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#51 londoedan

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Posted 2011-09-02 07:32:50

It's all down to personal circumstances afaic. We're based in the UK and fly out to Thailand for four or five weeks at a time. We simply don't get the week of 'jetlag' fatigue from flying in business (and the associated loss of quality time at each end through said 'jetlag'). so it's worth it for us.



If you can afford it go for it.

However I'd think that the price difference would go an awfully long way in Thailand e.g. I could probably buy the best part of a new motorbike for the price difference between a Qatar Airways Economy and Business Class seat. And such a gift would certainly get me some quality time with my latest teelak :rolleyes:

Joking aside, I'm fairly tall but if you drink well (water), get-up and walk around a bit now and then and sleep when you can, jetlag and fatigue from a long flight is not too bad.

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Posted 2011-09-02 07:55:14

However I'd think that the price difference would go an awfully long way in Thailand e.g. I could probably buy the best part of a new motorbike for the price difference between a Qatar Airways Economy and Business Class seat.


Interesting comparison, I've actually priced flights back to the UK on Thai, Business Class was 103,000 Baht more expensive than steerage, so you could actually buy two motorbikes, puts it into perspective a bit.

That said, I would fly Business Class every time if I could afford to, have had my share of screaming babies in Business though.

Edited by theoldgit, 2011-09-02 08:02:41.


#53 londoedan

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Posted 2011-09-02 08:10:51


However I'd think that the price difference would go an awfully long way in Thailand e.g. I could probably buy the best part of a new motorbike for the price difference between a Qatar Airways Economy and Business Class seat.


Interesting comparison, I've actually priced flights back to the UK on Thai, Business Class was 103,000 Baht more expensive than steerage, so you could actually buy two motorbikes, puts it into perspective a bit.

That said, I would fly Business Class every time if I could afford to, have had my share of screaming babies in Business though.


If memory servers me correct, Qatar to LHR economy (with restrictions) is between 25 and 30K, whereas Business Class seats on the same route is about 70 to 80K. I've flown with Qatar quite a lot over the last couple of years and I like them a lot.

A more sensible comparison might be that not including apartment rent, I could happily live in Pattaya for a month on the difference :)

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Posted 2011-09-02 08:59:04

There's business class and then there's business class. Glad to know that the OP realizes the carrier (especially avoiding usa metal) will probably make a great deal of difference in the experience and the sense of value. I travel a lot, own a small company that requires it, and even though I might get slammed here for attitude, there is no way I would willingly spend more than a couple of hours in coach. I've put in my years in the back and as I look at it, the wear and tear on me for the long-hauls at this point is a liability for my business and keeping myself comfortable and generally happy in Business or First on a good airline is a benefit I frankly deserve given the hours I put in and risks I take professionally. Obviously you can buy a bottle of Krug and a tin of caviar and sit in your armchair for as long as you like for substantially less than the cost of those amenities on a long-haul, but to borrow a catchphrase from several of the airlines, it's not just getting there, it's the "experience".

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Posted 2011-09-02 09:22:09

I think it is no problem to fly Economy if you are going for a holiday once a year, but if you have to use airplanes like others use a bus you can only stand it in Business. Frequent flying in Economy ruins your health.....

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Posted 2011-09-02 09:41:07

Is It Worth It To Fly Business Class

it all depends on the contents of your wallet.


Mine contains money, ATM and credit cards, but while comfortable, I still don't think business class is worth the money. If I had ailing health I would likely think differently.

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Posted 2011-09-02 09:41:57

I have been flying Emerites for the past few years and because of the accumulation of frequent flyer points i can't afford to change. They also keep me interested with upgrade offers to Business class for a minor amount, without spending points, but offers a access to the business lounge and most of the other benifits except flyer points at Business class rates and the limo service. This is good business for them as it keeps me happy and they resell my seat in cattle class for much more than it costs them to bump me up to an empty business class seat.
Unless i had much more money i could not afford Business Class in my present circumstances. But i know i would if i could. When i am siting there with a screen twice the size of a economy screen , with noise reducing headphones and in a seat that is triple the comfort level of cattle class then it is worth it. I often think that this is the way all airflight should be.

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Posted 2011-09-02 09:49:13



Up to 4 years ago I used economy.When I left the plane on the last economy flight I got a stroke.For me it is worthwhile to fly business class where I can stretch out.

It's your diet and lifestyle that caused the stroke, not flying in Coach!

Maybe use the extra $$ spent on Business Class airfares consulting a professional dietitian and getting a yearly full medical exam?

How would you know.I do not smoke nor drink alkohol and I eat mostly fruit and vegetables and work out and I have a yearly full medical exam.The mistake was I did not move around as I had a middle seat and is was very cramped.Next time do not assume things.

Maybe you should fortify your days with at least 1 glass of red wine, brew your own coffee in the mornings and have a decent cigar after your twice-monthly prime rib dinner. Then you won't need to worry about moving around too much on your flights. Avoiding alcohol and cigarettes while eating 'mostly' rabbit food and walking up and down the stairs doesn't make a hill of beans if you don't consider your age, physiology and family history of coronary disease. Seriously.

Flying Coach almost killed you? Flying Business Class is going to save your life? I still don't buy it.

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Posted 2011-09-02 10:02:22

discussing "business vs. cattle class" does not provide any insight and is as superfluous as discussions whether the tits of a nun serve a valid purpose.

:jap:

p.s. for many years i preferred flying "first". but because the fare is nowadays paid from my own pocket i grind my teeth and fly business except when there are special offers for first. and of course i never refuse an upgrade from business to first (which happens regularly on Qatar for two sectors when flying four sectors).

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Posted 2011-09-02 10:23:56

I have been flying Emerites for the past few years and because of the accumulation of frequent flyer points i can't afford to change. They also keep me interested with upgrade offers to Business class for a minor amount, without spending points, but offers a access to the business lounge and most of the other benefits except flyer points at Business class rates and the limo service. This is good business for them as it keeps me happy and they resell my seat in cattle class for much more than it costs them to bump me up to an empty business class seat.
Unless i had much more money i could not afford Business Class in my present circumstances. But i know i would if i could. When i am siting there with a screen twice the size of a economy screen , with noise reducing headphones and in a seat that is triple the comfort level of cattle class then it is worth it. I often think that this is the way all airflight should be.

Good point indeed! A well-managed frequent flier program where one gets regularly 'bumped upstairs' makes for good customer loyalty and harder for another airline to poach the happy customer. Before Air France bought KLM, I was Gold status for several consecutive years with the latter as was doing at least 6000 miles/month with them between North America and the middle east flying Coach. Towards the end, I was pretty much assured at least one sector of a round-trip would see me moved up a class. Unfortunately, the Air France buyout brought some changes such as making most award travel to/from Europe have at least one leg routing through Paris CDG... no thanks! I still use mostly KL to Scotland and manage to get Silver status every other year but now that I am ROP Gold with TG and the terminal change through Heathrow isn't too traumatic, THAI might get half my business and keep me Gold. My TG ROP Gold status came from a few long-haul flights to New Zealand and regular regional flights but stays topped up mostly with TG domestic flights.

Similarly, I used UA pretty much exclusively for flights to the US and was consistently Silver until they screwed up badly, charged me twice for the same ticket through a combination of THEIR ticketing rules, THEIR unobservant gate clerk at SFO and THEIR reservation system limitations. Their customer service (in India) is a joke. The only downsides to the alternatives are TG using the abysmal LAX gateway and CO (now with Star Alliance AND bought by <deleted>' UA) having piss-poor seating (no Premium Economy) on it's loooooong flights to Narita.

Edited by NanLaew, 2011-09-02 10:29:57.


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Posted 2011-09-02 10:33:41

It's all down to personal circumstances afaic. We're based in the UK and fly out to Thailand for four or five weeks at a time. We simply don't get the week of 'jetlag' fatigue from flying in business (and the associated loss of quality time at each end through said 'jetlag'). so it's worth it for us.


Sorry but who has jetlag for a week ??

To me its a total myth anyway and dont experience any reaction either way but accept Im maybe lucky.

If you're experiencing jetlag for a week its nothing to do with a flight but general lifestyle ??

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Posted 2011-09-02 11:59:50

Quite easy for someone who flies rarely to feel jet-lag for the best part of a week if you are flying 15 hours or more. when I worked those of us who flew regularly felt it for a day or two only (the wanting to fall asleep in meetings and the upset stomach syndrome) and of course we would never even admit to that!

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Posted 2011-09-02 12:30:03


It's all down to personal circumstances afaic. We're based in the UK and fly out to Thailand for four or five weeks at a time. We simply don't get the week of 'jetlag' fatigue from flying in business (and the associated loss of quality time at each end through said 'jetlag'). so it's worth it for us.


Sorry but who has jetlag for a week ??

To me its a total myth anyway and dont experience any reaction either way but accept Im maybe lucky.

If you're experiencing jetlag for a week its nothing to do with a flight but general lifestyle ??



To be fair, flying West to East, going across 7-8 time zones can screw-up your body-clock, no matter how fit you are. Anyone who has been up at 2-3-4-5 am in an Eastern hotel will know what I mean. And it can last for a week until your body adjusts.

Never seems to affect me flying E to W though.

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Posted 2011-09-02 12:54:52

Totally worth it. Although this is just another thread along the lines 'how much do you need to live comfortably in.....' It'll depend on the individual. For me I more often question whether first class is worth it and will tend to stick with business class. Economy spacing and service is out of the question though.

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#65 mdechgan

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Posted 2011-09-02 12:59:57

It depends on the price. If no more than 50% more than ok. If double price not worth it unless you are a big person and need the space.

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Posted 2011-09-02 14:40:07




Up to 4 years ago I used economy.When I left the plane on the last economy flight I got a stroke.For me it is worthwhile to fly business class where I can stretch out.

It's your diet and lifestyle that caused the stroke, not flying in Coach!

Maybe use the extra $ spent on Business Class airfares consulting a professional dietitian and getting a yearly full medical exam?

How would you know.I do not smoke nor drink alkohol and I eat mostly fruit and vegetables and work out and I have a yearly full medical exam.The mistake was I did not move around as I had a middle seat and is was very cramped.Next time do not assume things.

Maybe you should fortify your days with at least 1 glass of red wine, brew your own coffee in the mornings and have a decent cigar after your twice-monthly prime rib dinner. Then you won't need to worry about moving around too much on your flights. Avoiding alcohol and cigarettes while eating 'mostly' rabbit food and walking up and down the stairs doesn't make a hill of beans if you don't consider your age, physiology and family history of coronary disease. Seriously.

Flying Coach almost killed you? Flying Business Class is going to save your life? I still don't buy it.

I did not claim flying coach almost killed me.I said I got a stroke probably a blood clot formed because no leg movement cramped seating.And I never claimed business class is saving my life and I do not care what you buy.

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Posted 2011-09-02 18:05:38

For years now, I have been flying EVA Air business/Premium Laurel class because I need the leg room.
I am 2 meters long and already had thrombosis in my leg from sitting in Economy too long.
I have to inject myself with Clexane every time I fly to Thailand.
I can afford it and, for me, it's a question of health.
Of course, the other benefits are nice as well: separate check-in, baggage allowance and priority handling, VIP lounge, etc.

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Posted 2011-09-02 18:45:16

For years now, I have been flying EVA Air business/Premium Laurel class because I need the leg room.
I am 2 meters long and already had thrombosis in my leg from sitting in Economy too long.
I have to inject myself with Clexane every time I fly to Thailand.
I can afford it and, for me, it's a question of health.
Of course, the other benefits are nice as well: separate check-in, baggage allowance and priority handling, VIP lounge, etc.


EVA use the AA lounge at LHR which was nice. Had only used the SAS/Air Canada lounge before, but prefer the AA one. Great being able to have a shower/meal/view of the tarmac before the flight.

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Posted 2011-09-02 19:00:35

In my opinion its not worth it, but I always sleep the whole way. If I were awake during the flight I might have a different opinion...
But as a Danish billionaire once said, when he was asked why he always fly economy, he answered that he had tried business class, first class and even private jets but his experience were that he arrived at the same time as the economy passengers!

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Posted 2011-09-02 19:01:55

Of course the other great advantage for me, I usually fly Emirates or Etihad, is the limo service at Heathrow to my house in London, included in the BC fare.

And I usually need it after celebrating *not* having to share my space with obese ignorant people, and badly behaved sprogs, Posted Image




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Posted 2011-09-03 23:27:18

If you can afford it, fly business class. From start to finish it is a much better experience than flying economy.

If you need to balance the budget, ie a business class flight against a better hotel, then it depends on how long you are on vacation for. In my opinion, around 7 days, fly business class, 7 - 10 days it's 50/50, over 10 days, then fly economy and get the better hotel.

Why? There is no doubt that business class is a far more comfortable and enjoyable experience, your vacation really does start on the aircraft. ( All the normal caveats apply, ie you select a decent carrier in the first place ). On a "shortish" vacation you don't want to spend the first couple of days recovering from the flight. I think most posters here can recall horrific travel experiences in cattle class.

I lost a good friend at 37 years of age to a Deep Vein Thrombosis, and this young man wasn't short of cash. He was easily a dollar millionaire. DVT's, strokes and heart attacks are far more common after long haul flights than you would believe. Again many posters here can probably think of people they know that have suffered such incidents. I can name several. I'm not suggesting Business Class makes you immune from these problems, but DVT's are called " Economy Class Syndrome" for a reason.

So if you can, fly Business Class, and if you fly long haul economy, get up out of your seat at every opportunity.

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Posted 2011-09-04 01:00:16



It's all down to personal circumstances afaic. We're based in the UK and fly out to Thailand for four or five weeks at a time. We simply don't get the week of 'jetlag' fatigue from flying in business (and the associated loss of quality time at each end through said 'jetlag'). so it's worth it for us.


Sorry but who has jetlag for a week ??

To me its a total myth anyway and dont experience any reaction either way but accept Im maybe lucky.

If you're experiencing jetlag for a week its nothing to do with a flight but general lifestyle ??



To be fair, flying West to East, going across 7-8 time zones can screw-up your body-clock, no matter how fit you are. Anyone who has been up at 2-3-4-5 am in an Eastern hotel will know what I mean. And it can last for a week until your body adjusts.

Never seems to affect me flying E to W though.

Yeah, I know plenty of people who have the same experiences about flying W to E as opposed to E to W. But I'm not so lucky, and I know plenty of people (including my wife and mother) who have the same problem. But it's a problem much reduced by flying in business class. My wife doesn't drink much, but I eat and drink everything available to relieve the boredom (far more in bus than I ever did in coach) when I can't sleep.

The way I look at this for/against discussion: If you don't mind long haul economy, fine, it's more money to spend on other things. If you don't like long haul economy (and I hate it with a vengeance), why subject yourself to a bad experience (and it's an excruciatingly bad one for me) if you don't have to? For me, life's not long enough to be worth knowingly putting myself through bad experiences.

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Posted 2011-09-04 09:48:49

Sorry but who has jetlag for a week ??

To me its a total myth anyway


I have over 800 flights under my belt in a 40 years time frame and jet lag is worsening every year, thus I fly business class lately, a much much better experience :D

#74 bunnaag

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Posted 2011-09-04 13:54:44

If you can afford it, fly business class. From start to finish it is a much better experience than flying economy.

If you need to balance the budget, ie a business class flight against a better hotel, then it depends on how long you are on vacation for. In my opinion, around 7 days, fly business class, 7 - 10 days it's 50/50, over 10 days, then fly economy and get the better hotel.

Why? There is no doubt that business class is a far more comfortable and enjoyable experience, your vacation really does start on the aircraft. ( All the normal caveats apply, ie you select a decent carrier in the first place ). On a "shortish" vacation you don't want to spend the first couple of days recovering from the flight. I think most posters here can recall horrific travel experiences in cattle class.

I lost a good friend at 37 years of age to a Deep Vein Thrombosis, and this young man wasn't short of cash. He was easily a dollar millionaire. DVT's, strokes and heart attacks are far more common after long haul flights than you would believe. Again many posters here can probably think of people they know that have suffered such incidents. I can name several. I'm not suggesting Business Class makes you immune from these problems, but DVT's are called " Economy Class Syndrome" for a reason.

So if you can, fly Business Class, and if you fly long haul economy, get up out of your seat at every opportunity.

Read post 66.Some people have a different opinion.

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Posted 2011-09-13 20:22:15

Maybe it's a liitle late reply, but just a few days ago I flew to Europe with LH business class. The business class as such was the right choice, but 2500Euros for an old style business class, where the passenger of the window seat have to climb over the aisle seat passenger, is crap. I'll stay with business, but will change the airline....

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