326 replies to this topic
Posted 2012-02-07 10:52:34
 CalgaryII, on 2012-02-07 10:35:53, said:
whybother, on 2012-02-07 10:07:48, said:
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-07 10:00:01, said:
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Most people regard the feeble efforts of "fightback" by the demonstrators against the coup perps as fully justified - not anti-social, not anarchic - but fully justified when confronting the force assertions from the coup perps. trying to enforce their undemocratic power grab.
The 2010 protests were not against the coup. They were against the court's decision to seize Thaksin's assets.
Nope.
A delayed reaction to the coup!
you have not got a clue,all your posts factless dribble
Posted 2012-02-07 10:53:19
SomTumTiger, on 2012-02-07 10:39:33, said:
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-07 10:00:01, said:
Amsterdam is funded by Yingluck's elder brother, convicted and fugitive former premier Thaksin Shinawatra".
How's it smell in sphinkterville, Robbie? Sell your soul lately?
Perhaps it would be more fruitful to focus on the message instead of the messenger, esp[ecially when in this case Judiciaql actions following the coup are subject to serious scrutiny regarding validity.
When the Army was defending itself against people who threatened the security of the country by threatening to burn down the capital and lob grenades, it is their duty to protect!
Political negotiation would have solved everything. Even after the protesters were trying to be ignored out of existence
Most people regard the feeble efforts of "fightback" by the demonstrators against the coup perps as fully justified - not anti-social, not anarchic - but fully justified when confronting the force assertions from the coup perps. trying to enforce their undemocratic power grab.
Stop trying to rewrite history - they conducted negotiations on NATIONAL TV - and the Reds got everything they asked for, including an early election - but the Reds rejected it.
Spin that...
The Reds accepted Aphisit's offer of early elections - Thaksin overrode it.
The Reds accepted Aphisit's terms for the reconciliation process - Thaksin overrode it.
What does that tell you?
Posted 2012-02-07 10:53:31
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-07 10:24:23, said:
longway, on 2012-02-07 09:46:45, said:
If the PT were not so corrupt and inept, and did not achieve their mandate based on deceptions, they would have all the authority they need to reform the army and the LM laws,
The majority of voters who elected this Government are as solidly behind it now, as the day they were elected.
If another election was called tomorrow, their majority would most likely increase.
Those facts seriously bring into question your assertions of ineptitudes, deceptiveness, etc.
These voters are not dumb, and I respected them for the last election..
A majority of voters did not vote for PT and asserting that the numbers voting for them would increase if an election was called tomorrow or that the voters are even more solidly behind the governement is just speculation on your part.
The sad fact is that if the reds were actually a democracy movement, rather than just another power bloc in the mob rule kleptocracy that is the essence of the Thai political system, it would have vast support in this country and could achieve wonders. At the moment you are confined to 20% of the population along with as many people as possible that can be bribed with fake promises during general elections.
Was the country more democratic in 2001 or in 2005? If the military and especially 'etc' were so anti democratic as claimed, can you name another country in SE asia that had a more free press or was more democratic in 2001? Why were there no coups between 1992 and 2006? The reds have a one eyed look at everything in thai society, its about time they opened their other eye. 
Edited by longway, 2012-02-07 10:57:32.
Posted 2012-02-07 10:55:34
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-07 10:35:53, said:
whybother, on 2012-02-07 10:07:48, said:
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-07 10:00:01, said:
<snip>
Most people regard the feeble efforts of "fightback" by the demonstrators against the coup perps as fully justified - not anti-social, not anarchic - but fully justified when confronting the force assertions from the coup perps. trying to enforce their undemocratic power grab.
The 2010 protests were not against the coup. They were against the court's decision to seize Thaksin's assets.
Nope.
A delayed reaction to the coup!
Merely a coincide that protest began the day after the courts seized 46 billion Baht ($1.5 billion US) from Thaksin! Nothing to see here folks! Ignore the threats made against the judiciary that were made the week before the verdict when Thaksin propaganda rags printed the names, adresses, and home phone numbers of every judge ruling on the case immediately after an article about assassinations. The threats of violence, the seizure of the $1.5 billion dollars, and the violent riots that resulted are not connected at all. None of this is related!
I'm sure all the BS you're peddling with this sockpuppet works very well on people who weren't actually here when all of this happened though.
#55
CalgaryII
Posted 2012-02-07 10:57:28
samran, on 2012-02-07 10:29:34, said:
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-07 10:24:23, said:
longway, on 2012-02-07 09:46:45, said:
If the PT were not so corrupt and inept, and did not achieve their mandate based on deceptions, they would have all the authority they need to reform the army and the LM laws,
The majority of voters who elected this Government are as solidly behind it now, as the day they were elected.
If another election was called tomorrow, their majority would most likely increase.
Those facts seriously bring into question your assertions of ineptitudes, deceptiveness, etc.
These voters are not dumb, and I respected them for the last election..
Unfortunately, your guy has form, He ain't no democrat.
So when your guy is driving the country towards the edge of a cliff, which over the edge lies a sham democracy a la Singapore run by Sinawatrasek and backed by liberally used defamation laws, you can't expect people to place total faith in the ballot box. Sad as that is.
I guess that is where you and I differ.
I respect the electorate and the choices they made after a vigorous election campaign by all sides.
Thai Democracy deficiencies aside (think vote buying by all sides), this is still better than anything else.
Posted 2012-02-07 10:58:46
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-07 10:35:53, said:
whybother, on 2012-02-07 10:07:48, said:
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-07 10:00:01, said:
<snip>
Most people regard the feeble efforts of "fightback" by the demonstrators against the coup perps as fully justified - not anti-social, not anarchic - but fully justified when confronting the force assertions from the coup perps. trying to enforce their undemocratic power grab.
The 2010 protests were not against the coup. They were against the court's decision to seize Thaksin's assets.
Nope.
A delayed reaction to the coup!
A delayed reaction. 
4 years after the coup. 3 years after an election. 18 months after PPP were banned. 12 months after their previous riots. And, coincidentally, 1 week after the assets seizure.
#57
CalgaryII
Posted 2012-02-07 10:59:29
myfriendu, on 2012-02-07 10:52:34, said:
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-07 10:35:53, said:
whybother, on 2012-02-07 10:07:48, said:
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-07 10:00:01, said:
<snip>
Most people regard the feeble efforts of "fightback" by the demonstrators against the coup perps as fully justified - not anti-social, not anarchic - but fully justified when confronting the force assertions from the coup perps. trying to enforce their undemocratic power grab.
The 2010 protests were not against the coup. They were against the court's decision to seize Thaksin's assets.
Nope.
A delayed reaction to the coup!
you have not got a clue,all your posts factless dribble
I will let the readers decide.
Posted 2012-02-07 11:02:00
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-07 10:51:45, said:
He also has no clue about Thailand, which he clearly proved in all his previous statements as a paid Thaksin lobbyist
A huge swath of the Thai electorate, in fact the majority, would beg to differ with that.
This article demonstrates that he knows very well what is going on behind the scenes.
Now it's clear you talk BS.
Posted 2012-02-07 11:04:35
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-07 10:57:28, said:
samran, on 2012-02-07 10:29:34, said:
Unfortunately, your guy has form, He ain't no democrat.
So when your guy is driving the country towards the edge of a cliff, which over the edge lies a sham democracy a la Singapore run by Sinawatrasek and backed by liberally used defamation laws, you can't expect people to place total faith in the ballot box. Sad as that is.
I guess that is where you and I differ.
I respect the electorate and the choices they made after a vigorous election campaign by all sides.
Thai Democracy deficiencies aside (think vote buying by all sides), this is still better than anything else.
"Democracy is not my goal" T.Shinawatra 11/12/03.
Sorry fanboy, but you don't even see eye to eye with your boss on this one.
#60
CalgaryII
Posted 2012-02-07 11:11:13
The Reds accepted Aphisit's offer of early elections - Thaksin overrode it.
The Reds accepted Aphisit's terms for the reconciliation process - Thaksin overrode it.
What does that tell you? - An offer is not an agreement. In negotiations, an offer is subject to:
#1 - Acceptance
#2 - rejection
#3 - counter offer
#4 - Acceptance with modification - The UDD/Red Shirts responded to Abhi's with #4
- In hindsight, the offer was a "mafia' offer, to which only #1 was acceptable to those making the offer.
- The internal dynamics of any negotiation team are not the business of the opposite. Their only responsibility is to respond to the reaction to their offer........#4 in this case.
- Abhi chose not to do so in true 'mafia' offer style, with identical results.
- With respect to the reconciliation process, again internal dynamics of one side are not important. Only the positions of negotiating entities.
- Message - not messenger, is the crux of negotiations.
Edited by CalgaryII, 2012-02-07 11:13:38.
Posted 2012-02-07 11:11:35
What about what he said, he said exactly what he was told to say by Big T. If anyone thinks these were Amsterdams
opinions then I have some swamp land in Issaan I will sale with full canote
Posted 2012-02-07 11:11:59
Maybe I just don't get it.
3 pages and endless to and fro about Thaksin and barely a word about the original statement that implied that Thailand is in effect a military run country, thus little different politically to Myanmar.
Isn't that what should be discussed or is it all too tricky?
Edited by folium, 2012-02-07 11:12:48.
Posted 2012-02-07 11:16:16
I will let the readers decide.
well it looks like the score is 20-0 so far and you seem to pick which posts you read and put your head in the sand.
#64
CalgaryII
Posted 2012-02-07 11:16:58
"..........asserting that the numbers voting for them (PTP) would increase if an election was called tomorrow or that the voters are even more solidly behind the governement is just speculation on your part.
But I stand firmly behind this speculation.
Let's save this message and talk again after the next election.
Posted 2012-02-07 11:20:07
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-07 11:16:58, said:
"..........asserting that the numbers voting for them (PTP) would increase if an election was called tomorrow or that the voters are even more solidly behind the governement is just speculation on your part.
But I stand firmly behind this speculation.
Let's save this message and talk again after the next election.
I thought is was 'fact'.
Sorry, your Jedi mind tricks need a bit of polish.
Posted 2012-02-07 11:25:17
folium, on 2012-02-07 11:11:59, said:
Maybe I just don't get it.
3 pages and endless to and fro about Thaksin and barely a word about the original statement that implied that Thailand is in effect a military run country, thus little different politically to Myanmar.
Isn't that what should be discussed or is it all too tricky?
The OP was one of Big Ts proxies saying what he has been paid to regurgatate. Yes the army has a certain amout of influence but a good counter weight aganist a fully in charge PTP with Big T actually running the government thru his sister.Give them everything they want and we have Marcos 2.
Posted 2012-02-07 11:28:07
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-07 10:59:29, said:
I will let the readers decide.
We are now the electorate? Things are looking up for Thailand.
Posted 2012-02-07 11:30:06
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-07 11:11:13, said:
The Reds accepted Aphisit's offer of early elections - Thaksin overrode it.
The Reds accepted Aphisit's terms for the reconciliation process - Thaksin overrode it.
What does that tell you? - An offer is not an agreement. In negotiations, an offer is subject to:
#1 - Acceptance
#2 - rejection
#3 - counter offer
#4 - Acceptance with modification - The UDD/Red Shirts responded to Abhi's with #4
- In hindsight, the offer was a "mafia' offer, to which only #1 was acceptable to those making the offer.
- The internal dynamics of any negotiation team are not the business of the opposite. Their only responsibility is to respond to the reaction to their offer........#4 in this case.
- Abhi chose not to do so in true 'mafia' offer style, with identical results.
- With respect to the reconciliation process, again internal dynamics of one side are not important. Only the positions of negotiating entities.
- Message - not messenger, is the crux of negotiations.
Utter nonsense. Zero credilbility mate.
#69
CalgaryII
Posted 2012-02-07 11:30:58
Now after the floods all has changed and the Army was always there to help
Thaskin was no where to be seen
Nothing has changed
The army was there to help, and they had better have been.
To try and equate a salaried state entity, conducting state assigned duties, while accumulating pensionable service,.......... with volunteerism is incorrect.
The UDD/Red Shirts singlehandedly did more than any other organized force in the country, to provide flood assistance to BKK.
I was personally wittness to seven (7) trips to Bangkok, involving sixteen (16) truckloads of stuff. Not pick-ups, but dumptruck equivelants.
The operation at Don Muang was excellent, in spite of the Opposition trying to use it to denigrate the Govt, with their incessant FROC-flogging.
To say that a non-volunteer force did everything and volunteerism did nothing, is a gross indecency.
Edited by CalgaryII, 2012-02-07 11:34:11.
Posted 2012-02-07 11:37:25
CalgaryII, on 12 minutes ago, said:
"..........asserting that the numbers voting for them (PTP) would increase if an election was called tomorrow or that the voters are even more solidly behind the governement is just speculation on your part.
But I stand firmly behind this speculation.
Let us speculate that the moon is made of blue/green cheese, and let us speculate that what you speculate is a fantasy of wishful speculation coupled with historical revisionism. Just speculating, however with great conviction, oh and my conviction is bigger and firmer than yours.
Edited by Reasonableman, 2012-02-07 11:39:03.
#71
CalgaryII
Posted 2012-02-07 11:38:11
Do you really believe that if you removed the army from the equation that the current administration would become less corrupt ?
I beg to differ sir, I think it would be open season on the nations assets.
That was proven to be the actual case in 2006.............I will leave you to make the connection.
Posted 2012-02-07 11:39:20
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-07 11:30:58, said:
The UDD/Red Shirts singlehandedly did more than any other organized force in the country, to provide flood assistance to BKK.
Presumably the army are an organised force. Are you saying the UDD/Red Shirts did more?
Posted 2012-02-07 11:41:39
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-07 11:30:58, said:
Now after the floods all has changed and the Army was always there to help
Thaskin was no where to be seen
Nothing has changed
The army was there to help, and they had better have been.
To try and equate a salaried state entity, conducting state assigned duties, while accumulating pensionable service,.......... with volunteerism is incorrect.
The UDD/Red Shirts singlehandedly did more than any other organized force in the country, to provide flood assistance to BKK.
I was personally wittness to seven (7) trips to Bangkok, involving sixteen (16) truckloads of stuff. Not pick-ups, but dumptruck equivelants.
The operation at Don Muang was excellent, in spite of the Opposition trying to use it to denigrate the Govt, with their incessant FROC-flogging.
To say that a non-volunteer force did everything and volunteerism did nothing, is a gross indecency.
I'm afraid that all I saw of them was red-clad guys cruising ostentatiously around Ratchaprasong on their motorcycles trying to cadge "donations" from the same people they tried to incinerate. Good luck with that! Otherwise, they were notable by their absence.
Posted 2012-02-07 11:49:51
Reasonableman, on 2012-02-07 11:41:39, said:
I'm afraid that all I saw of them was red-clad guys cruising ostentatiously around Ratchaprasong on their motorcycles trying to cadge "donations" from the same people they tried to incinerate. Good luck with that! Otherwise, they were notable by their absence.
They did have their boats "for red shirts only". And they did load their trucks with publicly donated goods "with Love from Thaksin".
#75
CalgaryII
Posted 2012-02-07 11:51:45
- Are you saying that the electorate voted for Thaksin or Yingluck?
Both. And they did it knowingly.
- Do you think they voted for the person or the handouts?
Well, they didn't vote for Abhi and friends, who desparately tried to emulate the PTP when they realized they were going down the electoral tubes.
- Cronies are friends and relatives appointed to senior positions based on who they are not on their capabilities. See the Marcos and Castro families for example.
Political appointees after an electoral victory are not cronies. They are like-minded people. This goes as much for Abhi. with his Kasit (as an example) as for Ms. Y. and Red Shirts. The spoils of electoral victories if you will.
- Your knowledge of English precludes you from understanding the finer points of some of my comments I'm afraid.
Hopefully my answers rectify that for you. - If you think the handling of the floods was "exemplary" then that tells me something......
Good.
I have had two people provide examples of international locxations whose disaster relief efforts matched what Ms. Y and Thailand did. Thanks to those who came up with them.
Judging Ms. Y and Thailand's performance can only be measured against other national entities faced with similar disasters. Just to say it was bad, without applying a standard to measure it against, is just so much Opposition folderol.
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