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The declaration of a state of emergency doesn't magically give the military more resources.What it does do is suspend due process and whatever civil rights that happen to exist.Basically it means the army gets to round up and/or shoot whomever they want, and to take and use private property and equipment as and when they see fit.

so basically the army can behave like the BKK police do everyday in a state of emergency :whistling:

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And that was my sole attempt to keep the thread from running completely off-topic.

TV is being hijacked by political extremists. Is there nothing that can be done to cut down the constant repetitive slander generated by those members who are so blinded by the colors of red and yellow that they cannot carry on a sensible discussion. These posts rarely include any factual information to add to an intelligent discussion and really diminish the content of the thread for the rest of us.

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Better to flood an large area with 50cm of water than a much smaller area with 1 meter of water?

Just my thoughts

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It isn't. Start to list when crops and household items etc are being affected (what height in cm of water) on the ground and in the house - and you'll understand why.

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The declaration of a state of emergency doesn't magically give the military more resources.What it does do is suspend due process and whatever civil rights that happen to exist.Basically it means the army gets to round up and/or shoot whomever they want, and to take and use private property and equipment as and when they see fit.
so basically the army can behave like the BKK police do everyday  in a state of emergency :whistling:
Wholesale to the police's retail.

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The declaration of a state of emergency doesn't magically give the military more resources.What it does do is suspend due process and whatever civil rights that happen to exist.Basically it means the army gets to round up and/or shoot whomever they want, and to take and use private property and equipment as and when they see fit.
so basically the army can behave like the BKK police do everyday in a state of emergency :whistling:
Wholesale to the police's retail.

And Black is White. Thai police responsible for many more deaths of innocents than could ever be attributed to the military.

Hey, anyway, here's to the resourcefulness and spirit of the Thai people, who find ways to mange despite their government having abandoned them to their fate. Some incredible pictures here:

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/14/world/asia/thailand-flooding-scene/index.html?hpt=wo_c2

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I suspect that there's a lot more breaking down barriers than is being reported. The PM mentioned it several times in her speech the other day.

People who have been submerged for weeks are getting to be very resentful of their neighbors who are still dry and protected, so they are knocking down the barriers that keep the water on their land.:ermm:

Yea there are two sides to the coin. But flooding others will only mean that the relief when it comes will cost more and take longer.

But people are resenting the PM for protecting BKK, will cost her votes.

It will probably be forgotten by the time there's an election and it might be a bit harsh to blame her. Mind you sometimes someone is blamed even if not all their fault. What might cause her a problem (unfairly in my opinion) is not an election which is probably a long way off but she might be pressured to step down as PM to let her brother in. Some people seem to think he can perform miracles and that may be her biggest danger.

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So 3 different opinions it seems, pm says bkk will be safe, govenor not so sure and now the military calling for emergency measures.

Glad to see we are all on the same page.

In other news, tide is coming back in and river is rising as expected-looks similar to yesterday.

Now why would you think that they would be on the same page??? That's ridiculous: PT is in charge, but the Dem. governor wants his party to gain face so he sits on the fence uncommitted, and (of course) the military want to be in charge again with their puppet PM...

I guess you wouldn't know sarcasm if it slapped you in the face?

Yes, PT is in charge and making an incredible mess of things. Science minister screams "EVACUATE", Justice Minister says "Ignore that moron", and PM goes off to cry. Yeah, PT really inspires confidence in their handling of this crisis... NOT!

I'm glad to know that the authorities in Bangkok are not relying on PT to protect the city.

Thai Military is already doing a lot to evacuate people, distribute aid and fortify and protect flood barriers. They could do more, but PM refuses to declare a state of emergency.

Shocking incompetence and zero accountability.

TiT :jap:

If you are going to quote some one then give them the decency to make the quote as realistic as possible. The Science Minister did not in any way at all say "Evacuate". Not in Thai or in English. He made a very middle of the road statement saying that a certain area might get flooded. It was a vague and when it was mentioned to a group of people who were eagerly waiting for a statement saying evacuate or don't evacuate, it was inferred to mean "evacuate".

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The Army wants emergency powers so they can arrest people who are breaking the flood walls intentionally. There aren't enough police to guard the flood walls.

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Is there a collection of photos anywhere on the net of this in Bangkok? Anyone know if the Thongo Lo area, soi 36 and soi 38 are under water? thx

I live in soi 36 and it's bone dry at the moment.

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If the military feel a state of emergency is needed they should be quietly behind the scenes informing the PM and relevant ministers and not making pubklic statements. The military answer to the elected government that has to make decisions and be accountable. There is also enough confusing information, weird acts and outright panicky and bizarre news stories out there without those who should be working together within the democratic framework to solve people's problems start bickering. Now is a time to work together and put diferences aside

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So 3 different opinions it seems, pm says bkk will be safe, govenor not so sure and now the military calling for emergency measures.

Glad to see we are all on the same page.

In other news, tide is coming back in and river is rising as expected-looks similar to yesterday.

If the military could be trusted to function in a true 'civil defence' mode, the state of emergency could be the way to go. But with their history of brutality? One thing is for sure, the already tragic death toll would increase dramatically.

Then there is also the prospect of getting them out once the crisis has past.

Bad call. .. unless they unarmed.

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So 3 different opinions it seems, pm says bkk will be safe, govenor not so sure and now the military calling for emergency measures.

Glad to see we are all on the same page.

In other news, tide is coming back in and river is rising as expected-looks similar to yesterday.

If the military could be trusted to function in a true 'civil defence' mode, the state of emergency could be the way to go. But with their history of brutality? One thing is for sure, the already tragic death toll would increase dramatically.

Then there is also the prospect of getting them out once the crisis has past.

Bad call. .. unless they unarmed.

Well the US Marines are going to be here shortly working on flood relief and Yingluck is going to look pretty stupid if she doesn't allow the Thai military to help.

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So 3 different opinions it seems, pm says bkk will be safe, govenor not so sure and now the military calling for emergency measures.

Glad to see we are all on the same page.

In other news, tide is coming back in and river is rising as expected-looks similar to yesterday.

If the military could be trusted to function in a true 'civil defence' mode, the state of emergency could be the way to go. But with their history of brutality? One thing is for sure, the already tragic death toll would increase dramatically.

Then there is also the prospect of getting them out once the crisis has past.

Bad call. .. unless they unarmed.

What the hell are you talking about? If the military wanted to take power that's just what they'd do, They'd not be waiting around for an order from the government. The fact is they are the only institution with the organization, manpower and equipment to handle the logistics of delivering aid and evacuating and sheltering persons affected by the floods. Period! To not utilize that resource to its fullest is in my view a malfeasance by government officials.

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Water management engineers have the answer: infrastructure - more klongs and more levies. Both of these solutions are earth-moving activities which would provide many jobs to the masses of out- of -work Thais. It's time for a national commitment to fix this country-wide problem. This doesn't have to be like solving the traffic problem in downtown BKK.

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If the military feel a state of emergency is needed they should be quietly behind the scenes informing the PM and relevant ministers and not making pubklic statements.

So you, Jayboy and the gov can deny it ever happened? Now everyone knows what was put on the table.

There is also enough confusing information, weird acts and outright panicky and bizarre news stories out there /../

And that's just from the government side alone!

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So 3 different opinions it seems, pm says bkk will be safe, govenor not so sure and now the military calling for emergency measures.

Glad to see we are all on the same page.

In other news, tide is coming back in and river is rising as expected-looks similar to yesterday.

If the military could be trusted to function in a true 'civil defence' mode, the state of emergency could be the way to go. But with their history of brutality? One thing is for sure, the already tragic death toll would increase dramatically.

Then there is also the prospect of getting them out once the crisis has past.

Bad call. .. unless they unarmed.

Well the US Marines are going to be here shortly working on flood relief and Yingluck is going to look pretty stupid if she doesn't allow the Thai military to help.

The Thai military are actively involved in operations of relief right now but under civilian control. This isnt about whether they do anything or not but who is best at overseeing it all linked of course to the usual politics of now and recent times. There are also a variety of volunteer and civilian groups involved and the whole lot needs to be controlled by some body. Squabbling in public over what body is not helpful

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If the military feel a state of emergency is needed they should be quietly behind the scenes informing the PM and relevant ministers and not making pubklic statements.

So you, Jayboy and the gov can deny it ever happened? Now everyone knows what was put on the table.

There is also enough confusing information, weird acts and outright panicky and bizarre news stories out there /../

And that's just from the government side alone!

Its about getting things done not about what was put on the table. At the end of the day the government are accountable to the people for their actions and mistakes and correct decisions. That includes the flood

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The thing is that the military doesn't like to take orders. That's true in most places, but the big difference is that most militaries operate in foreign countries, well out of the sight of the politicians.

The military likes giving orders; not taking them.

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OK, I lied. My last post wasn't my sole attempt at keeping this thread on-topic. A number of off-topic posts and replies have been deleted.

There will be plenty of time to argue purely political matters after the current crisis is over. For now, please stick a little closer to the topic of the thread.

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So 3 different opinions it seems, pm says bkk will be safe, govenor not so sure and now the military calling for emergency measures.

Glad to see we are all on the same page.

In other news, tide is coming back in and river is rising as expected-looks similar to yesterday.

If the military could be trusted to function in a true 'civil defence' mode, the state of emergency could be the way to go. But with their history of brutality? One thing is for sure, the already tragic death toll would increase dramatically.

Then there is also the prospect of getting them out once the crisis has past.

Bad call. .. unless they unarmed.

Have you not seen the photos of dripping wet troops stacking sandbags? Were they armed?

It is obvious that you are not in a position where assistance might be required, but you still see the need to spit on help that may save lives. Most of these boys are conscripts - many will be working in their home provinces BUT " One thing is for sure, the already tragic death toll would increase dramatically. "

Within forum rules, I cannot express my contempt for such a stupid statement.

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And that was my sole attempt to keep the thread from running completely off-topic.

TV is being hijacked by political extremists. Is there nothing that can be done to cut down the constant repetitive slander generated by those members who are so blinded by the colors of red and yellow that they cannot carry on a sensible discussion. These posts rarely include any factual information to add to an intelligent discussion and really diminish the content of the thread for the rest of us.

+1 I too am getting tired of dragging politics (overwhelmingly by the anti Red brigade)into each and every topic, barring sin sod. Particularly pointless when those doing so have no vote. It makes for a very long and boring read for those of us attempting to ascertain the facts.

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so the military wants more power under an " emergency decree" . Can somone explain to me how just saying "OK now its an emergency" will make anything change. will the water suddenly run off faster. Will people instantly all get a boat to go to dry ground with? Just doesnt make sense to me. If there is assistance that the military, goverment or anyone can give what does it matter if they call a "state of emergency" or call it a dam BBQ dinner for that matter. It seems to me the military just wants to have special powers to phuk with people. maybe they will find someone they can blame the floods on and take care of him with a snipers round. Wouldnt they all be so proud then!

As for the people that are having to deal with flooded houses I feel there pain and hope all turns out well. eventually the water will go away and things will get back to " normal".

Some understanding needed, I guess.

It is quite normal the military are allowed to operate freely (meaning: using military equipment) under emergency rules.

Under civilian, non emergencey rule, army staff and material cannot be used.

It might mean they steal work from civilians (read profit for the happy few)

Now suppose the military would come out of the barracks uninvited, that might be construed as a coupe.

If they come out invited, under emergency rule for example, no coupe.

Anyway, maybe, just maybe, the soldiers might be able to do some constructive work, the government of the day is panicking.

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And Black is White. Thai police responsible for many more deaths of innocents than could ever be attributed to the military.

Hey, anyway, here's to the resourcefulness and spirit of the Thai people, who find ways to mange despite their government having abandoned them to their fate. Some incredible pictures here:

http://edition.cnn.c....html?hpt=wo_c2

Good link. Thanks for that.

The last picture is particularly good.

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