Im not sure for labs, but for my 2 shihtzus the cost for flights with finnair is about 22,000bt. Plus import fees at UK customs for both dogs is 400 GBP.
Was the quote you were given via a pet relocation agent, as they were the quotes I was getting about 5 months ago- which I agree is alot! hence we are doing it by ourselves.
Try contacting some of the airlines cargo department on the list of defra approved airlines directly and let them know the weight of your dogs including their carrier, plus the dogs dimensions.
Singapore airlines is a popular suggestion
Alternativly, air berlin go from BKK to germany, and you can take your dogs as excess baggae for about 200 euro each. BUT you cant go direct into the uk with this airline as its not approved nor can they go direct into the uk as excess baggage. UK rules state that dogs/ pets must go into the UK via air as cargo.
My advice is dont use a pet relocation agent, they charge a fortune. Remember too that if you havnt had your dogs micro chipped you need to start the process 4 months in advance to going home and not 3 months.
1)microchip dogs
2) then rabies injection (must be after step one)
3) wait 30 days
4) Blood serum sample to be taken and sent to a UK approved lab (see defra site)
5) wait 3 months
6) then you can enter the uk
the process seems daunting at first, and finding airlines has been tough, maybe more so for us as we have snub nosed dogs, but as you have labs all defra approved airlines should accept them.
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Thailand To Uk In 2012 With 2 Dogs
Started by CMExpat79, 2011-11-22 11:13
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47 replies to this topic
#27
chonabot
Chilled Member Posted 2012-04-18 13:55:42
Quick question here - I have asked DEFRA and various UK pet importers - so far little response..
We may need tor return to the UK soon - our Westie was exported from the UK ( Nov 2011 )and had the Rabiesvaccine, test, microchip,etc as per DEFRA and Thai import guidelines. As she was certified some 5 months ago as Rabies free ( in a UK lab ) will she need to be tested again and wait for 3 months as per the above post? Edited by chonabot, 2012-04-18 13:57:38. #28
1kate1
Newbie Posted 2012-04-18 15:09:20
Suggest Emirates through Dubai to UK. used them for my dogs in tha past ...excellent.
Does anyone have any advice on sending two dogs from Thailand to USA?? #29
Nienke
Woof Posted 2012-04-18 17:11:02
Quick question here - I have asked DEFRA and various UK pet importers - so far little response.. We may need tor return to the UK soon - our Westie was exported from the UK ( Nov 2011 )and had the Rabiesvaccine, test, microchip,etc as per DEFRA and Thai import guidelines. As she was certified some 5 months ago as Rabies free ( in a UK lab ) will she need to be tested again and wait for 3 months as per the above post? If you keep the Rabies vax up-to-date then this test does not have to be done again. Do keep the test result document, though. #30
Nienke
Woof Posted 2012-04-18 17:13:46
Suggest Emirates through Dubai to UK. used them for my dogs in tha past ...excellent. Does anyone have any advice on sending two dogs from Thailand to USA?? Best is to contact Soi Dog Foundation in Phuket about this. They have lots of (recent) experience with this. Contact details: http://www.soidog.org/en/contact-us/ #31
chonabot
Chilled Member Posted 2012-04-18 19:07:45
Quick question here - I have asked DEFRA and various UK pet importers - so far little response.. We may need tor return to the UK soon - our Westie was exported from the UK ( Nov 2011 )and had the Rabiesvaccine, test, microchip,etc as per DEFRA and Thai import guidelines. As she was certified some 5 months ago as Rabies free ( in a UK lab ) will she need to be tested again and wait for 3 months as per the above post? If you keep the Rabies vax up-to-date then this test does not have to be done again. Do keep the test result document, though. Thanks 
#32
chonabot
Chilled Member Posted 2012-04-23 12:15:02
Having a mini drama regarding the Blood sample.
My wife asked the local vet in Kalasin to take a blood sample in order for us to send it off to Europe/Uk for the Rabies testing. The Vet said they were not qualified and recommended one about 100 km away. We live in Kalasin, a fairly large city, and this vet has a large premises and is qualified to give vaccines etc. Surely a blood sample should not be an issue. Do you think there is a breakdown in comms and the vet thinks we are asking for a Blood test? 
#33
CMExpat79
Advanced Member Posted 2012-04-23 14:51:21
hmmm... I can't see why they wont do it. possibly like you said just a communication thing.
maybe he thinks you mean you want him to send it? or maybe he doesnt have the facilties to turn it into a serum for you? sorry dont know what to suggest, as he should be able to take a sample for you. if its the serum thats an issue, i know that the lab in the UK says you can send it in a non-serum form, so that may be a way around it, however if sent this way im not sure how durable the sample is, as serum forms are said to last longer. if you can try again, good luck and fingers crossed its just a mix up
Edited by CMExpat79, 2012-04-23 14:53:34. #34
Nienke
Woof Posted 2012-04-23 18:51:05
Oh, I thought that send in a "non-serum" way (that is pure blood?) was prohibited. Or only a licensed vet or doctor can do so?
#35
CMExpat79
Advanced Member Posted 2012-04-24 15:44:35
The UK lab gave me two choices, they said I could either send 1ml of serum or 2ml of clotted blood - not 100% sure on what clotted is, or whether that is pure blood...
 http://vla.defra.gov...as_test_pet.htm in the end we just sent 3ml of serum per dog, as the vet said that was the min. amount they could take for us. our parcel got send out of thailand quickly, but UK customs held it for almost a week...got their in the end 
#36
chonabot
Chilled Member Posted 2012-04-24 20:08:17
Thanks guys - still struggling with the sample - but will let you know when all is good
#37
chonabot
Chilled Member Posted 2012-05-08 19:07:37
Hi all again
I have 2 questions here - we will probably be sending our dog back before us - various reasons  Question 1 I am getting the serum done tomorrow and sending it asap to UK/Europe for the testing asap. The only problem I see is the original Rabies shot was given on the 12th August 2011. I am fairly sure it's a 1 year shot. What concerns me is the dates/expiration etc. If I follow the 3 month rule - and say the test is done within 2 weeks from now - that will be a 3 month wait from the 22nd May ( even that would be stretching it ) 3 months from then will be 22nd August - the original shot will be out of date.... Is there any leeway with these dates? Can we fly her back early August and be subject to some quarantine? I have askled DEFRA but they take 3 weeks to aswer an email. Question 2 Is it worth using an export agency? I got this quote from one earlier today - let me know your thoughts on the cost - in particular the Clearnace/handling charges. 125]Dear Mr. Philip, 125] 125]This special proposal that our standard rates shall be applied. Based on the given info, we are pleased to give you our special proposal as per described below: 125] 125]Fees for Door to Airport 125]Commodity: One dog 125]Origin: Bangkok, Thailand 125]Destination: LHR Airport, UK 125]Mode: By Air 125] 125]Service Charges: 125]1. Customs clearance & handling charge : USD 400 per pet 125]2. Airfreight from Bangkok- LHR : USD 15.18 per kg (Min. USD 85) 125]3. Fuel & Crisis Surcharge : USD 1.43 per kg 125]4. EI –ICS surcharge from the airline : USD 20 125] 125]Prefer Carrier: TG 125](The flight schedule must be confirmed at least 7 days prior to ETD and we have to get approval from the airline for confirm booking) 125] 125] 125]Noted: After we check with the airline, it's easier if the customer will reserve with TG domestic flight directly, 125]When the pet arrival Bangkok, we will take care them to AQIS for issue Health Certificate and waiting to loading in the evening at the same day. 125] 125] 125]REMARKS: 125]- The airfreight charge will be referred from chargeable weight of the airline. 125]- Insurance is excluded, Agility therefore will not be held liable in case sickness, death, accident, & etc may arise. 125]- The airline usually accepts standard fiber cage only Basically, airline requires: 125]- The kennel must have 4 sides ventilation (for international flights) front/back/left/right 125]- The kennel must have a rim that goes around the kennel in the middle that prevents the ventilation from being totally blocked by other luggage 125]- The size must be right in which the pet can move freely 125]- The material must not look weak or questionable. 125] 125]INCLUSION: 125]Issue Health Certificate at Animal Quarantine Department, Suvarnnabhumi Airport 125]Airfreight Bangkok to LHR Airport 125]Export License 125] 125]EXCLUSION: 125]Owner/shipper must provide the valid rabies vaccination certificates Owner/shipper must provide vaccination cards 125]Owner/shipper must provide a copy of their photo ID (passport or visa) for clearance purpose as required. 125]Domestic flight 125]Storage at airport, if any. 125]Delivery to residence at destination 125]Insurance 125] 125]Documents required in Bangkok: 1]1. . Original Vaccination Book including rabies vaccination more than one month but not less than one year. Original rabies vaccination certificate stating that the animal has been vaccinated for not less than 30 days, but not more than one year before the arrival to destination country. 125]2. Original health certificate from Private Vet 125]3. Copy of the owner passport 65] 125]Special notes: 125]-Payment can be made through bank transfer 125]-The quotation is valid for 30 days 125] 125]If you have further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. It is our pleasure to be of service to you #38
CMExpat79
Advanced Member Posted 2012-05-09 01:37:49
hi
we have actually been thinking about sending our dogs early too, I have had top return to the UK and my partner is still in thailand with the dogs (they have a month left to wait before they can enter the UK) I asked a UK customs clearance agent (James Cargo) a similar question ie if we were to enter the UK with the dogs now vs June 7th how lone would the be quarantined...there answer was 1 month, as this is how long we would have had remaining for the process. so if for example, you had your dogs blood sample taken today (8 May) and the result was satisfactory, and you flew her/him home on 8 June, your pet would need to be quarantined for the remaining time left of the process ie 2 months. hope this makes sense. I think this is correct! so I would try and ring defra rather than email them as its quicker May I ask, have you got a rabies vaccine certificate? this is the one point that is concerning me for our move, as we didnt get an official certificate? do they just mean the thrid country vet certificate ??? we have the stamp intheir vet books, with the rabies vaccine sticker with vaccine no/ batch etc on ...hope this is enough! In terms of your second question, I think its down to preferance, the cost I think is a little higher than doing it yourself but its purely down to what you feel more comfortable with. One thing I would say is make sure the agents are using a defra approved airline, as when I was getting quotes last year they were suggesting non approved airlines... good luck and keep us posted
#39
chonabot
Chilled Member Posted 2012-05-09 09:29:46
Hi CM
So the date the 3 months start is from the date of the sample and not the date of the test result? That may make it easier - but will check with DEFRA as you advised. No we only have a stamp from the UK vet for the original Vaccination - they offered a Blood test one month later plus a certificate - stupidly I said no because this would have been required for the PET passport ( we didn't go down that route ) and didn't realise we may be bringing her back so soon. The 3rd world stamp/sticker plus the approved test result certificate should be fine - again may be worth checking. I will let you know with regards the DEFRA reply. The agents are suggesting Thai Airways - they are on the approved list. It's about 12000 baht handling charges - I may look into the process myself - also sending the dog(s) earlier means less stress on ourselves as we will not be having the hassle of our own trip to plan until later. Cheers Phil Edited by chonabot, 2012-05-09 09:40:05. #40
Nienke
Woof Posted 2012-05-09 10:27:57
Hi, i just read on the Soi Dog Foundatons facebook page that 6(!!!) dogs are going (very soon) to the UK.
They will fly to Amsterdam with 2 volunteers, and then by ferry to the UK. They mentioned specifically : "It is not allowed to fly dogs as accompanied baggage direct to the UK (which you know already) so they will first go to Amsterdam and then ferry to England. Is a big saving on sending by cargo." I suggest to contact Soi Dog Foundation for more specific information on this.
#41
CMExpat79
Advanced Member Posted 2012-05-09 23:54:23
yeah I am 99.99% sure that the 3 month wait begins the day that the blood sample was taken providing the sample was satisfactory (ie no rabies
 )Nienke - 6 dogs! gosh if they can send 6 over I am sure we will be fine with our two hahah, allthough this whole process is nervewracking when its your own pets, but Im sure it will all be fine
#42
Nienke
Woof Posted 2012-05-10 10:45:59
Hi all again I have 2 questions here - we will probably be sending our dog back before us - various reasons Question 1 I am getting the serum done tomorrow and sending it asap to UK/Europe for the testing asap. The only problem I see is the original Rabies shot was given on the 12th August 2011. I am fairly sure it's a 1 year shot. What concerns me is the dates/expiration etc. If I follow the 3 month rule - and say the test is done within 2 weeks from now - that will be a 3 month wait from the 22nd May ( even that would be stretching it ) 3 months from then will be 22nd August - the original shot will be out of date.... Is there any leeway with these dates? Can we fly her back early August and be subject to some quarantine? I have askled DEFRA but they take 3 weeks to aswer an email. The blood for the serological test should be taken before the expiry date of the Rabies vaccine. If the vaccine expires before the 3 months, (after the blood is drawn) is due then just have another vaccination done a few days before that expiry date. make sure that the vet stick the vaccine label in the vaccination book, his/her stamp and sign it. #43
chonabot
Chilled Member Posted 2012-05-10 18:51:47
Hi all again I have 2 questions here - we will probably be sending our dog back before us - various reasons Question 1 I am getting the serum done tomorrow and sending it asap to UK/Europe for the testing asap. The only problem I see is the original Rabies shot was given on the 12th August 2011. I am fairly sure it's a 1 year shot. What concerns me is the dates/expiration etc. If I follow the 3 month rule - and say the test is done within 2 weeks from now - that will be a 3 month wait from the 22nd May ( even that would be stretching it ) 3 months from then will be 22nd August - the original shot will be out of date.... Is there any leeway with these dates? Can we fly her back early August and be subject to some quarantine? I have askled DEFRA but they take 3 weeks to aswer an email. The blood for the serological test should be taken before the expiry date of the Rabies vaccine. If the vaccine expires before the 3 months, (after the blood is drawn) is due then just have another vaccination done a few days before that expiry date. make sure that the vet stick the vaccine label in the vaccination book, his/her stamp and sign it.
Hi all again I have 2 questions here - we will probably be sending our dog back before us - various reasons Question 1 I am getting the serum done tomorrow and sending it asap to UK/Europe for the testing asap. The only problem I see is the original Rabies shot was given on the 12th August 2011. I am fairly sure it's a 1 year shot. What concerns me is the dates/expiration etc. If I follow the 3 month rule - and say the test is done within 2 weeks from now - that will be a 3 month wait from the 22nd May ( even that would be stretching it ) 3 months from then will be 22nd August - the original shot will be out of date.... Is there any leeway with these dates? Can we fly her back early August and be subject to some quarantine? I have askled DEFRA but they take 3 weeks to aswer an email. The blood for the serological test should be taken before the expiry date of the Rabies vaccine. If the vaccine expires before the 3 months, (after the blood is drawn) is due then just have another vaccination done a few days before that expiry date. make sure that the vet stick the vaccine label in the vaccination book, his/her stamp and sign it. Phew that gives us some more leeway - thanks Nienke
#44
Nienke
Woof Posted 2012-05-10 22:44:36
Is it worth using an export agency? I got this quote from one earlier today - let me know your thoughts on the cost - in particular the Clearnace/handling charges. 125]Fees for Door to Airport 125]Commodity: One dog 125]Origin: Bangkok, Thailand 125]Destination: LHR Airport, UK 125]Mode: By Air 125] 125]Service Charges: 125]1. Customs clearance & handling charge : USD 400 per pet 125]2. Airfreight from Bangkok- LHR : USD 15.18 per kg (Min. USD 85) 125]3. Fuel & Crisis Surcharge : USD 1.43 per kg 125]4. EI –ICS surcharge from the airline : USD 20 125] 1 Not sure what the customs clearance and handling charges are. This is a quote I received for sending a boxer to France last year. From BKK to Paris Weight animal 35 kg Volume weight 88 kg. Estimated Charges Airfreight rate 88 x 380 = 33,440 Fuel surcharge 88 x 37 = 3,256 Crisis surcharge88 x 4 = 352. T/C + AWB fee 559.- Service charge* 3,500 + VAT 245. (Service charge has gone upto 4,000 baht, as I've been told.) Live Animal fee 268. Customs fee 270.- Estimated total THB 41,890.- Remarks:
Edited by Nienke, 2012-05-10 22:56:22. #45
JusticeFT96
Senior Member Posted 2012-05-24 17:32:49
Very helpful thread this, when I get it microchipped what do I need to ask for in regards to the microchip standard?
When you get your rabies vaccine do you have to ask for a certificate or will they give you one anyway? Does anyone live in pattaya? If so can you pm me please? Is it difficult sending the serum samples, do you have to buy the packaging yourself or is there a company that will do it all for you. I also have been quoted 20k baht per dog to get this process done 
#46
CMExpat79
Advanced Member Posted 2012-05-25 23:20:32
Hi
The microchipo has to be ISO standard Rabies injection - the vet must administer the after the pet has been microchipped. They will put the sticker from the actual rabies vaccine in your pets vaccine booklet, as well as stamp their vets stamp on that page too. They will also fill in their part of the third country vet certificate (annex 2 for the uk) which wil then be verified by the animal quarantine station in Bangkok. Sending the sample is really easy. The serum version lasts longer, we literally bought a small box from the thai post office, and placed a small ice pack from Big C inside (we froze the ice pack in our freezer overnight) we then placed bubble wrap in the box to give it some extra protection. Personally I would buy the packaging yourself, as a company will charge you more. If you ask the lab inthe UK for guicande on how to package they will be able to tell you more. It is really easy, and much cheaper You will also need to attach an envelop on the outside of the box with an import permit (the lab will give you this to print off) for customs in the UK to access if needed. I was also approached by a company in bangkok who wanted to do this for me for 20k per dog, which is just too much. You should also note that the sample (if sending your dog to the UK) should be sent to an approved EU lab as listed on DEFRAs website. Hope this helps and good luck.... ps has anyone sent their dog recently to the UK under the new rules?? just out of curiosty
#47
CMExpat79
Advanced Member Posted 2012-05-25 23:21:37
Quick question....does anyone know where in Chiang Mai we can buy the Live Animal stickers to put on the dogs carriers??
We asked the cargo guy at the airport but he says we need to get them from the UK??? #48
JusticeFT96
Senior Member Posted Yesterday, 21:15
Thanks CMExpat79 is there any chance you can tell me the lab you sent it to? I would prefer to use one that someone on here has had a good experience with.
About my pets vaccine booklet. I cant find it at the moment, we have moved house 3 times in the last year and it has to be here somewhere but I just cant find it at the moment, do I just ask for a new booklet or will I have to do something else? Cheers |
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