine not exceeding 5,000 Baht and with and additional fine not exceeding 200 Baht for
each day which passes until the law is complied with.



#64 jfchandler

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Posted 2011-08-23 22:38:04

Immigration is there one day a month (maybe - until December) for general use. Believe hospital will handle 90 day reports at normal 500 baht per trip fee at other times but not sure on that.


Regarding the question above on this, there's a separate TV thread here on Bangkok Mobile Immigration services started by TV member Todd Daniels... It includes the details on the two mobile locations currently available in Bangkok, a place in the KSRoad area on the second Saturdays of each month and Bumrungrad Hospital on the third Saturday of each month...

My full report on my recent visit to Bumrungrad last Sat. is posted in that thread, including the conversation with the Immigration supervisor of the mobile unit saying that those two services are only slated to continue thru December... After that... who knows... She said they have no plans at present to continue beyond December....

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__4638052

As for fees, from my experience, if you prepare all your documents yourself and don't ask the hospital staff to get involved, then the only fees you pay at Bumrungrad are the regular Immigration dictated fees you'd pay at Chaeng Wattana or anywhere else.

The Bumrungrad clinic is open to anyone...not just Bumrungrad patients. But as you can read from my report in the other thread, apparently sometimes, it takes some convincing to remind certain Immigration staff of that.

Edited by jfchandler, 2011-08-23 22:41:29.


#65 jfchandler

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Posted 2011-08-23 22:48:46

wow... **jaw-dropped** That saves 6 hours.


The Immigration staff are supposed to be showing up there on the designated Saturday at 9 am... but at least lately since members here have been using and reporting on their experiences there, Immigration regularly has been showing up late...

Last Saturday, both Immigration and the hospital confirmed earlier in the week they were supposed to be there and open starting at 9 am... Perhaps predictably, no one from Immigration showed up until 10 am.... Though the supervisor there told me their ongoing starting time still is supposed to be 9. (They apparently were late the month before as well, based on reports from members who were there that day).

Once Immigration arrived at 10 am... I was done and out by 11 am with my annual extension of stay, re-entry permit and 90-day report all under my belt.

Curiously, Immigration appears to be doing absolutely nothing to publicize or promote these mobile services in the farang community that would use them. Perhaps that's because they're not planning to continue them anyway.

Edited by jfchandler, 2011-08-23 22:49:30.


#66 Phatcharanan

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Posted 2011-08-23 23:11:56

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or the mood of the moment of the Immigration Agent.[/size]
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Hasn't it always been like this? :)

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Posted 2011-08-24 00:52:26

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" Pay 1900 Baht every time for 90-day report!? Certainly something very new...!"

Maybe, or might be what's commonly referred to as "Tea Money" (possibly it wasn't actually used to buy Tea) . . . :cheesy:

On my first first application for a retirement extension of my "O" Visa - The nice lady who had the job of approving or rejecting it explained my responsibilities in detail. As she was finishing and telling me to come back in the afternoon to pick up my passport, she told me to bring something else-- but I couldn't understand what she was saying.

In a case like this, my standard response is to take a paper and pen and ask the Thai speaker to spell whatever it is they they're trying to say. She proceeded as I slowly wrote the letters B L A C K L A B E L -- I said "you want me to bring a bottle of liquor?" - She said "Yes, and my boss will approve your Retirement Visa". Needless to say, I complied.

Later, a friend told me that had been a regular practice but was supposed to have been stopped a couple of years ago. Welcome to LOS, Mr. Newbie . . .
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Edited by SurfRider, 2011-08-24 01:08:12.


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Posted 2011-08-24 03:12:51

Reading daiwill`s post,I get the impression,that he mix up the 90-day with something else. Pay 1900 Baht every time for 90-day report!? Certainly something very new...!!

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" Pay 1900 Baht every time for 90-day report!? Certainly something very new...!"

Maybe, or might be what's commonly referred to as "Tea Money" (possibly it wasn't actually used to buy Tea) . . . :cheesy:
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Yes, daiwill obviously got things mixed up. See this post earlier in this topic:

Daiwill above appears to be confusing 90 day reports with visa extensions of stay...

There is no 1900 baht charge for 90 day reports, no charge at all, of course.

There is a 1900 baht charge for extensions of stay, which presumably was what he was doing.

Mystery solved. Some people, like those studying Thai at a private school, need an extension of stay costing 1,900 Baht every 90 days. What is commonly referred to in this forum as the "90 day report" is the "Notification of staying in the Kingdom over 90 days" with form TM.47 and this is free of charge. For the student of Thai language, this report of staying over 90 days and the application for extension of stay with form TM.7 are often due on the same date and thus can be done on the same visit to immigration.

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Posted 2011-08-24 08:12:43

JFC. Allow me to clarify. What I said was " You go to Imm & renew your yearly permit to stay." 90 days later you do your first 90 day report. 180 days in you do your second 90 day report. At 270 days in you do your 3rd 90 day report (all this assumes the person never leaves the Kingdom). At 365 days it's time to renew your permit to stay. And you told me IMM want a 90 day report at that time & I commented that this makes no sense since your address is on the paperwork required to renew the permit to stay.

Absolutely insane.


Agreed, absolutely insane.

I fell foul of that rule once, I might add on the advice of an IO who told me that I didn't need to do a report as I had just extended, and it cost me 2000 Baht. They simply were not interested in any reasoning, like if I had travelled here and queued for many hours to do my extension why would I not report to another desk and get a little bit of paper? They would not budge, and I had to pay the 2000 Baht, they pointed out it's on their website, which it is, I can remember thinking it's probably one of the few rules that is up to date on their site.

Edited by theoldgit, 2011-08-24 08:13:06.


#70 jfchandler

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Posted 2011-08-24 09:55:44

Maestro, I thought the poster below was indicating he is an employed teacher... not a student....

Mystery solved. Some people, like those studying Thai at a private school, need an extension of stay costing 1,900 Baht every 90 days.


As a teacher in a University Satit school , I recently went to Immigration in Khon Kaen for what was supposed to be a 90 day report. As it happened , due to the policy of the University I work in, to get all the contracts of their farang employees renewed at the same time ( september/ october), my contract is due for renewal at the end of September, therefore i was only given 50 days on my visa, as opposed to 90 days, 1900 bht khop khun krap sir.

Must admit since joining the Uni as an employee, I have had to go to KK Immigration on two occasions now...

Welcome to the LOS Sir and thank you for teaching our kids.


Edited by jfchandler, 2011-08-24 10:04:50.


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Posted 2011-08-26 14:43:44

I made my 90 day report, 9 days early, today at Chiang Watanna. No change and no indication of any change pending. Arrived 0945 and 22 waiting ahead of me - submitted passport/TM.47/TM.47 receipt from previous report after 20 minute wait - five minutes later received passport and new TM.47 receipt and proceeded to do my banking transactions downstairs.


Ditto for me today/26 Aug 11, at Chaeng Wattana/Bangkok Immigration. Just handed the immigration officer three documents: (1) the completed TM47 form, (2) TM47 receipt from previous reporting and (3) passport with arrival/departure card stapled inside.

When I got to the 90 day address reporting office there were 21 people ahead of me according to my queue ticket number....watched all these folks ahead of me handover the same three documents....nothing more. Didn't see any notices on the wall or TV flatscreen about any new requiremens....in fact, the TV was playing a patriotic Thai video where normally it's playing instructions on how to accomplish 90 day reporting. And as mentioned, I just handed over those three documents, sat back down for about 5 minutes, and then they called me to pickup my passport with new TM47 receipt....out the door I went about 25 minutes after walking in the office.

Only thing different today compared to the last two times was I had to hand in my documents, set back down, and give them about 5 minutes to process everything....the previous two times I handed in my documents, stood at the counter while they immediately processed every thing, and handed back my passport and new TM47 receipt. But today they did seem a little short of their normal staffing level.

Summary: at least for me (and the 21 people ahead of me) no change experienced in documents required to accomplish 90 day address report at Bangkok Immigration. Maybe the new procedures posted at some offices are really optional depending on how each office administers the 90 day reporting....I expect some offices are more IT automated than others which might mininize paperwork requirements...and/or some offices just like collecting more paperwork to recycle/sell. Your results may vary.

#72 samtam

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Posted 2011-09-05 15:56:38

No change in documents required for 90 day report by mail at Chaengwattana in Bangkok.

Sent my documents -

photocopies of:
- passport information page
- extension of stay stamp
- last entry stamp
- arrival card
original:
- TM. 47

on 19 August for 26 August report date.
Received new "Receipt of Notification" back on 3 September.

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Posted 2011-09-05 16:30:42

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The new 90-Day reporting requirements are DEFINITELY in effect at Chonburi (Pattaya) Immigration.

The information was published in the Pattaya City Expats Club's Newsletters on August 4 & 11 including a list of documents needed. It has been on the PCEC Website since August 9th. It appears their website was the source of the "Pattaya One" Breaking-News story.

[ Really nice of Thai Immigration to give everyone a heads-up . . . :bah: ]
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No it's not. My wife went there this morning to do my 90 day report armed only with my passport and the completed TM 47. In and out in 10 minutes.

#74 SurfRider

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Posted 2011-09-05 18:31:22

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"My wife went there this morning to do my 90 day report armed only with my passport and the completed TM 47. In and out in 10 minutes"

She wouldn't happen to be Thai, would she? . . . :lol:

It would be interesting to see what hoops a Farang would have been required to jump through.
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#75 mallyrd

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Posted 2011-09-05 18:50:50

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"My wife went there this morning to do my 90 day report armed only with my passport and the completed TM 47. In and out in 10 minutes"

She wouldn't happen to be Thai, would she? . . . :lol:

It would be interesting to see what hoops a Farang would have been required to jump through.
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