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[wimpy]

Waverider, on 2005-11-18 05:53:05, said:

This news must be a hoax.

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Afraid not. If you do a search, you will find that the story has now been picked up by news agencies the world over. Cool!

[britmaveric]

[Galong]

Let's face it, Thaksin is basically George Bush on rice. He doesn't give a ###### about nature or animals (just like the idiot running the US right now) and he likely doesn't give a ###### about what anyone else thinks about him... just like George W.

I hope that the international media burns his ass alive for coming up with such a moronic idea. To say that I'm appauled is a gross understatement.

[Ricardo]

Tom yum chang - NO THANKS !

Chiang Mai wants to promote itself as a place of culture & history, the tourists will hear about this sick idea and simply stop coming here, once they've stopped throwing-up

If the poo-yais don't understand or share international-standards of morality, at least they should hire foreign marketing-experts, who would quickly put them right - and stop this nonsense.

I weep for Thailand - when I read a story like this.

[Maejo Man]

Dradam, on 2005-11-18 04:28:52, said:

According to my understanding, the menu will only be served once (at the Grand Opening).  I think the menu is in poor taste and is giving Thailand a worse name in animal conservation but at least it won't be an ongoing menu.

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"CHIANG MAI: -- Visitors offered daily buffet of lion, tiger, elephant and giraffe meat....."

Daily, when I was at shool meant every day, and not once at an opening

However, they have really shot themselves in the foot on this one. The international press is up in arms today, and I doubt if you will ever get to see these revolting dishes actually served.

[markg]

Pattaya_Fox, on 2005-11-17 19:48:12, said:

Chiang Mai....will soon be known worldwide as the land of barbarism.

I think that Toxin had better get the wheels in motion and arrange  to back down from these ideas by calling them a misunderstanding....and that infact there will be no animals eaten on the Zoo premises.....but a small restaurant just outside the zoo will serve........

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Ok, lets take stock here. (Vegetable of course).
1. How about we take an animals baby, then when its about 8 weeks old, kill it and serve it. We call that LAMB in the west.
2. What about taking another animals baby, packing it into a crate, feeding it sweet things and then ending its miserable life by killing it and eating it. We call that VEAL in the west.
3. Fois Gras anyone? Yup, forcefeed a duck til its liver expands, then kill it and eat it.
4. Oxtail soup anyone?
5. Ever eaten tongue? Used to be very popular in England on a sandwich with a bit of mustard. It is indeed the actual tongue of a dead animal.
6. Horse meat ? France, Germany and Italy is your next holiday destination then.
7. Pigs trotters? Tripe anyone? Pigeon pie ?
The list goes on and on

There are a multitude of meats which we eat but because we come to Thailand and there is different stuff on the menu we think its disgusting. GET REAL !
Have a look at what your own country serves up before coming as a guest to someone elses and complaining. Most of this shyte comes from us thinking some animals are cute pettable pets. Other countries see them as food.

[markg]

<snip> Flame removed. RDN
You're close to getting a holiday markg.

Edited by RDN, 2005-11-18 22:20:03.

[markg]

Canadianvisitor, on 2005-11-17 21:40:50, said:

<snip> original long post deleted. RDN

I think I will spend my holiday elsewhere.
I cannot support any country where this type of archaic, ignorant,
destructive behaviour is condoned.
The fact that there are no animals left in the jungles is bad enough.
I am ashamed of Thailand and surprised by even the fact that
someone thought it was a good idea.
Horrible press will follow, protests will come, this is just bad.

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Lets hope you go back to Canada soon then. Whilst you are there, please visit an abatoir or a slaughter house. Then report back on the conditions you see there whilst eating a hot dog. Or in fact, go to a hot dog factory and see what shyte you are eating. We look forwards to hearing from you again once you are in the land of milk and honey, (and slaughterhouses)
<snip> Flame removed. RDN

Edited by RDN, 2005-11-18 22:21:13.

[Crossy]

markg, on 2005-11-18 03:10:03, said:

Ok, lets take stock here. (Vegetable of course).
1. How about we take an animals baby, then when its about 8 weeks old, kill it and serve it. We call that LAMB in the west.
2. What about taking another animals baby, packing it into a crate, feeding it sweet things and then ending its miserable life by killing it and eating it. We call that VEAL in the west.
3. Fois Gras anyone? Yup, forcefeed a duck til its liver expands, then kill it and eat it.
4. Oxtail soup anyone?
5. Ever eaten tongue? Used to be very popular in England on a sandwich with a bit of mustard. It is indeed the actual tongue of a dead animal.
6. Horse meat ? France, Germany and Italy is your next holiday destination then.
7. Pigs trotters? Tripe anyone? Pigeon pie ?
The list goes on and on

There are a multitude of meats which we eat but because we come to Thailand and there is different stuff on the menu we think its disgusting. GET REAL !
Have a look at what your own country serves up before coming as a guest to someone elses and complaining. Most of this shyte comes from us thinking some animals are cute pettable pets. Other countries see them as food.

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The whole point here is NOT that they are going to serve 'exotic' meats but that they are listing ENDANGERED animals on the menu.

I like horse, it's much nicer than beef, dog is ok (although I won't set out to eat it), ostrich is ok too, zebra and giraffe will probably taste just fine (and they are not endangered).

[Maejo Man]

markg, on 2005-11-18 09:10:03, said:

There are a multitude of meats which we eat but because we come to Thailand and there is different stuff on the menu we think its disgusting. GET REAL !
Have a look at what your own country serves up before coming as a guest to someone elses and complaining. Most of this shyte comes from us thinking some animals are cute pettable pets. Other countries see them as food.

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You sanctimonious a***hole, why don't your read the posts before making stupid posts such as the above.
None of these exotic animals are native to Thailand, if they were we would have the choice to eat them or abstain. I'ts illegal to consume them in their countries of origin, so why should we have to "GET REAL" (a dreadful americanism) and allow the Thais to import them for food?
How on earth can you justify the eating of Tigers? You have a warped myoptic, and somewhat peculiar sense of values.

[socalbro]

markg, on 2005-11-18 09:17:17, said:

Canadianvisitor, on 2005-11-17 21:40:50, said:

<snip> original long post deleted. RDN

I think I will spend my holiday elsewhere.
I cannot support any country where this type of archaic, ignorant,
destructive behaviour is condoned.
The fact that there are no animals left in the jungles is bad enough.
I am ashamed of Thailand and surprised by even the fact that
someone thought it was a good idea.
Horrible press will follow, protests will come, this is just bad.

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Lets hope you go back to Canada soon then. Whilst you are there, please visit an abatoir or a slaughter house. Then report back on the conditions you see there whilst eating a hot dog. Or in fact, go to a hot dog factory and see what shyte you are eating. We look forwards to hearing from you again once you are in the land of milk and honey, (and slaughterhouses)
<snip> Flame removed. RDN

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Perhaps you slightly misunderstood the premise of the article or the intentions of the CM Safari buffet as well as the argument and opinion that followed.


There's absoutly nothing wrong with eating meat native to a region and its' culture, no matter how unappealing it may seem to others.


The real issue here is that the Chiang Mai Safari is actively persuing animals to put on their menu in the name of profit. They may or may not be presently an endangered species, but are certainly rare and extraordinary creatures which should not be exploited as part of an idiotic marketing gimmick.


For an establishment such as a zoo or safari to not only condone but activlely promote the import of these animals for a buffet meal is pure madness. It's these same type orginizations that fight for the protection of these animals worldwide so thing like this don't happen. Promoting wild beast banquets only further advances the instability of all rare and indangered animals. This promotion to the people lining up for tiger steaks would doubtfully have second thoughts about the slaughter of animals on the brink of extinction for their dining pleasure. The Safari presents the opportunity for an exciting and glamorous evening thus furthering the belief that eating these type of rare and exotic species is acceptable by those thought to be knowledgable about such things.


Many of these animals are not traditionally eaten either here nor in Africa, if they were the buffet would have gone unnoticed. If not rare and special then how would the safari ever hope to attract visitors to come to see them.

Having approved the idea already, just how much faith can be given that the animals roaming in the safari are well treated and looked after. If they have no qualms putting them on their menu, how can they be trusted to adequatly manage their health and welfare. It is just one of those things that cannot be taken back once having expressed their callous and ignorant attitudes.

Knowing they are willing to profit from dining on these creatures, would it really suprise anyone to find that they are just as negligent toward the smuggling of endangered species in blackmarket for any reason that might give them financial gain? I for one seriously doubt it and will never show my face there to support such pathetic and ignorant means.

Read back through this blog you will see that it's illegal in Kenya to eat even the giraffes, although somehow it has been arranged so that wealthy Thais will get their chance to soon. Sounds like more of the same old corrupt practices driven by greed and lack of concern for everyone and everything else. Truely a disturbing undertaking to say the least.

Edited by RDN, 2005-11-18 22:23:11.

[mogoso]

You sanctimonious a***hole, why don't your read the posts before making stupid posts such as the above.
None of these exotic animals are native to Thailand, if they were we would have the choice to eat them or abstain. I'ts illegal to consume them in their countries of origin, so why should we have to "GET REAL" (a dreadful americanism) and allow the Thais to import them for food?
How on earth can you justify the eating of Tigers? You have a warped myoptic, and somewhat peculiar sense of values.
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Why sir, I do believe you've made an error. tigers are indeed native to Thailand. So as a factual matter your statement is incorrect in part. I however don't espouse the inane notion of the eating of endangered animals as a source of protien or supposed aphrodisiacic properties of specific body organs.

[george]

Thailand Zoo: Admire The Animals, Then You Can Eat Them

In a move that is being criticised by animal rights goups, a zoo in Thailand will mark its official opening with something one wouldn't ordinarily expect from zoo keepers - not only will some invited guests be able to see a wide variety of exotic animals, they'll be able to taste a few of them as well.

Adding new meaning to 'a day at the zoo', the Chiang Mai Night Safari Park in Thailand's Chiang Mai Province government committee chairman Plodprasop Suraswadi said VIP guests who attend the grand opening will first enjoy an escorted tour of the park and offered the opportunity to enjoy the magnificence of lions, tigers and elephants only three of an estimated 2,000 animals of over 100 different species in the zoo.

Following the zoo tour, these same guests will be taken back to their choice of five restaurants operated by the zoo and subsequently will be given the choice of some of the very animals they marvelled during the tour only this time, instead of watching the animals, they get to eat them.

For approxiametly $110 U.S. VIPs will be offered several exotic menu choices ranging from tiger,lion, elephant, giraffe and for an appetizer they may sample such delicacies as crocodile, snake and dog. Desserts include various insects and to wash it all down, they can sip on some mongoose blood (shaken, not stirred).

The Wildlife Fund of Thailand has been highly critical of the zoo's VIP menu fearing the idea of offering exotic animals on a restaurant menu will further encourage the increasing practice of wildlife poaching and trafficking in the regions.

Wildlife Fund spokesperson Suraphol Duangkae said, "Serving rare animals on the table confirms that Thailand is ignoring policies for wildlife preservation. Thailand's image is already bad for trading animals and being a transit and laundering point for smugglers.The zoo will make only the image worse by serving rare animals."

Meanwhile back at the zoo - will that be medium or rare?

--halifaxlive.com

[Jai Dee]

Anger in Kenya over Thai zoo menu


There has been a furious reaction in Kenya to news that a zoo in northern Thailand will offer the meat of African game animals at its restaurant.

The zoo in Chiang Mai is being sent more than 100 wild animals and birds trapped in Kenya - including zebras, flamingoes, hippos and hyenas.

This had already led to protests from animal lovers and others.

The news that the zoo plans to serve lion, buffalo, elephant and giraffe meat has caused further controversy.

Project director Plod Prasop Suraswadi said VIP guests would have the privilege of tasting an exotic menu, including lion meat from Africa.

The Kenya Wildlife Service, which has been involved in the plans to export the animals and birds, had previously said that none of the species being sent to Thailand were endangered.

It has now announced that in the light of the new information, the plans need to be rethought.

The zoo in Chiang Mai is due to open officially on 1 January next year.

Source: Adam Mynott, BBC News, Nairobi

[Dustoff]

sinbinjack, on 2005-11-17 12:37:32, said:

This may very well be a bad move in conservation terms but some people who replied to this post should look at their own dietary issues, as there is little difference in meat from a cow ,a horse ,a dog or an elephant and the best way to keep animals is to use them for a purpose other than just for looking at, that way there is an economic reason to keep them and business will find a way to make them flourish. How many cows or sheep would there be if we didn't eat them.I personally don't eat much meat (personal taste not political outlook)but see the necessity of animals for food and one animal is much like another

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Good/unemotional points.

Having traveled and lived internationally for some 50 years, I have eaten most of the animals on this list and they were not considered unusual menu items.

Not sure about the tigers since I have a fondness for pussies but I do not recall seeing zebras or dogs or many other of these animals on any endangered species lists. While we may complain about someone serving horse or snake, is it appropriate to do so as we comfortably munch cow and chicken? Has anyone consulted a chicken?

I have a feeling that when all the hubbub fades, it will turn out that most of these animals are raised domestically. Let's face it, even the very folks you assault for their lack of intelligence cannot be stupid enough to actually be hiring people to go out on the savanna and gun down any endangered species. But you cannot charge 4500b for zebra that you admit was raised in a pen. Raising animals such as these as 'exotic pets' has become very popular and there are certain to be ones that due to cosmetic reasons just do not sell to discerning customers. Hence they become a food source? Certainly they are not fit to survive in the wild...

When I was just a tadpole, my family took me to an very classy restaurant on a very special occasion with lots of family. Being of that age to want to order for myself, I saw Loin Roast on the menu and, having misread, stated loudly, "I'll have that LION Roast!"

In spite of the humiliation of the robust laughter around me (this still happens), I still figger what the hey, meat is meat...

Edited by Dustoff, 2005-11-18 12:57:29.

[markg]

I'ts illegal to consume them in their countries of origin, so why should we have to "GET REAL" (a dreadful americanism) and allow the Thais to import them for food?

You surely dont think they are REALLY going to serve real tiger and lion meat.


It would be financially and logistically impossible to do that.

I enjoyed the previous post about the zoo not serving animals as food on the premises - so i guess that would mean that the restaurants would all be vegetarian then?!! Or dont fish, crab, shrimp, chicken and pork count as animals.

I say if you are prepared to eat meat then you should be prepared to eat ALL meat and not just the stuff you didnt pet at the zoo when you were a kid.
If it has a face on it - dont eat it. ,

[Dustoff]

markg, on 2005-11-18 12:52:18, said:

If it has a face on it - dont eat it. ,

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My wife was fine with your post until this last line...

Edited by Dustoff, 2005-11-18 13:04:07.

[Jai Dee]

Dustoff, on 2005-11-18 13:02:33, said:

markg, on 2005-11-18 12:52:18, said:

If it has a face on it - dont eat it. ,

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My wife was fine with your post until this last line...

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So was I...

[meadish_sweetball]

markg, on 2005-11-18 05:52:18, said:

I'ts illegal to consume them in their countries of origin, so why should we have to "GET REAL" (a dreadful americanism) and allow the Thais to import them for food?

You surely dont think they are REALLY going to serve real tiger and lion meat.


It would be financially and logistically impossible to do that.

I enjoyed the previous post about the zoo not serving animals as food on the premises - so i guess that would mean that the restaurants would all be vegetarian then?!! Or dont fish, crab, shrimp, chicken and pork count as animals.

I say if you are prepared to eat meat then you should be prepared to eat ALL meat and not just the stuff you didnt pet at the zoo when you were a kid.
If it has a face on it - dont eat it. ,

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Personally I would consider eating meat from all animals if I had to. If faced with either dying or eating human meat, I am pretty sure I would eat that too. As it is now, I generally stick to the meats I am used to, and often eat vegetarian food as well.

Call me callous if I cannot find in myself the same compassion or fervour about chicken rights as you display.

When we get towards more human-like animals that resemble us more in behaviour, it becomes more unpleasant, because we like to search out human-like behaviour in these animals and (mostly) incorrectly interepret it as if they have 'feelings' and sometimes even 'thoughts'. Once you go there, from a science perspective it's always possible to examine the vailidity of how 'aware' animals are of their surroundings. It is obvious animals are subjected to stressful conditions in meat farms, and dont have lives that are all that great. But some animals have been so domesticated they are not fit to live in the wild anymore. And if they were released into the wild (which has been attempted by so called 'militant vegans' in the past, that doesnt work out so great either).


Whichever way you look at it, serving endangered species at a Night Safari is a step up from regular munching of cows and chickens, pigs and horses, neither of which are in risk of becoming endangered. It is something that goes clearly against the whole thought of preserving a rich environment with room for as many species as possible - while taking into account that we are first and foremost humans....

[Nignoy]

meadish_sweetball, on 2005-11-18 14:37:30, said:

markg, on 2005-11-18 05:52:18, said:

I'ts illegal to consume them in their countries of origin, so why should we have to "GET REAL" (a dreadful americanism) and allow the Thais to import them for food?

You surely dont think they are REALLY going to serve real tiger and lion meat.


It would be financially and logistically impossible to do that.

I enjoyed the previous post about the zoo not serving animals as food on the premises - so i guess that would mean that the restaurants would all be vegetarian then?!! Or dont fish, crab, shrimp, chicken and pork count as animals.

I say if you are prepared to eat meat then you should be prepared to eat ALL meat and not just the stuff you didnt pet at the zoo when you were a kid.
If it has a face on it - dont eat it. ,

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Personally I would consider eating meat from all animals if I had to. If faced with either dying or eating human meat, I am pretty sure I would eat that too. As it is now, I generally stick to the meats I am used to, and often eat vegetarian food as well.

Call me callous if I cannot find in myself the same compassion or fervour about chicken rights as you display.

When we get towards more human-like animals that resemble us more in behaviour, it becomes more unpleasant, because we like to search out human-like behaviour in these animals and (mostly) incorrectly interepret it as if they have 'feelings' and sometimes even 'thoughts'. Once you go there, from a science perspective it's always possible to examine the vailidity of how 'aware' animals are of their surroundings. It is obvious animals are subjected to stressful conditions in meat farms, and dont have lives that are all that great. But some animals have been so domesticated they are not fit to live in the wild anymore. And if they were released into the wild (which has been attempted by so called 'militant vegans' in the past, that doesnt work out so great either).


Whichever way you look at it, serving endangered species at a Night Safari is a step up from regular munching of cows and chickens, pigs and horses, neither of which are in risk of becoming endangered. It is something that goes clearly against the whole thought of preserving a rich environment with room for as many species as possible - while taking into account that we are first and foremost humans....

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Lets cut out all the hypocrisy and bullshit it does not matter what country you hail from, we are all guilty of cruelty or abuse of animals be they, domesticated,wild or in zoos, whether it is faithful kiddies pet ponies in UK sold off to be exported to france for slaughter, the use of deer in european gameparks as trophy targets for rich so called hunters, or the trade zoo,s world wide where apart from viewing the cutie and cuddlies , for the right price you can take home a lion cub or a chimp or the skin and head of the proud male lion who your kids admired that morning in its enclosure, these are not bull shit stories I experienced enough of them , the atrocities commited aginst wildlife in australia,baiting dingos but not doing the research so that lots of the smaller carnivores are killed to, deliberately releasing a virulant disease into the wild rabbit population ,succeeding in killing lots of wallabies ,bettongs and other herbivores. I have devoted my life to the care and protection of animals , so leave out the bullshit if any of you Septics think I am nuts , look in your own backyards, the biggest modernday black market animal dealer lives and thrives in Fort Lauderdale Florida, USA has the highest population of tigers in private hands in the world, over 2000 registered so god knows how many illegal animals. Chiangmai Zoo,s backers have done irrepairable damage , but he who hath no fault throw the first stone,Nignoy

[chuchok]

Nignoy, on 2005-11-18 15:31:16, said:

Lets cut out all the hypocrisy and bullshit it does not matter what country you hail from, we are all guilty of cruelty or abuse of animals be they, domesticated,wild or in zoos, whether it is faithful kiddies pet ponies in UK sold off to be exported to france for slaughter, the use of  deer in european gameparks  as trophy targets for rich so called hunters, or the trade zoo,s world wide where apart from viewing the cutie and cuddlies , for the right price you can take home a lion cub or a chimp or the skin and head of the proud male lion who your kids admired that morning in its enclosure, these are not bull shit stories I experienced enough of them , the atrocities commited aginst wildlife in australia,baiting  dingos but not doing the research so that lots of the smaller carnivores are killed to, deliberately releasing a virulant disease into the wild rabbit population ,succeeding in killing lots of wallabies ,bettongs and other herbivores. I have devoted my life to the care and protection of animals , so leave out the bullshit if any of you Septics think I am nuts , look in your own backyards, the biggest modernday black market animal dealer lives and thrives in Fort Lauderdale Florida, USA has the highest population of tigers in private hands in the world, over 2000 registered so god knows how many illegal animals. Chiangmai Zoo,s backers have done irrepairable damage , but he who hath no fault throw the first stone,Nignoy

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Personally, I care much more about human life than I do about animals. Funny really how I would care more about a 9 year old girl being put "up for sale "...than a lion being shot.blimey...must have got it wrong somehow.

[Rinrada]

Only gotta check out Makro on Sri Nak Road and you will find most of them (but didnt see any lion meat)in their deep freeze section.

Thought about Croc and chips with maybe some white meat from the baby turtles mixed with the delicate addition of of a creme fresh combination of pur-eed heart of wallaby and "rabbit" but decided that I would rather have a bowl of ba...me instead.??

[meadish_sweetball]

Nignoy, on 2005-11-18 08:31:16, said:

meadish_sweetball, on 2005-11-18 14:37:30, said:

markg, on 2005-11-18 05:52:18, said:

I'ts illegal to consume them in their countries of origin, so why should we have to "GET REAL" (a dreadful americanism) and allow the Thais to import them for food?

You surely dont think they are REALLY going to serve real tiger and lion meat.


It would be financially and logistically impossible to do that.

I enjoyed the previous post about the zoo not serving animals as food on the premises - so i guess that would mean that the restaurants would all be vegetarian then?!! Or dont fish, crab, shrimp, chicken and pork count as animals.

I say if you are prepared to eat meat then you should be prepared to eat ALL meat and not just the stuff you didnt pet at the zoo when you were a kid.
If it has a face on it - dont eat it. ,

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Personally I would consider eating meat from all animals if I had to. If faced with either dying or eating human meat, I am pretty sure I would eat that too. As it is now, I generally stick to the meats I am used to, and often eat vegetarian food as well.

Call me callous if I cannot find in myself the same compassion or fervour about chicken rights as you display.

When we get towards more human-like animals that resemble us more in behaviour, it becomes more unpleasant, because we like to search out human-like behaviour in these animals and (mostly) incorrectly interepret it as if they have 'feelings' and sometimes even 'thoughts'. Once you go there, from a science perspective it's always possible to examine the vailidity of how 'aware' animals are of their surroundings. It is obvious animals are subjected to stressful conditions in meat farms, and dont have lives that are all that great. But some animals have been so domesticated they are not fit to live in the wild anymore. And if they were released into the wild (which has been attempted by so called 'militant vegans' in the past, that doesnt work out so great either).


Whichever way you look at it, serving endangered species at a Night Safari is a step up from regular munching of cows and chickens, pigs and horses, neither of which are in risk of becoming endangered. It is something that goes clearly against the whole thought of preserving a rich environment with room for as many species as possible - while taking into account that we are first and foremost humans....

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Lets cut out all the hypocrisy and bullshit it does not matter what country you hail from, we are all guilty of cruelty or abuse of animals be they, domesticated,wild or in zoos, whether it is faithful kiddies pet ponies in UK sold off to be exported to france for slaughter, the use of deer in european gameparks as trophy targets for rich so called hunters, or the trade zoo,s world wide where apart from viewing the cutie and cuddlies , for the right price you can take home a lion cub or a chimp or the skin and head of the proud male lion who your kids admired that morning in its enclosure, these are not bull shit stories I experienced enough of them , the atrocities commited aginst wildlife in australia,baiting dingos but not doing the research so that lots of the smaller carnivores are killed to, deliberately releasing a virulant disease into the wild rabbit population ,succeeding in killing lots of wallabies ,bettongs and other herbivores. I have devoted my life to the care and protection of animals , so leave out the bullshit if any of you Septics think I am nuts , look in your own backyards, the biggest modernday black market animal dealer lives and thrives in Fort Lauderdale Florida, USA has the highest population of tigers in private hands in the world, over 2000 registered so god knows how many illegal animals. Chiangmai Zoo,s backers have done irrepairable damage , but he who hath no fault throw the first stone,Nignoy

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Just for the record I am not a Septic. Not sure if you were addressing me though.

Neither am I a saint. I just expressed I think it's unsuitable for a Night Safari to serve meat of endangered species. I dont care what country it's located in as it's irrelevant to the issue.

If you want to make your posts a little easier to read and understand, some more full stops, commas and paragraphs would improve readability.

[JXXXL]

Dustoff, on 2005-11-18 12:49:29, said:

sinbinjack, on 2005-11-17 12:37:32, said:

This may very well be a bad move in conservation terms but some people who replied to this post should look at their own dietary issues, as there is little difference in meat from a cow ,a horse ,a dog or an elephant and the best way to keep animals is to use them for a purpose other than just for looking at, that way there is an economic reason to keep them and business will find a way to make them flourish. How many cows or sheep would there be if we didn't eat them.I personally don't eat much meat (personal taste not political outlook)but see the necessity of animals for food and one animal is much like another

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Good/unemotional points.

Having traveled and lived internationally for some 50 years, I have eaten most of the animals on this list and they were not considered unusual menu items.

Not sure about the tigers since I have a fondness for pussies but I do not recall seeing zebras or dogs or many other of these animals on any endangered species lists. While we may complain about someone serving horse or snake, is it appropriate to do so as we comfortably munch cow and chicken? Has anyone consulted a chicken?

I have a feeling that when all the hubbub fades, it will turn out that most of these animals are raised domestically. Let's face it, even the very folks you assault for their lack of intelligence cannot be stupid enough to actually be hiring people to go out on the savanna and gun down any endangered species. But you cannot charge 4500b for zebra that you admit was raised in a pen. Raising animals such as these as 'exotic pets' has become very popular and there are certain to be ones that due to cosmetic reasons just do not sell to discerning customers. Hence they become a food source? Certainly they are not fit to survive in the wild...

When I was just a tadpole, my family took me to an very classy restaurant on a very special occasion with lots of family. Being of that age to want to order for myself, I saw Loin Roast on the menu and, having misread, stated loudly, "I'll have that LION Roast!"

In spite of the humiliation of the robust laughter around me (this still happens), I still figger what the hey, meat is meat...

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Looking at this as a moral issue of what meat is acceptable to eat reveals something about your level of intellect. I think what most people find amusing or appalling is that a ZOO would be so stupid/brazen/insensitive as to propose serving wild animals on their menu. This is one of the most amazingly stupid PR disasters I have ever heard of, and it makes all Thai people, and Chiang Mai, look ridiculous.

A zoo - certainly any zoo established in the past 30 years - is supposed to be a place where the public is educated and motivated to protect animals of the world. To put exotic meat on the menu at a zoo is an absolute farce. It would be like giving a free soccer ball made by Pakistani children for every donation to UNICEF.

The Night Safari has been one of the PM's pet projects so I can't believe he didn't have any knowledge of this. Just another in long string of idiotic schemes that has blown up in his face. I can't believe the Thai people voted guy in by such a huge margin. They're getting what they deserve. <snip>

/Mod Edit - please keep those kinds of comments out of this subject.

Edited by Jai Dee, 2005-11-18 16:49:39.

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george, on 2005-11-17 15:16:11, said:

Excellent marketing. Excellent!

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Right on George they will drop the whole idea later. When the numbers are there.

Suppressed there are not monkeys or gorillas on the menu this is Thailand.

Thailand never ceases to amaze me.