Regardless of whether the goods were "hoarded" or not, the people that allowed the relief goods to get flooded at Don Muaeng should be sacked immediately.
They have known for a week that there was serious risk of flooding there. They simply have NO excuse.
There was an official announcement only a few days ago that there were no plans to move FROC from Don Muang, despite the high flood risk. Due to the fact that they were pretty much told by the FROC that they weren't moving, they are absolved of any responsibility for letting the warehoused (not hoarded) supplies be destroyed.
To suggest that they should have taken the initiative and gone against the instructions of the boss no matter how glaringly wrong the boss's assertion may be indicates a poor knowledge of the average Thai mentality.
FROC is in charge of the relief goods. So they don't really get to absolve themselves by making an announcement.
Even if they thought they could run operations from a higher level in the buildings, this doesn't excuse losing all these donations to pure and simple stupidity. Oversight, misinformation, mis-communication, and misanthropic dealings with NGOs willing and able to distribute ASAP = gross mistakes....
they, leaders of FROC, are supposed to KNOW what to do, why else should they be put in charge. Oh, yes politics and nepotism. But even then there IS NO EXCUSE.
Excuse me, but why do you use the word hoarding instead of stockpiled? Rhetorical question, I know why. Was FROC supposed to release all goods at once, which would have been logistically impossible? The Channel 3 video only mentions that some goods could not be evacuated in time and there is no mention at all that they were hoarded or hidden, none whatsoever. I am not claiming FROC did a 100% competent job, but to use the words 'hoarding' and 'hidden' implies that there was some secret agenda involved,
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"Please calm down.
I'm using the terminology of the thread title and the OP.
If you have specific information that the goods were not being hoarded, you are welcome to share it."
Sorry but ...NO! He has not to provide any "specific information". The guys who came up with that story or the ones backing it, have to. I do not speak Thai, but if the video doesn't say anything about "hoarding" or "hiding", it is worthless. It prooves nothing and it is not fit to back up this story. It's simply too easy, to bring up some alligations, having no or weak evidence and then say: "So, we can not back this story up, now you proove us wrong" That is rediculous.
...and they didn't know how to get it to the people because of no planning????? Doesn't surprise me. How can a country in the 21 century have so many "losers???" or should I say"experts" that don't know anything?
Planning? Which top men (and women) have time to plan and administer when most of their time are spent on photo ops...
When you consider that the people chosen to handle natural disasters, and distribution of relief supplies, normally have had experience, if not, a learning curve can be expected. I would have thought the portable toilets would have been placed in the centers for evacuated people as well as other relief supplies. These locations were determined some time ago but watching the news, it appeared a lot of the food/etc was brought in after the fact. It did appear that small tents/mosquito nets had been prepared, so maybe some items shown on video were destined for later use????
This whole sequence of events from the initial record rainfall in the north of Thailand, starting several months ago, to the present problems whose effects will be around for several more months. We should expect more problems with the lack of organization, transport logistics, aid promised/received, rebuilding/repair, etc. What I think really reveals the mindset of the present government figures is the mention of cost to rectify the water/drainage systems of Thailand before they have solved the immediate and foreseeable problems so apparent. Seems most want to be 'Boss'/>Planner, but few want to do what is most pressing to those who elected/thus pay their salaries.
having been in the airport during the hoarding of these goods i guess all of you a right. too much BU**LSH*T about th epolitics. most of the clothes we helped to pack are now floating down VR road in the crappy water that is there. the wastage of the food is incredible. i helped to unload mote than 100 KG mushrooms, that were left for 2 days before being used. 300 KG frozen meat that was left out for more than 2 DAYS.
try stop the crap flying about whose blame. we all know the people in control are a bunch of useless prats.
why not arrange some transport and someone to get the stuff out of there to distribute it. some of it can still be salvaged for sure.
i helped to unload about 100 diesel engines into the cargo area. water pumps too.
stop your mouths and get some action started please.
I think you're right.
Let me add on. It's all about logistic. You can't centralize relief goods the way it happens here. This is alive event disaster , therefore the goods must be mobile at all time. Lets say five to ten 16 wheeler with smaller trucks in all areas as standby, probably some boats to reach out to hardly hit areas as well.
A virtual database that can be setup in no time, goods can be delivered on a short call. The trucks, at the same time and while they are circling around, can pickup stuff from the collecting areas and putting the collected goods directly into the database and deliver by being delegated from a crisis response area.
Technically it is all possible.
Sure there are more little discuss to discuss about this.
I can feel for people like you, who have worked and sacrificed time and energy, to watch now how that all goes to waste.
I think its unfair to call it 'hoarding'. Its more accurate to say their distribution system is crap and broken. I have friends who were doing volunteer work there who left in frustration.
Regarding this topic, what is clear is that on one hand most people are doing amazing things in a crisis and really showing tremendous generosity, yet on the other hand there are still some people who will latch on to the slightest hint of abuse and vault it from irrelevant or unsubstantiated rumor to the the height of truth and indignation.
Couldn't agree with you more, while there are so many people on the ground and in the trenches helping out in a horrible crisis there are always going to be people like the dimwits in charge of all these donations. They don't appear to have the brains or concern to make sure they are not stuck in a flooded out building but rather out where they could do some good. So sad when people put in charge of something have no clue what they are doing. I mean it's not like the building was suddenly engulfed in water they had plenty of time to move them out to a better location even if for some reason they could not get them out to the people that need them.
As for the managment of the old FROC located in Don Mueang Airport, FROC Spokesperson Pol. Gen. Pongsapat Pongcharoen revealed that today was the last day cars would be allowed to enter the airport to transport the rest of the donation items. Asked about the suspicious hoarding of the donation items, he claimed that it was under the responsibility of the person in charge who must be investigated later on. However, he could not point out the authorized persons.
I'm just a Pol.Gen. who has been appointed spokesperson, I only tell what they tell me to tell. There is nothing in my contract about a need to know something
According to an anonymous source, a video clip released on the internet revealing the Flood Relief Operations Center or FROC has hoarded a large number of donated items from various charitable donors. The items are held up at Cargo 1 in Don Mueng Airport and were not distributed to the flood victims. Items such as mobile toiletries were all locked away by the FROC.
Furthermore, the hoarded items also included donations from Japan
Channel 3 report showing the hoarded and now ruined supplies kept at the Don Meuang.
You obviously do not understand Thai or you would not have posted that. I just watched the video, which was taken approximately 19:00 last night. It reported that FROC had been forced to move because of the flooding, and that the water had arrived so rapidly that there was no time to evacuate many of the supplies or office equipment there. They also reported that there were still 400-500 evacuees at the airport. THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE WORD ABOUT HOARDED GOODS, NOR ANY IMPLICATION OF THAT. Stop passing along BS rumors for everyone's sake.
But it did show yet again what a shambles their whole effort is.! They were being advised to move more than a week ago; just days ago the pm was on saying it will be fine no need to move (heard that a few times before haven't we) and now look! 4-500 evacuees stuck in the evacuation centre and large amounts of supplies ruined!
Shocking;- but sadly not so shocking as sadly predictable.
According to an anonymous source, a video clip released on the internet revealing the Flood Relief Operations Center or FROC has hoarded a large number of donated items from various charitable donors. The items are held up at Cargo 1 in Don Mueng Airport and were not distributed to the flood victims. Items such as mobile toiletries were all locked away by the FROC.
Furthermore, the hoarded items also included donations from Japan
Channel 3 report showing the hoarded and now ruined supplies kept at the Don Meuang.
You obviously do not understand Thai or you would not have posted that. I just watched the video, which was taken approximately 19:00 last night. It reported that FROC had been forced to move because of the flooding, and that the water had arrived so rapidly that there was no time to evacuate many of the supplies or office equipment there. They also reported that there were still 400-500 evacuees at the airport. THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE WORD ABOUT HOARDED GOODS, NOR ANY IMPLICATION OF THAT. Stop passing along BS rumors for everyone's sake.
But it did show yet again what a shambles their whole effort is.! They were being advised to move more than a week ago; just days ago the pm was on saying it will be fine no need to move (heard that a few times before haven't we) and now look! 4-500 evacuees stuck in the evacuation centre and large amounts of supplies ruined!
Shocking;- but sadly not so shocking as sadly predictable.
And most of all, it is not the subject of this thread....
As for the managment of the old FROC located in Don Mueang Airport, FROC Spokesperson Pol. Gen. Pongsapat Pongcharoen revealed that today was the last day cars would be allowed to enter the airport to transport the rest of the donation items. Asked about the suspicious hoarding of the donation items, he claimed that it was under the responsibility of the person in charge who must be investigated later on. However, he could not point out the authorized persons.
I'm just a Pol.Gen. who has been appointed spokesperson, I only tell what they tell me to tell. There is nothing in my contract about a need to know something
"There is nothing in my contract about a need to know something". Rubl you could have expanded that to every person at FROC and been spot on.
According to an anonymous source, a video clip released on the internet revealing the Flood Relief Operations Center or FROC has hoarded a large number of donated items from various charitable donors. The items are held up at Cargo 1 in Don Mueng Airport and were not distributed to the flood victims. Items such as mobile toiletries were all locked away by the FROC.
Furthermore, the hoarded items also included donations from Japan
Channel 3 report showing the hoarded and now ruined supplies kept at the Don Meuang.
You obviously do not understand Thai or you would not have posted that. I just watched the video, which was taken approximately 19:00 last night. It reported that FROC had been forced to move because of the flooding, and that the water had arrived so rapidly that there was no time to evacuate many of the supplies or office equipment there. They also reported that there were still 400-500 evacuees at the airport. THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE WORD ABOUT HOARDED GOODS, NOR ANY IMPLICATION OF THAT. Stop passing along BS rumors for everyone's sake.
So you say that FROC was not aware that there was water on its way
Excuse me, but why do you use the word hoarding instead of stockpiled? Rhetorical question, I know why. Was FROC supposed to release all goods at once, which would have been logistically impossible?
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My guess is that they didn't have enough trucks and time anymore after releasing the massive amount of goods donated by the politicians, and fugitive criminals , which had their image attached to the goods.
When you consider that the people chosen to handle natural disasters, and distribution of relief supplies, normally have had experience, if not, a learning curve can be expected. I would have thought the portable toilets would have been placed in the centers for evacuated people as well as other relief supplies. These locations were determined some time ago but watching the news, it appeared a lot of the food/etc was brought in after the fact. It did appear that small tents/mosquito nets had been prepared, so maybe some items shown on video were destined for later use????
It'll be interesting to see if Japan has a reaction to this after their donations were prominently shown in the video.
Can't tell exactly what were in their containers, but their donations have been substantial and Japan has shown to be a country where this sort of thing involving their donations gets addressed.
Excuse me, but why do you use the word hoarding instead of stockpiled? Rhetorical question, I know why. Was FROC supposed to release all goods at once, which would have been logistically impossible?
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My guess is that they didn't have enough trucks and time anymore after releasing the massive amount of goods donated by the politicians, and fugitive criminals , which had their image attached to the goods.
It would be interesting to know just how many goods are "stockpiled" at the orher distribution centers. I wonder what the Japanese people would think if they saw the video of their flood contributions floating around in the now closed warehouse.
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whybother, on 2011-10-30 14:51:41, said:
