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[Soutpeel]

sparebox2, on 2012-02-09 12:48:43, said:

Next they will arrest Coca-colar for using re-cycle bottles.

I am sure this would occur to them if it was a Taiwanese guy was running the factory in competion with the local producers

[HerbalEd]

This is the worst kind of greed and evil ... with no concern for the death and destruction that a collapsed building, bridge, etc. can cause. Often, when they find such as this in China the culprits get the death sentence. A few years back the head of China's FDA was caught in corruption and he got a bullet to the head as punishment. Now that's a great deterrent.

[wxyz]

Looks like somebody didn't pay the increased BIB tea money.

Edited by wxyz, 2012-02-09 16:06:20.

[Payboy]

Time to limit foreign investment in the steel industry.

[xthAi76s]

HerbalEd, on 2012-02-09 15:36:38, said:

This is the worst kind of greed and evil ... with no concern for the death and destruction that a collapsed building, bridge, etc. can cause. Often, when they find such as this in China the culprits get the death sentence. A few years back the head of China's FDA was caught in corruption and he got a bullet to the head as punishment. Now that's a great deterrent.

And, here, if anyone is ever found guilty, they just pay a bribe (sorry, I mean fine) and continue business (perhaps under a different business name).  I can't think of another "recently industrialized" country where there is really no punishment for such egregious actions.  'mai pen rai'

[z12]

ThailandMan, on 2012-02-09 18:42:00, said:

HerbalEd, on 2012-02-09 15:36:38, said:

This is the worst kind of greed and evil ... with no concern for the death and destruction that a collapsed building, bridge, etc. can cause. Often, when they find such as this in China the culprits get the death sentence. A few years back the head of China's FDA was caught in corruption and he got a bullet to the head as punishment. Now that's a great deterrent.

And, here, if anyone is ever found guilty, they just pay a bribe (sorry, I mean fine) and continue business (perhaps under a different business name).  I can't think of another "recently industrialized" country where there is really no punishment for such egregious actions.  'mai pen rai'

Keep smiling LOS

Edited by z12, 2012-02-11 15:56:41.

[osiboy]

witsawakorn, on 2012-02-08 15:26:17, said:

cloudhopper, on 2012-02-08 13:12:36, said:

ding, on 2012-02-08 12:58:53, said:

People complain about building inspectors... until the smelly stuff hits the fan.

The rebar I've seen going into foundations has been a joke. I can't keep from commenting everytime I see bundles of the scrawny stuff.

They have building inspectors here? None ever dropped by to inspect any of my projects. I can't comment on the quality of the steel but I've sure seen lots of smooth rebar going where it should be ribbed.

Really? You have stood by and watched the wrong steel going in the hole in your own projects. I hope you didn't kill anyone. Good projects in Thailand have quality ensured by the Owner's Engineers or Contractor's staff. Why do people from the West expect some government employee to come along and take care of everything for them. Most of the projects that I have worked on here have been built in Industrial Estates and every one has been inspected during construction by IEAT Engineers but quality and safety are always ensured by the Owner's Engineers and Contractors

really ??,.......so all the labourers were wearing helmets and steel toe cap boots with high vis jackets  too i suppose ? ..........and all the electric earthed and the vehicles were all roadworthy / safe ???...........sorry, dont believe a word of it !

[witsawakorn]

osiboy, on 2012-02-14 03:31:46, said:

witsawakorn, on 2012-02-08 15:26:17, said:

cloudhopper, on 2012-02-08 13:12:36, said:

ding, on 2012-02-08 12:58:53, said:

People complain about building inspectors... until the smelly stuff hits the fan.

The rebar I've seen going into foundations has been a joke. I can't keep from commenting everytime I see bundles of the scrawny stuff.

They have building inspectors here? None ever dropped by to inspect any of my projects. I can't comment on the quality of the steel but I've sure seen lots of smooth rebar going where it should be ribbed.

Really? You have stood by and watched the wrong steel going in the hole in your own projects. I hope you didn't kill anyone. Good projects in Thailand have quality ensured by the Owner's Engineers or Contractor's staff. Why do people from the West expect some government employee to come along and take care of everything for them. Most of the projects that I have worked on here have been built in Industrial Estates and every one has been inspected during construction by IEAT Engineers but quality and safety are always ensured by the Owner's Engineers and Contractors

really ??,.......so all the labourers were wearing helmets and steel toe cap boots with high vis jackets  too i suppose ? ..........and all the electric earthed and the vehicles were all roadworthy / safe ???...........sorry, dont believe a word of it !

Why don't you believe it? Presumably because you have no relevant experience. I have worked on Projects in Thailand where all workers wear PPE on the construction site.and one recent project had no LTIs over a 30 month construction period. I can prove it  Anyone can walk past a 2 bit building site in Thailand and see safety violations but projects run by multinational companies tend to require higher standards. Good safety standards are difficult to achieve on all construction projects worldwide but it can be achieved even in Thailand believe it or not.

[Soutpeel]

witsawakorn, on 2012-02-14 21:01:35, said:

Why don't you believe it? Presumably because you have no relevant experience. I have worked on Projects in Thailand where all workers wear PPE on the construction site.and one recent project had no LTIs over a 30 month construction period. I can prove it  Anyone can walk past a 2 bit building site in Thailand and see safety violations but projects run by multinational companies tend to require higher standards. Good safety standards are difficult to achieve on all construction projects worldwide but it can be achieved even in Thailand believe it or not.

Agreed.....I have worked sites here were the safety standards in place were higher than some of the western countries I have worked in

[astral]

I thought recycling was an essential part of the Steel industry

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Every tonne of new steel made from scrap steel saves:

• 1,115 kg of iron ore
  
• 625kg of coal
  
• 53kg of limestone

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrap

[welbymd]

I would think the diameter and number of the steel bars or rebar would be more of a concern that the actual composition. I mean, the steal used isn't pure to begin with. Steal can be recyled and the lighter metal will burn off during the smelting process. I know that all of the foundations I have seen poured here, not a lot, have very small diameter rebar. I would call it more closer to wire gauge than rebar. So the next time you see a cracked building and roadway does that mean it has substandard material? Probably cutting corners would be a bigger danger along with not using enough concrete. I try very hard to stay out of tall buildings anyway.

[Tonawatchee]

Isn't there a standard building and inspection code for new structures in Thailand? Are they enforced? Is there any documentation for traceability of materials used on these projects? Seeing welders fabricating structural steel in shorts and sandals and using sunglasses as an eyeshield makes me think not.

[Soutpeel]

welbymd, on 2012-02-19 15:49:27, said:

I would think the diameter and number of the steel bars or rebar would be more of a concern that the actual composition. I mean, the steal used isn't pure to begin with. Steal can be recyled and the lighter metal will burn off during the smelting process. I know that all of the foundations I have seen poured here, not a lot, have very small diameter rebar. I would call it more closer to wire gauge than rebar. So the next time you see a cracked building and roadway does that mean it has substandard material? Probably cutting corners would be a bigger danger along with not using enough concrete. I try very hard to stay out of tall buildings anyway.

Really ? so what your saying the tensile strength of the steel (which in part is to due in part to the composition) has nothing to do with it ?...
Using higher strength steel would result in rebar being of a smaller diameter and could mean less of them, dependent on the application

You do actually know why they put rebar in concrete dont you ?....I will give you a hint all to do with tension and compression of structual members

[Soutpeel]

Tonawatchee, on 2012-02-19 16:23:12, said:

Seeing welders fabricating structural steel in shorts and sandals and using sunglasses as an eyeshield makes me think not.

These are not real welders, these are what we call rod burners

I work with real Thai welders and I can assure you they dont fabricate in shorts & sandles and wear sunglasses instead of the faceshield and in fact real Thai welders are some of the most skilled welders anywhere in the world and typically can weld rings around most US/UK & Aussie welders