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[HomerWA]

Reading between the lines I'd say they are trying to help you and Australia by not approving the visa application for your girl. That might sound a bit harsh but if I was the person putting the stamp on her application I would do the same considering only 16 days together.

My girl had her 3 month visa app approved last year with no money in the bank / no kids / no property and no job to go back to after leaving oz but I was able to prove that I had spent a lot of time with her.

All I can suggest is spend more time with her in Thailand , do as many trips  oberdere as you can afford and enjoy Thailand for the great place it is. Before you know it you'll have all the evidence needed to help with the visa app i.e. photos together / flight-accom bookings / time together.

I posted all my paper work to my girl and was just over 1kg then she added letters from her sisters and family to try and reinforce that she will return to Thailand.

Hope post helps and don't give up

[Wallaby]

You certainly have more funds available that I did when my girl got 2 visas to visit as a tourist.  I don't even own my own home, just renting. So I cannot understand how they mention that.

I also had only actually been with my girl for 2 weeks face to face.  However, I did wait 6 months and show a hell of a lot of communication between us.

I would wait for a couple of months and ensure you have records of a lot of emails and phone calls.  I would also get a letter from her family explaining how important it is for her to return.  That is the big thing, a reason for her return.

Good luck with it.

[whybother]

As they said. It's all about her.  It doesn't matter that you can support her while she's there.  What matters to the Aus government is that she will come back to Thailand.

And from what I can see, there isn't much reason for her to come back and a lot of reasons for her to stay in Aus.

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[ShanePashen]

The Australian Govt and DIAC in particular, can go and get F***ed as far as I'm concerned at the moment. These useless  c*** pen pushing case managers, have probably never done a hard days work in all their lives. I have no intention on giving up on this, in fact I'm just about to escalate it. I'm going back to stay with her in 3 weeks time, for 16 days, thats as long as i can take off work. I will be building up a a lot of communication in the meantime, skype logs, lots of photos.
if she can get the time off, I hope we can fly up to Udon to meet her folks, lots of photo's etc.
Then i will represent my case, if that is rejected, I will be seeking the best immigration lawyer Ican get, and screaming discrimination.
I feel very violated as a citizen and 5th Gen Aussie, that someone I feel I may have a wonderful future with, can't even get a look at my country.
If it will go the distance, who knows, i certainly don't want to marry her just to get her into the country, and even that's not a given
If after 3 Mths, I feel we would both have a better idea of how we felt about that.

I mean why wouldn't she go back after 3 mths, do they expect her to just vanish, is that what happens?
no ID, no tax file number, no social security, I'm a bit mystified about the whole flight risk issue.

[Will27]

ShanePashen, on 2012-02-09 20:28:09, said:

The Australian Govt and DIAC in particular, can go and get F***ed as far as I'm concerned at the moment. These useless  c*** pen pushing case managers, have probably never done a hard days work in all their lives. I have no intention on giving up on this, in fact I'm just about to escalate it. I'm going back to stay with her in 3 weeks time, for 16 days, thats as long as i can take off work. I will be building up a a lot of communication in the meantime, skype logs, lots of photos.
if she can get the time off, I hope we can fly up to Udon to meet her folks, lots of photo's etc.
Then i will represent my case, if that is rejected, I will be seeking the best immigration lawyer Ican get, and screaming discrimination.
I feel very violated as a citizen and 5th Gen Aussie, that someone I feel I may have a wonderful future with, can't even get a look at my country.
If it will go the distance, who knows, i certainly don't want to marry her just to get her into the country, and even that's not a given
If after 3 Mths, I feel we would both have a better idea of how we felt about that.

I mean why wouldn't she go back after 3 mths, do they expect her to just vanish, is that what happens?
no ID, no tax file number, no social security, I'm a bit mystified about the whole flight risk issue.

You started this topic off well, but now I'm afraid you're starting to sound like an idiot.

On your own admission, you were both green and submitted a rushed application.
You then asked for help and was given quite a lot of good advice by various posters.
You asked about agents and going back to spend more time with her to strengthen
the next application. All was looking good.

Then you come out with a juvenile rant that makes you look rather silly.
Do you think you're the only one whose girlfriend has been refused a visa?

Let's look at the facts:
: you've spent 16 days with her in total.
: she has no solid employment history
: her employment MAY be considered dubious
: you've admiited you didn't include any strong grounds for her to return  home
: you admitted the application was rushed
This would've been a no brainer for DIAC to refuse.

"Screaming discrimination". that's just laughable. On what grounds?
She wasn't refused because she's a Thai. She was refused because
you put in a poor application and had only met her for 16 days.

"violated as a citizen"? Why, because you put in a substandard application
which was refused? Because you're a 5th generation Aussie that entitles your girlfriend
to a visa?

Get a grip. You're 45 years old and you sound like a love struck puppy who wants to
throw your toys out of the cot because you didn't get what you wanted.

Settle down and stop playing the blame game. It sounds to me like you're sitting at home
stewing over this. Is it DIAC's fault? No. Does it suck? Yes. Can you fix it? Hopefully yes.

Go and see her next month as planned and submit another (better) application.
If I were you, I'd use an agent.

Regards

Will

Edited by Will27, 2012-02-09 23:31:41.

[whybother]

What they want is a reason for her to return to Thailand.

It doesn't look like she has one.  You can waste your money on an immigration lawyer if you want, but until she has a reason to return, you're not going to get anywhere.

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[David48]

Dear Shane, I agree 100% with what Will27 wrote above.
After a rant like that most of the posters here won’t bother to reply you.

I’ll chuck my last post in because most people deserve a second chance.
DIAC will also give you and your girl a second shot at the application also but only if you maintain a calm and reasonable tone with them.

But mate (I'm an Aussie, just back after spending 3 months there) … you have issues that go beyond the Visa application.

Understand that there is a gulf between Thai and Western Culture.

• When you marry a Thai girl … you marry her ENTIRE extended family.
  
• Understand the concept of Jai Yen … a ‘cool heart’ when in public and dealing with DIAC!
  
• The concept of Sin Sot (which may or may not be desired)
  
• Learn what ‘mai pen rai’, ‘jai dee’, ‘sanok’ mean … we have none of these in our Culture.
  
• Understand that your girl will wait for you, even if it takes 12 months to obtain the Visa.  If she doesn’t wait she was just looking for a Farang … any Farang.
  
• Understand that Thai’s lie … but many times it’s a ‘social lie' so that people ‘save face’
  
• Reread my earlier post here #16 about ‘lending a Thai money’
  
• ‘I love you’ can sometimes be loosely translated as ‘I need you’
  
• Learn how to earn the respect of her family.  Any requests for money or for the sick buffalo or to pay the bail to get second cousin out of jail have to handled carefully.  Give too much and you lose their respect, same as if you give nothing ‘kee neow’.
  
• Understand the concept of 'take care' (unless she is an orphan with no siblings ... then you only have to 'take care' of her)

If you think for one moment that the Cultural differences are not important then it is time for me to also say good bye and wave you off into the sunset.

My Thai gf is just about to apply for her second tourist visa after successfully getting her first, single entry 3 month Tourist Visa about 12 months ago.
She has almost no material possessions in Thailand, a few thousand baht in the bank … but as almost every other person has mentioned to you (whybother just now) ... the #1 reason that most Visas are declined is no tangible reason for her return … your reasoning of ‘why wouldn’t she return’, just doesn’t cut it.

What every happens … chok dee and bye  

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Edited by David48, 2012-02-10 05:52:07.

[ShanePashen]

To those who have tried to give me good advice, I apologise unreservedly for that petulant rant. That was a juvenile and quite pathetic..
Upon rereading it, I am quite embarrassed I actually wrote that, and posted it in a public forum. It is out of character, and yes Will27,  everything you say is absolutely correct.
I also see you didn't pull any punches in letting me have it. I certainly deserved the home truths you gave me.
Everything you say makes perfect sense.

I will try and conduct myself in more dignified manner in future.
It was quite out of character for me to behave like that.
Believe it or not.
The only thing I will say in my defence, is I was quite emotional when I wrote that.
I am feeling very emotional over this issue, and it certainly is not helping my judgement.
I was very tired when I wrote that crap,  and had just been on the phone to her.
Even that is no excuse.

I hope those experienced souls  who have taken the time to give me their sound advice, don't turn their back on me now.
I have very much appreciated the advice, even though I may have not shown it.

i will now take a backward step and get on with what I must do.

[Will27]

ShanePashen, on 2012-02-10 07:38:31, said:

To those who have tried to give me good advice, I apologise unreservedly for that petulant rant. That was a juvenile and quite pathetic..
Upon rereading it, I am quite embarrassed I actually wrote that, and posted it in a public forum. It is out of character, and yes Will27,  everything you say is absolutely correct.
I also see you didn't pull any punches in letting me have it. I certainly deserved the home truths you gave me.
Everything you say makes perfect sense.

I will try and conduct myself in more dignified manner in future.
It was quite out of character for me to behave like that.
Believe it or not.
The only thing I will say in my defence, is I was quite emotional when I wrote that.
I am feeling very emotional over this issue, and it certainly is not helping my judgement.
I was very tired when I wrote that crap,  and had just been on the phone to her.
Even that is no excuse.

I hope those experienced souls  who have taken the time to give me their sound advice, don't turn their back on me now.
I have very much appreciated the advice, even though I may have not shown it.

i will now take a backward step and get on with what I must do.

Shane
No reason to apologise. You just sound extremely frustrated which is understandable.
In hindsight I was a bit harsh also.

Just focus your energies into making the next application more solid.
You will doubling time spent with her which is a good thing. Submitting a letter from her
employer which gives her a job to return to. This helps with having ties to Thailand.

I also think it will greatly improve your chances if she applies for a 1 month visa
instead of 3. The reason being is that DIAC will think she will have a job to return to.
Generally, employers anywhere, particularly Thailand will not give an employee
3 months off. So they MAY look at the employer as beinga bit dodgy.

Also as I've said, 3 months is a bloody long time for a first visit.
She will more than likely be bored off her tits when you're a work.

All the best

Will

Edited by Will27, 2012-02-10 09:04:13.

[Wallaby]

ShanePashen, on 2012-02-10 07:38:31, said:

To those who have tried to give me good advice, I apologise unreservedly for that petulant rant. That was a juvenile and quite pathetic..
Upon rereading it, I am quite embarrassed I actually wrote that, and posted it in a public forum. It is out of character, and yes Will27,  everything you say is absolutely correct.
I also see you didn't pull any punches in letting me have it. I certainly deserved the home truths you gave me.
Everything you say makes perfect sense.

I will try and conduct myself in more dignified manner in future.
It was quite out of character for me to behave like that.
Believe it or not.
The only thing I will say in my defence, is I was quite emotional when I wrote that.
I am feeling very emotional over this issue, and it certainly is not helping my judgement.
I was very tired when I wrote that crap,  and had just been on the phone to her.
Even that is no excuse.

I hope those experienced souls  who have taken the time to give me their sound advice, don't turn their back on me now.
I have very much appreciated the advice, even though I may have not shown it.

i will now take a backward step and get on with what I must do.

Shane, it is refreshing to see your post, not many people on this forum will apologise.

We all hear your frustration, just do what you have to do, jump through the hoops etc and I hope you get her out to oz soon.

Good luck.

[merlen10002]

When you are in Thailand next go to the Australian visa place at Thai CC House in Bangkok, it is at Surasak BTS Station, very easy to find, they have a service for advice on getting a visa, it is very good they take as much time as you need, go through every thing with you, it would be well worth the time to go and see them, I introduced my mate to a Thai lady and he wanted her to visit him for three months, they applied twice and was refused twice, the first time was after they knew each other for 5 months, the application was not strong not enough information about her or him,  the second time three months later very strong application, she had long work with one company, reasonable money in her bank account, not topped up by him, letter of her job back when she returned to Thailand, he is very strong, a multi, did everything with statutory declaration, still was refused, the third time he came back to Thailand with all his documents again in Stat Dec,s , went to CC House and went through the application with a officer before putting the applaction in, the third applaction was approved within 6 days, the second applation was refused for the length of their relationship, a relationship must be nine months or more with strong proof of the relationship, they are now in the final few weeks of having their fiancee visa approved, this was applied for in November, looks like it will be approved within three months. Really go and talk to the visa office they will help you a lot.

[sparebox2]

Good luck, and you need all of it. That's all i can say.

[Elwood62]

sparebox2, on 2012-02-10 12:12:35, said:

Good luck, and you need all of it. That's all i can say.

thanks for the help im sure its much appreciated lol


well done 5555

[merlen10002]

Everyone has given you very good advice, if you do decide to marry this lady take as much time as you can before doing so, I have been married twice to Thai ladies, the first lady took 18 months after we were married to reveal her true self, she told me she had no children, 18 months after the marriage she went back to Thailand for three weeks to see her family, she came back to OZ with three young men to my suprise, one was introduced as her step son, one as her nephew one as her step sons friend,   I thought they had just come for a visit but no, they had student visa, I found out after some time the step son was her son, she was heavy drinker and a gambler, none of this was evident in the first year of the marriage, I divorced her after 4 years of marriage, she was a teacher at a university before I married her. my current Thai wife is very different, I took almost two years before I decided to marry her, we are very happy, she is the best Thai person I know with money, it is almost embarrassing the way she will not spend or take money from me, all this is to tell you to take a as much time as you can before getting married.