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[transam]

Just been reading about the A380 super jumbo. Seems the wings are cracking after dealing with turbulence.

All of them are being checked regularly.

Think l will stick to a 747.

[stoneyboy]

No the wings aren't cracking,it's a small L bracket that has developed small cracks,this bracket  holds the wings aluminium skin to the fuselage.




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[transam]

stoneyboy, on 2012-02-09 11:29:45, said:

No the wings aren't cracking,it's a small L bracket that has developed small cracks,this bracket  holds the wings aluminium skin to the fuselage.




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If the brackets are part of the wing structure/assembly the the wings are cracking, as written in the news reports.

[Jangot]

Think you will find that the cracking is caused by a manufacturing problem, not fatigue/turbulence related.
The Aviation Authority (EASA) has issued mandatory inspections on all A380s.
The cracks are in "secondary" support brackets, not critical structure.
I think this demonstrates that the airworthiness system is working, the problem detected early and correction being applied.

[stoneyboy]

transam, on 2012-02-09 11:32:11, said:

stoneyboy, on 2012-02-09 11:29:45, said:

No the wings aren't cracking,it's a small L bracket that has developed small cracks,this bracket  holds the wings aluminium skin to the fuselage.




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If the brackets are part of the wing structure/assembly the the wings are cracking, as written in the news reports.

I believe there is a difference between a wing being cracked and a wing component being cracked.

Hence the planes are still in service.


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[transam]

stoneyboy, on 2012-02-09 11:39:13, said:

transam, on 2012-02-09 11:32:11, said:

stoneyboy, on 2012-02-09 11:29:45, said:

No the wings aren't cracking,it's a small L bracket that has developed small cracks,this bracket  holds the wings aluminium skin to the fuselage.




Sent from stoney's iPad using ThaiVisa app

If the brackets are part of the wing structure/assembly the the wings are cracking, as written in the news reports.

I believe there is a difference between a wing being cracked and a wing component being cracked.

Hence the planes are still in service.


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My understanding is that a wing is made up of many components, the final constructed item is a wing, a component of the wing is failing. The item in question is part of the construction and to crack means it is under stress and failing. Serious enough for Quantas to ground and check all their A380's.

[theblether]

We could go round on  circles on this one, so your right Transam, a wing component has been found to crack, it has been replaced in several aircraft, and now it looks like it will replaced in all aircraft.

The Emirates A380 is far superior to any other aircraft I have ever flown in, and by miles. I was in Business Class recently, we had taken off and I hadn't even realized it, in fact I argued with my travelling companion that they were talking crap about us having taken off till he said "Just look out of the window".

I flew from Sydney to Dubai on Sunday, a 15 hour A380 flight in economy that I had been dreading, and it was a breeze. The seat width is better than the Boeings, and the seat pitch is better too. I found that out as I then travelled from Dubai to Glasgow, an 8 hour flight in a Boeing 777, and that was no comparison to the A380.

On a side note, the A380 has a stand up bar in Business Class, it was some experience to be standing at a bar for 5 hours drinking and having a good blether rather than being trapped in a seat......I highly recommend it

[necronx99]

transam, on 2012-02-09 11:46:44, said:

stoneyboy, on 2012-02-09 11:39:13, said:

transam, on 2012-02-09 11:32:11, said:

stoneyboy, on 2012-02-09 11:29:45, said:

No the wings aren't cracking,it's a small L bracket that has developed small cracks,this bracket  holds the wings aluminium skin to the fuselage.




Sent from stoney's iPad using ThaiVisa app

If the brackets are part of the wing structure/assembly the the wings are cracking, as written in the news reports.

I believe there is a difference between a wing being cracked and a wing component being cracked.

Hence the planes are still in service.


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My understanding is that a wing is made up of many components, the final constructed item is a wing, a component of the wing is failing. The item in question is part of the construction and to crack means it is under stress and failing. Serious enough for Quantas to ground and check all their A380's.

I think the term that's important here is "cascading component failure"

[tutsiwarrior]

transam...fergit about air travel, just fire up your big V8, polish the chrome on yer vehicle and move on down the road...(John Hammond blasting on the CD player...)

but the aircraft problem sounds like a material selection issue; fatigue and too many 'cycles of concentration'...just hope that when they replace all the faulty brackets on the entire fleet that they re-assemble properly...just think of all the resulting QC documentation that would be required...whew...

meanwhile, when passengers and crew spiral comfortably down to oblivion after losing a wing assembly and standing at the bar in business class: 'I say, do we have a problem here?...'

I hate traveling and just want to stay on the ground in my little town in Suphanburi...

Edited by tutsiwarrior, 2012-02-09 18:09:09.

[transam]

tutsiwarrior, on 2012-02-09 17:58:54, said:

transam...fergit about air travel, just fire up your big V8, polish the chrome on yer vehicle and move on down the road...(John Hammond blasting on the CD player...)

but the aircraft problem sounds like a material selection issue; fatigue and too many 'cycles of concentration'...just hope that when they replace all the faulty brackets on the entire fleet that they re-assemble properly...just think of all the resulting QC documentation that would be required...whew...

meanwhile, when passengers and crew spiral comfortably down to oblivion after losing a wing assembly and standing at the bar in business class: 'I say, do we have a problem here?...'

I hate traveling and just want to stay on the ground in my little town in Suphanburi...

Dee ma.

[cdnvic]

If you choose aircraft based on airworthiness directives you'd never get off the ground.

http://ad.easa.europa.eu/

http://rgl.faa.gov/R...ameset?OpenPage

[trainman34014]

I presume the OP means those 25 year old Thai Airways 747's !   No thanks; I'll take my chances with the A380, cracks and all.

[cdnvic]

It always amazes me how people will worry so much about the infinitesimal chance that their airliner may crash, yet get in a Bangkok taxi to get to the airport without a second thought.

[transam]

trainman34014, on 2012-02-09 19:14:05, said:

I presume the OP means those 25 year old Thai Airways 747's !   No thanks; I'll take my chances with the A380, cracks and all.

747 are bullet proof since they found the wiring prob, BUT never a prob that keeps the thing in the air eh. 747 is 50 year old technology and is still here eh.

[Thongkorn]

I have flown on most  Civil Aircraft, the A380 rates one of the best, It is still a prototype so some things will eventually service, it is one of the most economic planes if not they best in the Air today.


PS, Don't forget the Brits gave America the Jet Engine, also The Brits broke the Sound barrier before Chuck Yeager, they where doing in in 1945 in Spitfires, Boeing was the best Plane maker But The European plane makers are up to date and the same as Boeing if not better for fuel economy and comfort.

Edited by Thongkorn, 2012-02-09 19:28:37.

[tutsiwarrior]

sorry...'cycles of concentration' has to do with boiler chemical dosing and blowdown rates...but I remember fatigue stress being measured in terms of cycles from school...

transam; 'dee ma?' I just wanna be yer fren'...

[transam]

cdnvic, on 2012-02-09 19:22:11, said:

It always amazes me how people will worry so much about the infinitesimal chance that their airliner may crash, yet get in a Bangkok taxi to get to the airport without a second thought.

Well, everything is a gamble, a Thai shower is a 2 minute gamble but a 13 hour worry is a gamble worry.

[exeter]

trainman34014, on 2012-02-09 19:14:05, said:

I presume the OP means those 25 year old Thai Airways 747's !   No thanks; I'll take my chances with the A380, cracks and all.

Yes the A380 is very good and that a small issue has been found early and is being corrected I find reassuring that systems for safety are working before there are any fatalities.

[nocturn]

transam, on 2012-02-09 18:49:39, said:

tutsiwarrior, on 2012-02-09 17:58:54, said:

transam...fergit about air travel, just fire up your big V8, polish the chrome on yer vehicle and move on down the road...(John Hammond blasting on the CD player...)

but the aircraft problem sounds like a material selection issue; fatigue and too many 'cycles of concentration'...just hope that when they replace all the faulty brackets on the entire fleet that they re-assemble properly...just think of all the resulting QC documentation that would be required...whew...

meanwhile, when passengers and crew spiral comfortably down to oblivion after losing a wing assembly and standing at the bar in business class: 'I say, do we have a problem here?...'

I hate traveling and just want to stay on the ground in my little town in Suphanburi...

Dee ma.

good dog?

i recommend you stick to english before you get hurt

[transam]

nocturn, on 2012-02-10 15:36:15, said:

transam, on 2012-02-09 18:49:39, said:

tutsiwarrior, on 2012-02-09 17:58:54, said:

transam...fergit about air travel, just fire up your big V8, polish the chrome on yer vehicle and move on down the road...(John Hammond blasting on the CD player...)

but the aircraft problem sounds like a material selection issue; fatigue and too many 'cycles of concentration'...just hope that when they replace all the faulty brackets on the entire fleet that they re-assemble properly...just think of all the resulting QC documentation that would be required...whew...

meanwhile, when passengers and crew spiral comfortably down to oblivion after losing a wing assembly and standing at the bar in business class: 'I say, do we have a problem here?...'

I hate traveling and just want to stay on the ground in my little town in Suphanburi...

Dee ma.

good dog?

i recommend you stick to english before you get hurt

By whom.

[Ricardo]

transam, on 2012-02-10 18:42:29, said:

nocturn, on 2012-02-10 15:36:15, said:

Good dog?

i recommend you stick to english before you get hurt

By whom.

The dog  ...  it may be a Rotweiler !

[cheshiremusicman]

theblether, on 2012-02-09 12:18:17, said:

We could go round on  circles on this one, so your right Transam, a wing component has been found to crack, it has been replaced in several aircraft, and now it looks like it will replaced in all aircraft.

The Emirates A380 is far superior to any other aircraft I have ever flown in, and by miles. I was in Business Class recently, we had taken off and I hadn't even realized it, in fact I argued with my travelling companion that they were talking crap about us having taken off till he said "Just look out of the window".

I flew from Sydney to Dubai on Sunday, a 15 hour A380 flight in economy that I had been dreading, and it was a breeze. The seat width is better than the Boeings, and the seat pitch is better too. I found that out as I then travelled from Dubai to Glasgow, an 8 hour flight in a Boeing 777, and that was no comparison to the A380.

On a side note, the A380 has a stand up bar in Business Class, it was some experience to be standing at a bar for 5 hours drinking and having a good blether rather than being trapped in a seat......I highly recommend it

Had exactly the same experience's with the A380, great seating even in economy and as for the business class; well can't wait to travel this way again back to the UK or other places around the globe- saving up my pennies for this. As to the integrity of the air worthiness of the 380's, do you honestly think that a pilot is going to fly any aircraft that he thinks is unfit for service - I do not think so.

[Litlos]

For an interesting read on cracks in aircraft google "Comet Airliner Cracks", that may serve to highlight why cracks and airlines do not mix well.  It is also my understanding that as the cracks were in a "secondary" component they were discovered by accident as this item was not yet due for inspection, this being the case sometimes you get lucky, rather than the inspection system is working.

As an aside the seating configuration of aircraft is generally specified by the airline placing the order.  As such with the same aircraft there will be differences in relative comfort of the seating depending on how miserable the airline is.  Based on my previous involuntary experiences with Qantas I would not be surprised if they have the cattle class seats stacked one on top of another if possible.

Cheers