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[chooka]

newermonkey, on 2012-02-06 19:39:58, said:

I feel sorry for him, there are a lot of people who prefer younger partners, I am sure its genetic just as it is for others such as gay, straight or whatever etc... He is being tried for something he has no control over. I would like to know why there is so much hatred in peoples posts, I notice quite a lot of over reactions.

It was just a matter of time before all the pro pedophilles lobbyists came out.

[meatboy]

reading some of the posts reminds me of the saying IT TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE

[Colin Yai]

DoctorG, on 2012-02-07 03:24:08, said:

geriatrickid, on 2012-02-06 20:21:32, said:

Rather disgusting that some would  hope that the accused is raped or otherwise made the victim of a crime. There is a court system. It is the court system that will pass judgement and that will decide on the penalty. Fortunately, law and order will prevail. I am not particularly comfortable with mob "justice". I often think that some of the most violent reactions come from those that repress hidden desires.  
All that matters is that an abuser is removed from society and people are protected. He was able to what he did because along the way he had enablers. w\Whether it was the people that supplied the victims, or the  places where the victims were abused, or that looked the other way. Those people are just as guilty, and yet  no one says anything about them.

Unfortunately this subject always brings out the "lynch mob" mentality on TVF.

  Lynch mob?, I would say Mutual agreement on this distasteful practice ,I would hardly think that there are many Gary Glitter fans on TV !

[samsiam]

Jingthing, on 2012-02-07 05:24:57, said:

I think the issue of consent is complicated. Minors sometimes DO give consent and in some cases may even be sexually aggressive, but are not legally able to give consent. So in many countries including Thailand even though consent MAY have been given, the crimes are legally labeled RAPE because the minors are not legally able to ever give consent. Meaning the legal use of the word rape is not only physically forced sex. The emotional reactions about this class of crimes are of course understandable.

You might want to re word that.....I think a lot of people view the word 'minor' as quite young.....say under 10yo.

I think and hope you are using minor in relation to 13, 14, 15 etc.

[Markaew]

geezer553, on 2012-02-06 19:47:59, said:

i hope this 65 year old nonce gets beaten and raped i have no respect for people who sexually abuse children!!! -well done to the thai authorities who captured this evil man.....also wanted in the uk and india_why has it taken so long "why has he evaded capture for so long".

I agree with your statement, but the police like to parade a foreigner around when possible while completely overlooking the thousands of thai fathers having sex with their daughters. I went to my wife's home province this past week and heard many stories about thai fathers abusing their daughters even with complaints to the police. Nothing happened.

[softgeorge]

meatboy, on 2012-02-07 07:54:57, said:

reading some of the posts reminds me of the saying IT TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE

I agree it makes you wonder what sort of lifestyle those supporting the activities of pedophilles live.

[thequietman]

cardholder, on 2012-02-06 19:31:32, said:

ianf, on 2012-02-06 18:53:26, said:

cdnvic, on 2012-02-06 18:34:59, said:

Keep your posts civil. Obscene and rude replies will be removed.

It seems that whenever this subject is bought up we are in the world of the new 'witchcraft' - the 'burn them at the stake' mob come out and wave their flags. It seems to bring out the worst in people. I'm afraid that there may be underlying reasons why pedophilia is attractive to some people (mainly men) but it is something that you'll find has been part of society since the dawn of history. Why? I don't know. But I feel very uncomfortable with the 'hang 'em high' brigade simply because it just seems so archaic where mob prejudice takes over from rational thought. It brings out the worst in people - usually in the UK (eg The Sun readers or those that like the Daily Express and Mail). The sad thing to me is its OK for these people to enjoy their pornography with 18 (barely legal) or even 29 years olds dressed as schoolgirls - so they just fantasize that they are with kids (this includes Page 3 of the Sun which over the years has had plenty of schoolgirl look-alike models). I think many people may be encouraged to overstep the mark after seeing all this schoolgirl type modelling: It could actually encourage people to go after the real thing. So some rational discussion would be welcomed.

There are boundaries.  That is NOT open to discussion in my book.  This guy has frequently stepped over the boundary.

I have enjoyed several fantasies with 20 odd year old Pattaya girls dressing in uniforms etc. I have NEVER broken the law and I would NEVER suggest that such legal activities would ever encourage any right-minded person to cross line.

To suggest otherwise puts someone in the same category as the scumbag Andrews

you have never broken the law. (quote)

sleeping with a prostitute in thailand is illegal. are you not aware of this. also did you check her ID ?

[Docno]

I did my graduate work at a psych department that is the centre of research on sex aberrations in Canada (primarily because the national prison for sex offenders was in town). I didn't do research in the area myself, but some of my friends did (including a cute petite woman who was apparently expert on the use of the penile plethysmograph). Anyway, the thing is that for most offenders, this a compulsion that they cannot fight. Re-offending rates are apparently the highest among offense categories, and 'treatment' usually fails (short of chemical castration). And yes, it's probably a mix of genetics and environment (being abused oneself as a child). That doesn't remove responsibility from these people, but should make us uncomfortable with the "beat and burn" solution that many here are suggesting... sometimes it just comes across like each of us are trying to look more outraged than the last.

[blackthorn2005]

huahinjoe, on 2012-02-06 18:13:22, said:

englishinsiam, on 2012-02-06 16:54:48, said:

Another piece of filth off the streets.

Yeah, its very good but the problem is still have thousands more... Would be nice if some expat ex-policemen or who have some power or courage (Balls) make some group to catch this crazy people and give them some lessons.....

Just setup a young girl's fake profile on Thaifriendly.com and let see how they feel then if they meet some body builder instead of the young girls... Maybe will teach lessons for the rest guys too a leaked video about the kindly threatment...

No offense, just an idea, definitly will reduce the number of pedophiles very very quickly and they can organize with the local police after or take the guy to immigration.

So you think the Thai police are inadequate and some form of expat vigilante group should be set up?

[chrisinth]

Markaew, on 2012-02-07 08:04:18, said:

geezer553, on 2012-02-06 19:47:59, said:

i hope this 65 year old nonce gets beaten and raped i have no respect for people who sexually abuse children!!! -well done to the thai authorities who captured this evil man.....also wanted in the uk and india_why has it taken so long "why has he evaded capture for so long".

I agree with your statement, but the police like to parade a foreigner around when possible while completely overlooking the thousands of thai fathers having sex with their daughters. I went to my wife's home province this past week and heard many stories about thai fathers abusing their daughters even with complaints to the police. Nothing happened.

I am assuming that you are using Thailand as an example and not selecting them as unique. All countries have this peado problem, so before bashing, learn about where you come from.

Taking UK, the police have specialized units being given huge resources to try and tackle the organized groups of like-minded perverts. I congratulate them on their endeavours and applaud every arrest made. If you are fortunate enough to have never seen any of the media confiscated through these actions, be thankfull and stay ignorant!

Reading some of the comments on this thread, it looks like a lot of people are getting mixed up with underage sex and paedophilia. There is a world of difference between "jail-bait", where the teenager disguises their age and the attraction towards children, which is the proper defination of paedophillia.

[ableguy]

How can the embassy hold him, do they have cells what about extraditing him and the laws or am I reading this wrong?

[cardholder]

thequietman, on 2012-02-07 08:59:59, said:

cardholder, on 2012-02-06 19:31:32, said:

ianf, on 2012-02-06 18:53:26, said:

cdnvic, on 2012-02-06 18:34:59, said:

Keep your posts civil. Obscene and rude replies will be removed.

It seems that whenever this subject is bought up we are in the world of the new 'witchcraft' - the 'burn them at the stake' mob come out and wave their flags. It seems to bring out the worst in people. I'm afraid that there may be underlying reasons why pedophilia is attractive to some people (mainly men) but it is something that you'll find has been part of society since the dawn of history. Why? I don't know. But I feel very uncomfortable with the 'hang 'em high' brigade simply because it just seems so archaic where mob prejudice takes over from rational thought. It brings out the worst in people - usually in the UK (eg The Sun readers or those that like the Daily Express and Mail). The sad thing to me is its OK for these people to enjoy their pornography with 18 (barely legal) or even 29 years olds dressed as schoolgirls - so they just fantasize that they are with kids (this includes Page 3 of the Sun which over the years has had plenty of schoolgirl look-alike models). I think many people may be encouraged to overstep the mark after seeing all this schoolgirl type modelling: It could actually encourage people to go after the real thing. So some rational discussion would be welcomed.

There are boundaries.  That is NOT open to discussion in my book.  This guy has frequently stepped over the boundary.

I have enjoyed several fantasies with 20 odd year old Pattaya girls dressing in uniforms etc. I have NEVER broken the law and I would NEVER suggest that such legal activities would ever encourage any right-minded person to cross line.

To suggest otherwise puts someone in the same category as the scumbag Andrews

you have never broken the law. (quote)

sleeping with a prostitute in thailand is illegal. are you not aware of this. also did you check her ID ?

1. There are no prostitutes in Thailand
2. I don't sleep with them, I shag them and
3 I always check ID

[cardholder]

Rusty2009, on 2012-02-07 05:15:35, said:

i had another post removed, but had 4 people who liked it?? can anybody remeber the film a clock work orange, i suggest the same the cure then send him down soi cowboy with a few thousand baht in his shirt pocket.

Perhaps we need a "don't like" button then you may have a less postive judgement of your posts

[softgeorge]

cardholder, on 2012-02-07 11:36:47, said:

Rusty2009, on 2012-02-07 05:15:35, said:

i had another post removed, but had 4 people who liked it?? can anybody remeber the film a clock work orange, i suggest the same the cure then send him down soi cowboy with a few thousand baht in his shirt pocket.

Perhaps we need a "don't like" button then you may have a less postive judgement of your posts

You already have 2 options 1. click for like and 2. Do not click for dislike.

[sailor59]

housepainter, on 2012-02-06 19:53:11, said:

I find it interesting that he is held within the detention cells of the British Embassy. They no doubt instructed the Thai Police in the matter and were involved in his detention. Put simply, if it weren't for the BE involvement he'd still be a free man.

That is the reality.

The Thai Police don't see paedophilia as the problem we in the West do.

Whatever their protestations, the fact is, that his country makes sexual provisions for the worlds perverts and has industrialised prostitution as an institution and even managed to produce free lance prostitutes on a National Scale.

The truth is that you can order a prostitute 24-7 anywhere in Thailand. Add to that this strange phoenomona of the transexual and their acceptance in society, a back ward society in many respects, and yet far more liberal and accepting than probably all the first world.

I question just why that is. Crudely put I believe it is a further example of the sexual predilictions of the Thais themselves.

The birth rate in Thailand is most healthy. However, the main reason being that as soon as a girl can ovulate she is to be made pregant. This is not by way of some teenage engagement in a misguided exploraation of sex. It is mainly due to some far older [ 20 years plus] male who may well be a member of her own family taking advantage of her.

Hence girls barely in their teens have babies by males who bare no responsibilty and abandon both children; the mother and the baby.

That is a major societal problem that Thailand refuses to address.

Then we have the tourist paedophiles. Hardly surprising  as the Thai police are a backward institution devoid of modernisation, resources or the desire to improve.

Offenders simply move unknown amongst us and commit their crimes under the radar. Although their first preference will be young children, including babies, should they be committed to Thai prisons they can remain at liberty to offend.

The sexual activity amongst men is disproportionately high due to the bi-sexual tendencies of Thai men, the numbers of homosexuals and the transexuals. Both groups are willing participants with foreign paedophiles.

In contrast, a sentence in a UK based segregation unit is a sobering experience. The tracking of released offenders on the sex offenders register combined with travel restrictions makes for a much reduced personal freedom after release.

Furthermore, there is a high chance of attack from main stream offenders while in prison. It is the norm that all prisoners are compelled by threat of violence to themselves by others, thata should they have contact with any sex offender they must inflict grievous violence upon them.

We do have a problem with paedophilia in society. However, I would argue that we have  a problem with prostitution, the exploitation of women and the attitude of men towards women. This is amplified in countries like Thailand where we see extreme examples enacted in the most graphic, basic and disgusting form.

Thai society has degenerated to a level where sex in your face permeates all stratum of society. If there were state brothels and the recognition of prostitution and regulation in order to ensure the safety of women and women it would not negate the street, back street and home abuse that is rampant across the whole of Thailand.

You have to question your own behaviour, sexual relations and reasons for being in Thailand as a presence there is contributory to the problem in many instances. Supporting prostituion is exploiting women. The paedophile exploited children.

Glass house dwelling and stone throwing was never the wisest of occupations.

Well said !!!

[JSPS]

When speaking of Pedophilia in Thailand it is necessary to differentiate between 10 and 12 year olds and the 16 and 17 year olds with the fake ID working on Walking Street.

Although both are technically illegal there is a huge difference

[Jingthing]

JSPS, on 2012-02-07 13:39:05, said:

When speaking of Pedophilia in Thailand it is necessary to differentiate between 10 and 12 year olds and the 16 and 17 year olds with the fake ID working on Walking Street.

Although both are technically illegal there is a huge difference

That is correct. I recall reading over the years that in Thailand (and obviously some other countries) the severity of the legal charges do vary depending on age group.  That certainly makes logical sense. Also, aside from the legal aspect, 16 or 17 isn't pedophilia by definition.

Edited by Jingthing, 2012-02-07 13:49:18.

[Scott]

Please exercise care in the terms you use to refer to older people.

[cardholder]

softgeorge, on 2012-02-07 12:00:31, said:

cardholder, on 2012-02-07 11:36:47, said:

Rusty2009, on 2012-02-07 05:15:35, said:

i had another post removed, but had 4 people who liked it?? can anybody remeber the film a clock work orange, i suggest the same the cure then send him down soi cowboy with a few thousand baht in his shirt pocket.

Perhaps we need a "don't like" button then you may have a less postive judgement of your posts

You already have 2 options 1. click for like and 2. Do not click for dislike.

George - that is a bit like 'if you do not tick this box we will give you insurance'.

A positive action should be required to express an opinion.

I may well agree with many of your posts but I might not be quite moved enough to click on 'like' - I would hate you to assume that I 'disliked' them just because I did not click on 'like'.

[Considered Opinion]

newermonkey, on 2012-02-06 19:39:58, said:

I feel sorry for him, there are a lot of people who prefer younger partners, I am sure its genetic just as it is for others such as gay, straight or whatever etc... He is being tried for something he has no control over. I would like to know why there is so much hatred in peoples posts, I notice quite a lot of over reactions.

The answer to that is simple. Most hate posters are worried about the devil they have buried in themselves. There have been occasions when the hang em high brigade were led by someone who was known to be a fiddler. Weird deal. I reckon just let them alone and after a day or 2 they get over themselves, go out to a bar and jump a (looks like it could be) 18 yr old kid, and don't see the humour. I just think of it as the TV judge and jury. Mostly alcoholics, mostly lower echelon education, mostly turn up here with a retirement fund to keep them going.

I read the whole thing, and what most of the haters have missed, is that he hasn't been charged with a crime in Thailand. He was wanted by the UK and India. Same old same old as far as I am concerned. As to the issue about being handed over to the poms, makes sense if he hasn't been naughty here.

Edited by Considered Opinion, 2012-02-07 15:00:47.

[Considered Opinion]

JSPS, on 2012-02-07 13:39:05, said:

When speaking of Pedophilia in Thailand it is necessary to differentiate between 10 and 12 year olds and the 16 and 17 year olds with the fake ID working on Walking Street.

Although both are technically illegal there is a huge difference

AFAIK 16 and 17 is over the age of consent for both male and female. And as you rightly put it, a person into 14-18 year olds is by definition not a paedophile. The word is Ephebophile, but that would be hard for hang em high advocates to spell. That is because, as opined in my earlier post, most intellectuals don't comment on these threads. I like to pop in to keep a bit of an eye on the current work of our judges and jurors, which is my only reason for even gracing it with my view.

[cardholder]

Considered Opinion, on 2012-02-07 15:06:12, said:

JSPS, on 2012-02-07 13:39:05, said:

When speaking of Pedophilia in Thailand it is necessary to differentiate between 10 and 12 year olds and the 16 and 17 year olds with the fake ID working on Walking Street.

Although both are technically illegal there is a huge difference

AFAIK 16 and 17 is over the age of consent for both male and female. And as you rightly put it, a person into 14-18 year olds is by definition not a paedophile. The word is Ephebophile, but that would be hard for hang em high advocates to spell. That is because, as opined in my earlier post, most intellectuals don't comment on these threads. I like to pop in to keep a bit of an eye on the current work of our judges and jurors, which is my only reason for even gracing it with my view.

We are indeed honoured

[Considered Opinion]

cardholder, on 2012-02-07 15:07:47, said:

Considered Opinion, on 2012-02-07 15:06:12, said:

JSPS, on 2012-02-07 13:39:05, said:

When speaking of Pedophilia in Thailand it is necessary to differentiate between 10 and 12 year olds and the 16 and 17 year olds with the fake ID working on Walking Street.

Although both are technically illegal there is a huge difference

AFAIK 16 and 17 is over the age of consent for both male and female. And as you rightly put it, a person into 14-18 year olds is by definition not a paedophile. The word is Ephebophile, but that would be hard for hang em high advocates to spell. That is because, as opined in my earlier post, most intellectuals don't comment on these threads. I like to pop in to keep a bit of an eye on the current work of our judges and jurors, which is my only reason for even gracing it with my view.

We are indeed honoured

Yes, you are...
BTW may I use your signature in one of my grammar classes please?

Edited by Considered Opinion, 2012-02-07 15:11:23.

[CqK]

geezer553, on 2012-02-06 19:47:59, said:

i hope this 65 year old nonce gets beaten and raped i have no respect for people who sexually abuse children!!!
-well done to the thai authorities who captured this evil man.....also wanted in the uk and india_why has it taken so long "why has he evaded capture for so long".

More than likely, because he knows if there's any country on earth that will look the other way, it's Thailand. It seems to me that Thailand does nothing with criminals until other countries step in; and that's assuming it was pressure by the UK and or India that finally caught up with him.

[CqK]

samsiam, on 2012-02-06 20:27:49, said:

newermonkey, on 2012-02-06 19:39:58, said:

I notice quite a lot of over reactions.

Ask the kids how they feel.

housepainter, on 2012-02-06 19:53:11, said:

Supporting prostituion is exploiting women.

That is a ridiculous statement....woman can choose what they do themselves and an agreement of mutual benefit between both parties is suitable to both parties for various reasons...

Except when the prostitute was sexually abused as a child . . .