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Posted 2012-02-04 09:43:38
Dusit Poll found most Thais more satisfied with new minimum salary-wage policy of Pheu Thai govt
BANGKOK, 4 February 2012 (NNT) – The latest survey among Thais found that most think the current government's new minimum wage/salary policy is better than what the previous administration has come up with.
Suan Dusit Poll has, on Friday, released details of a survey on the comparison between the government of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra and the Abhisit Vejjajiva administration.
The survey asked 2,163 people across the country from January 28th to February 2nd.
Most of the respondents viewed the current government's top-3 policies better than those implemented by the Democrat Party-led government.
The number-1 policy that most who answered the survey found most impressive was the increase in the country's minimum salary for holders of bachelor's degree to THB15,000 and minimum daily wage to THB300. The 2nd-most impressive policy in the eyes of Thais is the drug suppression, with the government's policies on trade, investment and international relations noted as number-3 on people's minds.
When asked about any 3 policies of the Pheu Thai-led government that are worse than those of the previous administration, people have chosen the appointments of ministers, the various public assistance policies and the free utilities and transport service, respectively.
The survey also found that most people think both governments are equally good in supporting education, while they completely failed the public when it comes to solving political conflicts.
 -- NNT 2012-02-04
Posted 2012-02-04 09:49:40
 Siam Simon, on 2012-02-04 09:42:37, said:
Thankyou for all of that.
... not that that will stop you from bringing up ridiculous accusations again, right.
Posted 2012-02-04 10:02:21
whybother, on 2012-02-04 09:49:40, said:
Siam Simon, on 2012-02-04 09:42:37, said:
Thankyou for all of that.
... not that that will stop you from bringing up ridiculous accusations again, right.
Oh.....I don't need to  .
Posted 2012-02-04 10:09:51
Siam Simon, on 2012-02-04 08:52:24, said:
whybother, on 2012-02-04 08:43:43, said:
Siam Simon, on 2012-02-04 08:37:40, said:
Except that he stated that he didn't have a choice AFTER he'd been given his place at the trough. Sometimes, Whybother, you are so desparate to post propaganda that you fall over yourself in your eagernessto do so, and embarrass yourself.
How does being given a place change whether he had "a choice"? Obviously, if he didn't want a place at the trough he would have made a different choice.
So long as you feel comfortable with what you are doing on this forum, don't worry about it. If I were doing what you are doing here I would feel like sh1t within myself. But I'm not, I'm posting honest personal opinions, so I don't. But all the best, and it must be worth it.
Many devoted pro government posters never seem to attack the failings of this said government, and it's antics.
Whybother and many more spell out the wrongs starting with no election promises fulfilled, the fugitive stirring trouble from abroad, the cabinet line up etc.
good constructive criticism is healthy, instead of attacking members who do criticize please tell us your version of the good this government has done so far (7 months), and you said you were honest, so tell us the bad things that they are doing.
Posted 2012-02-04 10:19:51
Siam Simon, on 2012-02-04 08:52:24, said:
whybother, on 2012-02-04 08:43:43, said:
Siam Simon, on 2012-02-04 08:37:40, said:
Except that he stated that he didn't have a choice AFTER he'd been given his place at the trough. Sometimes, Whybother, you are so desparate to post propaganda that you fall over yourself in your eagernessto do so, and embarrass yourself.
How does being given a place change whether he had "a choice"? Obviously, if he didn't want a place at the trough he would have made a different choice.
So long as you feel comfortable with what you are doing on this forum, don't worry about it. If I were doing what you are doing here I would feel like sh1t within myself. But I'm not, I'm posting honest personal opinions, so I don't. But all the best, and it must be worth it.
Yes, Siam Simon, your opinions, most of which I strongly disagree with.
Posted 2012-02-04 10:29:39
ginjag, on 2012-02-04 10:09:51, said:
Siam Simon, on 2012-02-04 08:52:24, said:
whybother, on 2012-02-04 08:43:43, said:
Siam Simon, on 2012-02-04 08:37:40, said:
Except that he stated that he didn't have a choice AFTER he'd been given his place at the trough. Sometimes, Whybother, you are so desparate to post propaganda that you fall over yourself in your eagernessto do so, and embarrass yourself.
How does being given a place change whether he had "a choice"? Obviously, if he didn't want a place at the trough he would have made a different choice.
So long as you feel comfortable with what you are doing on this forum, don't worry about it. If I were doing what you are doing here I would feel like sh1t within myself. But I'm not, I'm posting honest personal opinions, so I don't. But all the best, and it must be worth it.
Many devoted pro government posters never seem to attack the failings of this said government, and it's antics.
Whybother and many more spell out the wrongs starting with no election promises fulfilled, the fugitive stirring trouble from abroad, the cabinet line up etc.
good constructive criticism is healthy, instead of attacking members who do criticize please tell us your version of the good this government has done so far (7 months), and you said you were honest, so tell us the bad things that they are doing.
Whybother joined this forum during the 2010 troubles and made one thousand (yes, that's 1000) posts in the news clippings section within a month of joining. He didn't make a single post in any other part of the forum. And then there was jcbangkok.....
But, and to move on, the best thing that the current government has done is to get elected, and that's great for democracy and a thumb in the eye for the uglies that installed the last government. But the current government is a 5 out of 10 performance (not much different from the last government) . Some so-called first teamers are expected back soon. I'm not excited. It always seems business as usual to me. My view is that Abhisit should have hung back and plugged away at the 'only in it for themselves' angle until he got the majority protest vote. But he couldn't see beyond the end of his nose (ooh, prime minister in my mid-forties) and he blew it by aligning with a greedy bunch who managed to turn Thaksin into a martyr..
Posted 2012-02-04 10:34:23
Siam Simon, on 2012-02-04 10:02:21, said:
whybother, on 2012-02-04 09:49:40, said:
Siam Simon, on 2012-02-04 09:42:37, said:
Thankyou for all of that.
... not that that will stop you from bringing up ridiculous accusations again, right.
Oh.....I don't need to .
The newspaper piece says: 'The number-1 policy that most who answered the survey found most impressive was the increase in the country's minimum salary for holders of bachelor's degree to THB15,000 and minimum daily wage to THB300. ....."
Well all of that needs to be put into a more correct context
1. The 15,000Baht starting minimum for new graduates. In fact it's hasn't been implmented and their is on-going total confusion with lots of relevant questions and no answers, and no sign of any answers because no matter what direction pt tries to take with this they open up numerous other serious and very sensitive pandora's boxes.
2. The 300Baht daily minimum. Again a minefield and now promises of implementtaion soon for 7 provinces and for some provinces implementation in 2015 (some 4 to 5 years after it was promised and in fact breaking the promise).
Plus, nobody seems to have given any thought to the strong possibility that folks in Bkk and maybe 6 more provinces will very probably demand and get even more rises up to 2015, making the gap even bigger.
Plus, on top of all of that it's all now been challenged by a long list of organizations.
Posted 2012-02-04 10:44:06
Siam Simon #56
No answer to my post-side stepping again (yawn) attack whybother-attack Abhisit, you have just confirmed what I posted. you are among the blind who are being led by the blind. So in 7 months the only good they have done is being elected. totally ridiculous comment in a reply I expected to be more positive about it's achievements. Ha Ha Ha. amazing. another failed answer from a Yingluck fan
Posted 2012-02-04 10:44:42
Siam Simon, on 2012-02-04 10:29:39, said:
Whybother joined this forum during the 2010 troubles and made one thousand (yes, that's 1000) posts in the news clippings section within a month of joining. He didn't make a single post in any other part of the forum. And then there was jcbangkok.....
Ahhh ... yes ... forgot about that one. You also accused me of being the same poster as JCBangkok.
And now you're coming out with lies. I do hope you apologise for that one. You are very big on getting apologies for lying, after all.
Posted 2012-02-04 11:32:01
Just before the election in July 2011, the two party contesting the election were asked to solve a problem in front of the cameras for the electors to decide who were the people who were the more able to lead the country.
In front of the two camps, the host fill up a bathtub with water, then show them a teaspoon, a glass and a bucket and ask them to come up with the best solution to empty the bathtub in the shortest time possible.
In the democrat side, a brainstorming is going up. The PAD suggest to start a defamation campaign in the press, the army advises the use of a sniper, BJT suggests to bribe the host. Then Abhisit, with a smile, says, thanks to his Oxford education he has the best solution. He then start talking using a lot big words to conclude that of course the bucket being the biggest container, they will use the bucket to empty the bathtub.
Then it's Yingluck turn to answer. She hang up the phone, walk to the bathtub ... and pull out the plug.
The rest is history.
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Posted 2012-02-04 11:43:08
hellodolly, on 2012-02-03 23:49:59, said:
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-03 14:41:02, said:
A comparative study between Democratically elected Govts. would be more informative.
Considering that a military, coup installed Govt. owes its' allegiance to those who positioned them, their priorities would reflect it.
Whereas the current Ms. Y. Govt owes its' allegiance to the electorate. Her policies would reflect that electorate, as would other previous Govts. who came to power the same, democratic way.
Alternatively, it would be interesting to compare Thai Govts which were elected, vs. those who were 'coup'ed" into place.
You are new here aren't you. To much res shirt nonsense.
Check the facts who did the army turn the power over to when they stepped out?
He;s right, check the facts. Hopefully prior to posting
Posted 2012-02-04 11:45:18
drdoom6996, on 2012-02-04 11:43:08, said:
He;s right, check the facts. Hopefully prior to posting
Well, actually, the PPP came to power when the army stepped out.
Posted 2012-02-04 11:56:33
If the 300 baht policy has been postponed, that can only be good for the country, I will explain that...
Many SME's can't afford that, so they will have to move to provinces where that rule is not applied, the ones that can't move will sack employees to be able to cope with the extra expenditure, and the ones that can't do neither, will have to close and that will produce unemployment. I don't have an SME and i don't work for one, but for me it's obvious that will happen.
Not mentioning inflation; higher salaries, will mean increasing prices of goods to compensate for the increment in labour cost.
For a person who's making 150 baht per day would sound awesome to make double, but I don't think it will sound so awesome to the person who lost his job for that and for the person who kept it and then realized the 300 baht he/she's receiving is the not as good as 300 baht before inflation.
If that's in the mind of the government, the increment will be gradually and not from one day to the next... hope it is...
Am I wrong doing this analysis? Because if not, I'd put the wage management of this government with negative points.... hehehehe...
Have a nice weekend everyone!
P.S.: I tried making my analysis totally unbiased, I've got no sympathy for yellows, reds, blues, rainbows, etc. Just trying to live my life in harmony with all political and religious views.
Posted 2012-02-04 12:12:43
Neither government achieved a 50% approval rating in any category? I would say they both failed at everything, according to the poll. They would only get at passing grade in a Thai school.
Edited by kirk0233, 2012-02-04 12:13:15.
Posted 2012-02-04 12:13:48
Siam Simon, on 2012-02-04 01:05:32, said:
ianf, on 2012-02-03 17:58:21, said:
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-03 14:41:02, said:
A comparative study between Democratically elected Govts. would be more informative.
Considering that a military, coup installed Govt. owes its' allegiance to those who positioned them, their priorities would reflect it.
Whereas the current Ms. Y. Govt owes its' allegiance to the electorate. Her policies would reflect that electorate, as would other previous Govts. who came to power the same, democratic way.
Alternatively, it would be interesting to compare Thai Govts which were elected, vs. those who were 'coup'ed" into place.
I think you have made an error. The Abhisit Government was not installed by the coup makers. This is a myth propagated by the reds to suit their own purposes but not at all true.
No, Ian, you have made the error. The last coalition government was forced together by the army at General Anupong's house on an army barracks. The myth being propagated is that the coalition was just a routine negotiation between and coming together of politicians in parliament.
Some coalition partners claim it was forced, I would imagine the reality would be more like they were bribed, do you really think any of their lives were in danger?
Posted 2012-02-04 12:20:37
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-03 14:41:02, said:
A comparative study between Democratically elected Govts. would be more informative.
Considering that a military, coup installed Govt. owes its' allegiance to those who positioned them, their priorities would reflect it.
Whereas the current Ms. Y. Govt owes its' allegiance to the electorate. Her policies would reflect that electorate, as would other previous Govts. who came to power the same, democratic way.
Alternatively, it would be interesting to compare Thai Govts which were elected, vs. those who were 'coup'ed" into place.
Why would that be more informative? When was the last elected party before the present one? Almost a decade ago (remember Thaksin was a caretaker PM in 2006 and thus his government were no longer an elected one, but an overstaying one - so this means going back to when he WAS elected, i.e. his last elected government). Would that make sense? Also, why does the manor or elevation to government mane any difference whatsoever with regard to performance once in there?
What WOULD be better, is if they lined up the first 6 months of both governments (like for like time wise) and only listed those policies put in place and how events were handled. Abhisit had plenty of issues during his first 6 months and so has Yinluck, so how do "we" (meaning the Thai electorate) rate them for their ability to deal with the crisis, international trade and negotiations, domestic product and the economy, policies put into place (or removed), etc.
Yinluck actually scores better than some may think in some categories - lets take the one she is most attacked for, international trade and negotiations - sure she is as eloquent as whoopee cushion, but she managed to hang on to many Thai based foreign manufacturers (like Honda) that were practically walking out the door after the floods. On policies, neither put many in their first 6 months, so probably 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. In crisis management, Dems probably score better on the first 6 months (as this is mostly Burma and Southern problems - the Red Shirt rallies and Cambodia problems were still on the horizon - which must bring them crashing down - especially the latter).
The Dems also had the advantage and disadvantage that they didn't have election promises to deliver (or to make a trusting - perhaps gullible - electorate expectant). However, this perhaps makes policies delivered in the public interest (if we consider any were - free medical?) more impressive than the PTP who have little choice but to follow their promises.
Posted 2012-02-04 12:24:26
Gianni77, on 2012-02-04 11:56:33, said:
If the 300 baht policy has been postponed, that can only be good for the country, I will explain that...
Many SME's can't afford that, so they will have to move to provinces where that rule is not applied, the ones that can't move will sack employees to be able to cope with the extra expenditure, and the ones that can't do neither, will have to close and that will produce unemployment. I don't have an SME and i don't work for one, but for me it's obvious that will happen.
Not mentioning inflation; higher salaries, will mean increasing prices of goods to compensate for the increment in labour cost.
For a person who's making 150 baht per day would sound awesome to make double, but I don't think it will sound so awesome to the person who lost his job for that and for the person who kept it and then realized the 300 baht he/she's receiving is the not as good as 300 baht before inflation.
If that's in the mind of the government, the increment will be gradually and not from one day to the next... hope it is...
Am I wrong doing this analysis? Because if not, I'd put the wage management of this government with negative points.... hehehehe...
Have a nice weekend everyone!
P.S.: I tried making my analysis totally unbiased, I've got no sympathy for yellows, reds, blues, rainbows, etc. Just trying to live my life in harmony with all political and religious views.
Yes, agree it is a silly and over stated policy, but it was still an election promise. A first year economics student could see the repurcusions of the policy, but that didn't stop the PTP from using it as an election promise. So, if they don't deliver (or , as they have done, water it down and shove it a government or so away into the futre), it must be a fail. Populists promises must be delivered to keep them popular - as the term itself suggests.
Posted 2012-02-04 12:32:27
POPULAR
One of the assumptions made by several people in this forum is that any acknowledgement of the postive aspects of the elected government is considered to be the product of devoted pro government posters.
I recognize that the election of a government with an actual popular mandate was a much better option than the previous government that was cobbled together by various factions with a PM that had been denied a clear mandate from the population to hold the PM's office. Unlike Mr. Abhisit, who ran for the office of PM as head of his party and was soundly defeated, Madame Yingluck who was the announced PM designate for the PTP received a clear electoral mandate when the PTP won the election. That change in government was an important first step to calming the cauldron of political strife in Thailand.
For all intents and purposes,with the exception of several key components of the PTP election platform. many of the government policies are similar to the previous administration. Industrial development, treasury board and internal revenue activity follows the same path as the previous government, just as it followed the conditions during the military dictatorship and much as it worked during the Thaksin era. Elected officials may change, but the civil service bureaucrats do not.
Despite all the accusations of corruption made in the forum, there have been fewer corruption scandals associated with the current government than there were with the previous administration. Sorry, but its true. In the short time Abhisit was in office, there were multiple corruption scandals along with ministers being obliged to resign. I don't doubt for a minute that there isn't corruption going on now, but the fact of the matter is that it is far less than what was there before. The cynics will say, just wait and it will come. Well, it just might, but if the current government follows through on its statement about having oversight of big project spending, then it will have achieved a milestone in Thailand's economic development. The failing of the stimulus packages in the prevous administration was that there was no oversight.
Most importantly, the Yingluck led government is seen as a legitimate government. Mr. Abhisit did not enjoy that image. Foreign governments dealt with Abhisit because that's all there was, but they were not going to cut him any favours. One need only look at the hardline the internaional community drew on the dispute with Cambodia. In the time that the PTP has been in power, the likelihood of a war with Cambodia has receded and foreign governments are somewhat more sympathetic to Thailand now.
Recognizing those positive changes does not make me a devoted pro government supporter. I vehemently disagree with the decision of the goverment to change the minsiter of finance, replacing a well respected man of integrity with a Korn clone. I have also expressed my dismay that a woman linked to the Mugabe regime was given cabinet rank. However, the dfference with this government and the previous government is that MPs and ministers have expressed their concerns. In the previous administration, no MP or minister dared speak out. I do not agree with the appointment of the Redshirts into the government, however, the decision reflects Thai culture and is part of the reconciliation effort. Other governments have done the same. Examples are the Cambodians integrating the Khmer Rouge, the Indians integrating the Maoists and the Burmese now making peace with ethnic groups and offering a participation. Including excluded groups reduces conflict in the long term. I don't like it, but it has a proven track record. The redshirts are now a part of the government and have to behave. This is why I am able to see the positive aspects of the current government. In my ideal world, the former finance minister would be PM and Thailand would launch a massive anti corruption crackdown, Unfortunately, if that were to ever happen, 1/2 the population would be in jail and the nation would collapse.
Edited by geriatrickid, 2012-02-04 12:33:25.
Posted 2012-02-04 14:10:23
Siam Simon, on 2012-02-04 04:44:00, said:
rubl, on 2012-02-04 02:48:47, said:
begin removed ...
BTW PM Samak had to step down (lied a wee bit about the income of his cooking program), but could have been re-elected as PM the very same day. K. Thaksin didn't like his independent stance and preferred his brother-in-law k. Somchai. I guess since no military were involved that can be called very democratic ?
Samak was a sop to Thaksin's opponents, but, as you stated, he became dispensable when he became too independant. But the big difference between Thaksin's interference and the interference of his opponents is that Thaksin has huge popular support, but his opponents don't. Didn't you notice the results of the last general election?
I did notice the results of the last elections, there was even a voting station outside my apartment block. I also noticed in neither the December 2007 nor the June 2011 general elections k. Thaksin was a candidate.
This current government is surely the best money and promises could buy. A Thaksin clone as PM and a cabinet selected on suitability. Huge popular support for k. Thaksin, but not necessarily this government, apart from the fact that 'bought popular support' is seldomly if ever benifitial to a country in the long run.
As for the OP "comparative rating ..." I have seen too many poll results in Thailand contradicting each other to put much faith in them. I would probably only agree if it says PM Yingluck looks better than k. Abhisit, but with even such a small thing some may not agree with me 
Posted 2012-02-05 01:20:47
ginjag, on 2012-02-04 10:44:06, said:
Siam Simon #56
No answer to my post-side stepping again (yawn) attack whybother-attack Abhisit, you have just confirmed what I posted. you are among the blind who are being led by the blind. So in 7 months the only good they have done is being elected. totally ridiculous comment in a reply I expected to be more positive about it's achievements. Ha Ha Ha. amazing. another failed answer from a Yingluck fan
I replied to your question but didn't write a thesis or give you an answer you wanted to read. But I'll expand a bit for you. Seven months in, they haven't done much good or much bad. They haven't done much at all. The computer tablet for schools is radical and a potentially brilliant move forward for education, but it could all go belly up. I suspect that the eventuality will be somewhere inbetween, with better results in some locations than others (but I fully expect the usual suspects on this forum to be all over any failures like a rash, proclaing the demise of the project). The floods were handled poorly, but I suspect that floods of the magnitude we saw last year would have been handled badly by any Thai government. Affairs with Cambodia improved, but considering who runs things in Cambodia and how badly the last government handled things, that's no surprise. Other than that, there's not an awful lot to report on other than the usual few minor stuff either way. No doubt, the above wasn't what you wanted to read, so there will be more boring, lame debating tactics from you plus one-or-two more personal jibes.
And typical antithaksinista ranter jibe about me being a Yingluck fan. I'm not.
Posted 2012-02-05 01:28:37
longway, on 2012-02-04 12:13:48, said:
Siam Simon, on 2012-02-04 01:05:32, said:
ianf, on 2012-02-03 17:58:21, said:
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-03 14:41:02, said:
A comparative study between Democratically elected Govts. would be more informative.
Considering that a military, coup installed Govt. owes its' allegiance to those who positioned them, their priorities would reflect it.
Whereas the current Ms. Y. Govt owes its' allegiance to the electorate. Her policies would reflect that electorate, as would other previous Govts. who came to power the same, democratic way.
Alternatively, it would be interesting to compare Thai Govts which were elected, vs. those who were 'coup'ed" into place.
I think you have made an error. The Abhisit Government was not installed by the coup makers. This is a myth propagated by the reds to suit their own purposes but not at all true.
No, Ian, you have made the error. The last coalition government was forced together by the army at General Anupong's house on an army barracks. The myth being propagated is that the coalition was just a routine negotiation between and coming together of politicians in parliament.
Some coalition partners claim it was forced, I would imagine the reality would be more like they were bribed, do you really think any of their lives were in danger?
Bribery of politicians doesn't require the detention and isolation of it's recipients, and there is absolutely no need whatsoever to do the bribing in the army chief of staff's home on a military barracks. Some of you posters need to take your thumbs out of your ears and your hands away from your eyes on this
Posted 2012-02-05 01:30:07
whybother, on 2012-02-04 10:44:42, said:
Siam Simon, on 2012-02-04 10:29:39, said:
Whybother joined this forum during the 2010 troubles and made one thousand (yes, that's 1000) posts in the news clippings section within a month of joining. He didn't make a single post in any other part of the forum. And then there was jcbangkok.....
Ahhh ... yes ... forgot about that one. You also accused me of being the same poster as JCBangkok.
And now you're coming out with lies. I do hope you apologise for that one. You are very big on getting apologies for lying, after all.
jcbangkok didn't get banned, so why did you bin him? Too much like hard work?
Posted 2012-02-05 04:59:23
Siam Simon, on 2012-02-05 01:20:47, said:
ginjag, on 2012-02-04 10:44:06, said:
Siam Simon #56
No answer to my post-side stepping again (yawn) attack whybother-attack Abhisit, you have just confirmed what I posted. you are among the blind who are being led by the blind. So in 7 months the only good they have done is being elected. totally ridiculous comment in a reply I expected to be more positive about it's achievements. Ha Ha Ha. amazing. another failed answer from a Yingluck fan
I replied to your question but didn't write a thesis or give you an answer you wanted to read. But I'll expand a bit for you. Seven months in, they haven't done much good or much bad. They haven't done much at all. The computer tablet for schools is radical and a potentially brilliant move forward for education, but it could all go belly up. I suspect that the eventuality will be somewhere inbetween, with better results in some locations than others (but I fully expect the usual suspects on this forum to be all over any failures like a rash, proclaing the demise of the project). The floods were handled poorly, but I suspect that floods of the magnitude we saw last year would have been handled badly by any Thai government. Affairs with Cambodia improved, but considering who runs things in Cambodia and how badly the last government handled things, that's no surprise. Other than that, there's not an awful lot to report on other than the usual few minor stuff either way. No doubt, the above wasn't what you wanted to read, so there will be more boring, lame debating tactics from you plus one-or-two more personal jibes.
And typical antithaksinista ranter jibe about me being a Yingluck fan. I'm not.
This is a rather bland and negative reply,looking at the situation from day 1 of the governments achievements thus far there havent been any,so this landslide (coalition) set up, should be marching forward, instead nothing-you never mentioned the P.Ms performance ? ducking and diving-avoiding most situations and sittings, why not comment on the cabinet?? it's selection. please do not come back with the old thing sorry you did not post what I wanted... the tablet promise was a joke-and you know it, as was all the election promises. If your trying to look independent make an effort to point out the flaws, and cock-ups. The nothing much to report attitude is not very good for a new landslide government. I want the government to do well, and I'm not happy how things are going so far.
Posted 2012-02-05 05:24:42
ginjag, on 2012-02-05 04:59:23, said:
Siam Simon, on 2012-02-05 01:20:47, said:
ginjag, on 2012-02-04 10:44:06, said:
Siam Simon #56
No answer to my post-side stepping again (yawn) attack whybother-attack Abhisit, you have just confirmed what I posted. you are among the blind who are being led by the blind. So in 7 months the only good they have done is being elected. totally ridiculous comment in a reply I expected to be more positive about it's achievements. Ha Ha Ha. amazing. another failed answer from a Yingluck fan
I replied to your question but didn't write a thesis or give you an answer you wanted to read. But I'll expand a bit for you. Seven months in, they haven't done much good or much bad. They haven't done much at all. The computer tablet for schools is radical and a potentially brilliant move forward for education, but it could all go belly up. I suspect that the eventuality will be somewhere inbetween, with better results in some locations than others (but I fully expect the usual suspects on this forum to be all over any failures like a rash, proclaing the demise of the project). The floods were handled poorly, but I suspect that floods of the magnitude we saw last year would have been handled badly by any Thai government. Affairs with Cambodia improved, but considering who runs things in Cambodia and how badly the last government handled things, that's no surprise. Other than that, there's not an awful lot to report on other than the usual few minor stuff either way. No doubt, the above wasn't what you wanted to read, so there will be more boring, lame debating tactics from you plus one-or-two more personal jibes.
And typical antithaksinista ranter jibe about me being a Yingluck fan. I'm not.
This is a rather bland and negative reply,looking at the situation from day 1 of the governments achievements thus far there havent been any,so this landslide (coalition) set up, should be marching forward, instead nothing-you never mentioned the P.Ms performance ? ducking and diving-avoiding most situations and sittings, why not comment on the cabinet?? it's selection. please do not come back with the old thing sorry you did not post what I wanted... the tablet promise was a joke-and you know it, as was all the election promises. If your trying to look independent make an effort to point out the flaws, and cock-ups. The nothing much to report attitude is not very good for a new landslide government. I want the government to do well, and I'm not happy how things are going so far.
"the tablet promise was a joke-and you know it"
The tablet promise is moving along rather well, which shows that you were writing with forked tongue when you wrote
"I want the government to do well"
As to the rest of your post, like I already told you, the subject is not worth a thesis yet, nothing much has happened.
I notice that you keep proclaiming yourself as an independant thinker, but almost all you ever seem to do is slag off anything connected to the current government, defend everything that the last government did, and make demands of other posters on these threads to do the same.
Edited by Siam Simon, 2012-02-05 05:26:53.
Posted 2012-02-05 05:26:39
longway, on 2012-02-04 12:13:48, said:
Siam Simon, on 2012-02-04 01:05:32, said:
ianf, on 2012-02-03 17:58:21, said:
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-03 14:41:02, said:
A comparative study between Democratically elected Govts. would be more informative.
Considering that a military, coup installed Govt. owes its' allegiance to those who positioned them, their priorities would reflect it.
Whereas the current Ms. Y. Govt owes its' allegiance to the electorate. Her policies would reflect that electorate, as would other previous Govts. who came to power the same, democratic way.
Alternatively, it would be interesting to compare Thai Govts which were elected, vs. those who were 'coup'ed" into place.
I think you have made an error. The Abhisit Government was not installed by the coup makers. This is a myth propagated by the reds to suit their own purposes but not at all true.
No, Ian, you have made the error. The last coalition government was forced together by the army at General Anupong's house on an army barracks. The myth being propagated is that the coalition was just a routine negotiation between and coming together of politicians in parliament.
Some coalition partners claim it was forced, I would imagine the reality would be more like they were bribed, do you really think any of their lives were in danger?
Unlike the present government that was formed in Dubai. However the topic is how they performed, and I would say that 7 months in the Dem were the most competent government. Yingluck is only in front in the bullshit promises category, although I will concede she has the duck and hide down pat.
Edited by waza, 2012-02-05 05:33:39.
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