243 replies to this topic
Posted 2012-02-05 19:59:13
 catmac, on 2012-02-05 13:22:36, said:
softgeorge, on 2012-02-02 13:24:47, said:
Beetlejuice, on 2012-02-02 13:14:26, said:
Very tragic.
So young, it makes me think about my own kids, I could cry, truly I could.
All these Thai bashers on here. As yet we are not in possession of all the facts and are not able to assume anything.
The problem is that many tourists are not familiar with the Thai system of driving, different road rules and so on. I can remember the very first time I hit the roads in Thailand, it came as an awful shock, and it was a miracle that I survived the first year. But eventually I learned to drive defensively in Thailand, but it took time.
I believe that young inexperienced tourists like these should not be let loose on the roads here without first being briefed on the dangers of Thailand’s roads. At least the travel agencies should issue leaflets just to make them aware.
Actually they were passengers in a vehicle driven by a Thai, don't bash the tourists simply because they were seated in the vehicle.
So true, softgeorge.
All these Thai apologists here, doing their best to switch the blame onto the victims. The facts are clear enough for a reasonable judgement of blame to be made onto the truck driver. The fact that he fled the scene is further proof of his guilt.
Admit Guilt? this is tantamount to saying that you are wrong! ,and owing to this insane Thai trait that doing so will cause "Loss of Face" is the reason why Thai people will never ever learn from their mistakes, cos to admit you have actually made one in the first place is regarded as deeply shaming for the person involved ,with a mindset like this it is totally impossible for them to improve in anything as they already think they are 110% in anything they do especially when behind the steering wheel.
Posted 2012-02-05 20:09:35
Rest in Peace and my condolences to all families who have lost a loved one. 
Posted 2012-02-06 07:09:16
supaprik, on 2012-02-02 10:01:27, said:
Hurricane51, on 2012-02-02 09:41:24, said:
"...Police are now hunting the driver, who fled the scene."
It seems this is true in the majority of tragic motorway accidents. And 99% of the time the driver is found, usually within a few hours. Why do they do it? It's a mystery to me.
I personally think the reason most flee the scene is that they are high on something,
For the type of person that runs, probably what you say, and the culture of not wanting to take the blame (and subsequent loss of face) and probably because they'll get beaten up and that they are WEAK.
Posted 2012-02-08 04:31:48
moskito, on 2012-02-03 01:36:21, said:
ALFREDO, on 2012-02-02 23:05:53, said:
Jimjim, on 2012-02-02 13:12:05, said:
I once road in a mini-bus from Chumpon to Ranong, for a visa run. It was terrifying, the van/bus driver kept passing other cars on blind corners as it was a windy route. I was so afraid of dying. I wanted to sleep because I was really tired, but no way that was going to happen being thrown from side to side going around corners so fast. I also used to drive a lot myself to a province outside BKK and saw some absolutely insane driving and a few horrible accidents with one van smashed from driver seat back to the last seat. Saw people under sheets on the side of the road, even a few kids across from my school. Thailand's roads are so unsafe and it's despicable the lack of appreciation for human life in the country.
And why not stop with that Visa and Borderruns, with Tens of Thousands of Kilometers for nothing and flying miles! by Bus ect to Ranong-on this same road, Penang-crazy long drive, Aranyaprathet-Poipet, Phnom Penh, Nong Khai, Vientiane ect!!!
Why not make it same in -Cambodia- can pay your Visa Extension inside country-Official and even with agents, without moving your ass from the beachchair!!! Convinient and not same dangerous same in Thailand! And the Thai Goverment gets the money, not the border taxes have to be paid to Lao, Cambodia or Myanmar! 
As soon as you have TESCO Lotus, SuperCheap, BigC and Central shopping mall plus some proper hospitals and girls for more decent prices as Baankok or Pattaya or Phuket you will hate it to make such big advertisement here in ThaiVisa (((: but btw, OFF TOPIC
 Surprisingly how good you can life in that underdeveloped country -Cambodia- without all your mentioned shopping temples and without Mc Donalds, Pizzahut and Subway ect. At least Kfc has arrived with a few Outlets in PP and SR. 
Posted 2012-02-08 04:42:51
soi41, on 2012-02-02 10:16:11, said:
Sad indeed. But also sad to see all the barstool-judges around here. You don't know what happened, but you are all ready to put the blame on the truckdriver. What about an unexperienced Swedish driver, new driverslicence, rental car and driving (for a Swede) on the wrong side of the road ?? OR
a Thai driver in the Swedes car, trying to impress the young ladies ??
You are joking, aren't you?
Posted 2012-02-08 04:44:18
josephinebloggs, on 2012-02-02 10:31:53, said:
Hurricane51, on 2012-02-02 09:41:24, said:
"...Police are now hunting the driver, who fled the scene."
It seems this is true in the majority of tragic motorway accidents. And 99% of the time the driver is found, usually within a few hours. Why do they do it? It's a mystery to me.
1 ) Because they don't like taking responsibilty for their actions
2 ) It could invariably involve paying some form of compensation.
3) To sober up before facing the police.
Posted 2012-02-08 16:22:35
katabeachbum, on 2012-02-02 10:02:58, said:
RIP, Vila i Frid
an excellent dual lane highway, been driving it more than 100 times, wonder how it could happen?
a whiteplated car, thus not a legal taxi, with driver from Isarn 1300km away
as for road casualties, in Phuket its down to 1/3 of what it used to be a decade ago, despite double the traffic
I find that very hard to believe where are your figures from
Posted 2012-02-08 16:31:27
Swedes from Horror Crash on Their Way Home
Dennis Krog
PHUKET: -- The bodies of the four young Swedes who were killed in a crash last week will be placed on a flight from Phuket to Bangkok tonight. Then it will be a matter of connecting with an aircraft bound for Stockholm.
The young Swedes were killed in a tragic accident as they were passengers in a taxi that was suppose to take the two Swedish couples from Patong to The popular diving destination of Koh Tao as the accident happened.
All four Swedes and the Thai driver were killed instantly.
The Thai driver Wichit Phromluang, 26, has already been farewelled in a Buddhist cremation at his home province, in northern Thailand.
Source: http://www.scandasia...18&coun_code=se
-- scandasia.com 2012-02-08
Posted 2012-02-08 16:36:30
A very sad story , RIP . did the police find the driver ? He should rot in jail for the rest of his life , those trucks are so dangerous , last saturday my friend in pattaya was nearly killed because a truck didnt stop at the red light , thanks god he only have 2 broken ribs but he could have died because of stupidity and total lack of driving knowledge from those people. Thailand roads are far more dangerous than any other places.
Posted 2012-02-08 16:38:55
KeyserSoze01, on 2012-02-08 04:42:51, said:
soi41, on 2012-02-02 10:16:11, said:
Sad indeed. But also sad to see all the barstool-judges around here. You don't know what happened, but you are all ready to put the blame on the truckdriver. What about an unexperienced Swedish driver, new driverslicence, rental car and driving (for a Swede) on the wrong side of the road ?? OR
a Thai driver in the Swedes car, trying to impress the young ladies ??
You are joking, aren't you?
I really hope he is jocking ..... in that case why the driver fled the scene ? any other ridiculous comment like that ?
Posted 2012-02-08 16:58:36
All this talk of Thai bashing is absolute category one garbage, anyone reaching for a keyboard to type that phrase in needs their head examined.
Carnage on the roads is not acceptable......deaths on the road are unavoidable........but carnage is something else altogether.
The way the Thai driving licences are issued starts the whole sorry process off on the wrong foot,,,,,,,,the way that they will transport people at high speed in the back of pick up trucks and songthaews then adds to the certainty of carnage following........the patchy enforcement of road safety and vehicle laws then adds a bit more.
I could go on......there are plenty of police and road check points throughout the country........Thailand could make a vast difference to road safety very quickly if it put it's mind to it.
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How many passenger seats on aircraft could be filled by dead tourists every year in Thailand? People who left their home countries full of vigour and excitement, and going home dead?
How many times do we need to fight this stupid Thai bashing argument on Thaivisa?
Edited by theblether, 2012-02-08 17:05:00.
Posted 2012-02-08 17:09:01
theblether, on 2012-02-08 16:58:36, said:
All this talk of Thai bashing is absolute category one garbage, anyone reaching for a keyboard to type that phrase in needs their head examined.
Carnage on the roads is not acceptable......deaths on the road are unavoidable........but carnage is something else altogether.
The way the Thai driving licences are issued starts the whole sorry process off on the wrong foot,,,,,,,,the way that they will transport people at high speed in the back of pick up trucks and songthaews then adds to the certainty of carnage following........the patchy enforcement of road safety and vehicle laws then adds a bit more.
I could go on......there are plenty of police and road check points throughout the country........Thailand could make a vast difference to road safety very quickly if it put it's mind to it.
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How many passenger seats on aircraft could be filled by dead tourists every year in Thailand? People who left their home countries full of vigour and excitement, and going home dead?
How many times do we need to fight this stupid Thai bashing argument on Thaivisa?
You can lead a horticulture but you can't make her think.
Same as trying to make many, not all, Thais consider the consequences od their actions. Every Thai teenager should be made spend a few hours in a hospital A&E department --- see the consequences of bad motorbike riding and bad driving.
The government shoud make reduction of road deaths a priority and instruct the police accordingly. Sadly the police are more about helmets, t-money and nod road safety.
Edited by Gers1873, 2012-02-08 17:09:41.
Posted 2012-02-08 18:11:15
Oberkommando, on 2012-02-04 19:22:40, said:
Quote A report on the Swedish website Svenska Dagbladet listed Thailand and Turkey as the two tourist destinations with the largest number of Swedish fatalities in both 2009 and 2010
So Thailand is now the most dangerous tourism destination for Swedes, as well as for Brits and Aussies.
The truth is slowly coming out.
What kind of an idiotic and blinkered comment is this? If there are large numbers of a certain nationality to a certain destination, chances are that fatalities / casualties will be higher. Furthermore, if a destination attracts some certain personalities (such as being drunk, rude, misbehaving - not saying that these 4 young tourists are at all like this), then they are bound to get into trouble more often.
I have visited practically all the European major cities and capitals and nowhere do I feel more safe than in Bangkok. Of course, I'm not the kind of tourist that Pattaya / Phuket attracts.
Posted 2012-02-08 19:30:20
Hurricane51, on 2012-02-02 09:41:24, said:
"...Police are now hunting the driver, who fled the scene."
It seems this is true in the majority of tragic motorway accidents. And 99% of the time the driver is found, usually within a few hours. Why do they do it? It's a mystery to me.
Many are drunk now it is no mystery to you
Posted 2012-02-08 20:12:57
laurentbkk, on 2012-02-08 16:36:30, said:
A very sad story , RIP . did the police find the driver ? He should rot in jail for the rest of his life , those trucks are so dangerous , last saturday my friend in pattaya was nearly killed because a truck didnt stop at the red light , thanks god he only have 2 broken ribs but he could have died because of stupidity and total lack of driving knowledge from those people. Thailand roads are far more dangerous than any other places.
Road deaths per 100,000 inhabitants Uk 3.6, USA 12.3, India 16.8, Thailand 19.6, Brasil 19.9, Myanmar 23.4, The Gambia 36.6, World 20.8, Then road deaths per 100,000 Motor vehicles - Uk 7, USA 15, Brasil 71, Thailand118, India 1,120, Myanmar 3342, The Gambia 5,228, World 93.3
Posted 2012-02-09 03:32:04
steve187, on 2012-02-08 20:12:57, said:
Road deaths per 100,000 inhabitants Uk 3.6, USA 12.3, India 16.8, Thailand 19.6, Brasil 19.9, Myanmar 23.4, The Gambia 36.6, World 20.8, Then road deaths per 100,000 Motor vehicles - Uk 7, USA 15, Brasil 71, Thailand118, India 1,120, Myanmar 3342, The Gambia 5,228, World 93.3
Source ?
Edited by David48, 2012-02-09 03:32:46.
Posted 2012-02-10 12:54:26
moonbarman, on 2012-02-08 16:22:35, said:
katabeachbum, on 2012-02-02 10:02:58, said:
as for road casualties, in Phuket its down to 1/3 of what it used to be a decade ago, despite double the traffic
I find that very hard to believe where are your figures from
As far as I can remember, source Phuket Gazette, 10 - 12 years ago 175 Road casualties on Phuket roads, nearly 160 from them with Motorbikes.
The increased use of Helmets and the heavily increased traffic on Phukets roads, which makes speeding more difficult and limited to less times, less places decreased the casualty number to a little over 100, 107? in 2011.
Considering the inhabitants-many not registered in Phuket, Alien workers and Tourists on the island, all together, lets say about 5-600.000, the numbers
-steve187- wrote, would fit in. No big difference to other parts of TH.
Posted 2012-02-24 20:46:21
soi41, on 2012-02-02 13:39:02, said:
After reading all the posts on this thread, thaibashing, racism and everything inbetween, I wonder how it comes that we only react to a horrific accident like this, when someone from our own "tribe" is the victim. Accidents like this happens every week, pickup trucks with constructionworkers hit by a truck,bus,train and 8-10 death and nobody cares. But as soon a farang is involved, it is a complete different story.
Do we consider a white life worth more than a brown life ?
No we don't. Most of us are sickened by the senseless carnage that we witness nearly every day on the roads here, regardless of the colour of the victims. What I can't stand is your determination to try to shift the blame onto the victims (in this case, asserting that one of the Swedes was driving the car- see your previous post). Being a Thai apologist to this extreme blinds you to the reality.
Posted 2012-02-24 20:58:02
catmac, on 2012-02-24 20:46:21, said:
soi41, on 2012-02-02 13:39:02, said:
After reading all the posts on this thread, thaibashing, racism and everything inbetween, I wonder how it comes that we only react to a horrific accident like this, when someone from our own "tribe" is the victim. Accidents like this happens every week, pickup trucks with constructionworkers hit by a truck,bus,train and 8-10 death and nobody cares. But as soon a farang is involved, it is a complete different story.
Do we consider a white life worth more than a brown life ?
No we don't. Most of us are sickened by the senseless carnage that we witness nearly every day on the roads here, regardless of the colour of the victims. What I can't stand is your determination to try to shift the blame onto the victims (in this case, asserting that one of the Swedes was driving the car- see your previous post). Being a Thai apologist to this extreme blinds you to the reality.
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