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[Buchholz]

^ perhaps best addressed by reopening one of the other previous 829 threads on the specifics of Thaksin's conviction.

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[airconsult]

Buchholz, on 2012-02-23 13:31:46, said:

^ perhaps best addressed by reopening one of the other previous 829 threads on the specifics of Thaksin's conviction.

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You're right, I apologise - I guess I have read and seen many worse things than that done by elected officials (including the subject person) in many countries, so sometimes I get a bit sick of people hammering that particular conviction so much.

Cheers

[Buchholz]

airconsult, on 2012-02-23 13:43:36, said:

Buchholz, on 2012-02-23 13:31:46, said:

^ perhaps best addressed by reopening one of the other previous 829 threads on the specifics of Thaksin's conviction.

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You're right, I apologise - I guess I have read and seen many worse things than that done by elected officials (including the subject person) in many countries, so sometimes I get a bit sick of people hammering that particular conviction so much.

Cheers

No worries.
The "worse things" cases are on standby for his return.
If he had not fled and was not a fugitive, there would likely have been more than this particular conviction for people to hammer away on.

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[animatic]

airconsult, on 2012-02-23 13:03:54, said:

animatic, on 2012-02-23 11:16:36, said:

He broke the law,
he was convicted,
he absconded while on bail,
he didn't appeal the conviction.

But the real threat to him is the other charges he has stalled by refusing to enter the system for this simple charge he is convicted of. That is what the negotiations are about. He couldn't even stop this charge from conviction while his own proxy government was in power.

The other charges are much more serious. He's worried if he went in for the 2 years, out in 11 months for good behavior, would suddenly become life (at his age) in stir for the combined charges.

Normally I would stay silent on this.... water under the bridge and all that...

Dancing around the fact that it is illegal to criticise judge's decisions...

Who placed the highest bid for the land?
Who has later had the money refunded (plus 10% interest per year)?
Who wrote the law saying that a husband must countersign a wife's land purchases? (it's been on the books for a long time)

And finally - what amount of influence did Thaksin have over the FIDF? The FIDF was supervised by the Governor of the Bank of Thailand, who was appointed by the military junta to be Minister of Finance in the interim government of 2006 - there was a lot of speculation at the time that they would propose him as interim PM.
Just to clarify, the Chairman (Governor) of the Bank of Thailand is not appointed by the elected government.

Cheers

I'll try and correct your faulty logic.
You state;
"Governor of the Bank of Thailand,
who was appointed by the military junta to be Minister of Finance
in the interim government of 2006"

This statement clearly invalidates your attempted point,
because the crime he was convicted of was BEFORE the coup.
So there was no appointed by junta person in the FIDF.

Q ) How can Thaksin be the PM and thus be in conflict of interest,
if the coup has already happened?
A ) He can't.

Edited by animatic, 2012-02-23 18:51:53.

[animatic]

Buchholz, on 2012-02-23 13:49:39, said:

airconsult, on 2012-02-23 13:43:36, said:

Buchholz, on 2012-02-23 13:31:46, said:

^ perhaps best addressed by reopening one of the other previous 829 threads on the specifics of Thaksin's conviction.

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You're right, I apologise - I guess I have read and seen many worse things than that done by elected officials (including the subject person) in many countries, so sometimes I get a bit sick of people hammering that particular conviction so much.

Cheers

No worries.
The "worse things" cases are on standby for his return.
If he had not fled and was not a fugitive, there would likely have been more than this particular conviction for people to hammer away on.

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And the main reasons for all the violence and political gamesmanship
is not the 2 years conviction, but the fact being in jail for that
prevents him from stalling all the other 7 more serious cases from going forward.

He would be brought to court regularly by prison officials, no delays no excuses,
and thus the stalled ones would start up and the others would commence.

His only choice is to force Thailand into a deal to make it all go away,
or rewrite the constitution to make it all go away, and that means
calling it political often and loudly so he can lump himself in with
all other political figures potential cases, and through all charges
out with the wash.

Thing is there are many who'd rather face their charges than let him off the hook.
Because Thaksin getting off scot free would swell his ego to unmanagible
proportions, and that makes for an unmanageable sense of hubris, fearlessness
and  naked power over others to continue his face rebuilding.

Face is built in Thailand by lowering others, while building up yourself.
Sometimes that can be rather dangerous for those being lowered.

Edited by animatic, 2012-02-23 19:01:22.

[TAWP]

blows, on 2012-02-23 12:34:05, said:

animatic, on 2012-02-23 11:16:36, said:

He broke the law,
he was convicted,
he absconded while on bail,
he didn't appeal the conviction.

But the real threat to him is the other charges he has stalled by refusing to enter the system for this simple charge he is convicted of. That is what the negotiations are about. He couldn't even stop this charge from conviction while his own proxy government was in power.

The other charges are much more serious. He's worried if he went in for the 2 years, out in 11 months for good behavior, would suddenly become life (at his age) in stir for the combined charges.

They should have tried him and convicted him in absentia on the other charges.

I agree, but that isn't the law here.

[rixalex]

airconsult, on 2012-02-23 13:43:36, said:

Buchholz, on 2012-02-23 13:31:46, said:

^ perhaps best addressed by reopening one of the other previous 829 threads on the specifics of Thaksin's conviction.

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You're right, I apologise - I guess I have read and seen many worse things than that done by elected officials (including the subject person) in many countries, so sometimes I get a bit sick of people hammering that particular conviction so much.

Cheers

You seem to be of the opinion that the conviction is fairly trivial. The fact that this crime carries a two year prison sentence suggests the justice system doesn't agree with your opinion. Personally i think two years should have been doubled when the accused attempted to bribe the court. It wasn't increased and i seem to recall the refused bribe money was actually returned. Then of course he fled. Should have had his sentence doubled again for that. Takes us to eight years. Time off for good behaviour, might get away with three or four. Of course that works on the assumption of him ever accepting punishment, which i think we can safely say he never will, as he is amart and considers himself above the law.

[rixalex]

CalgaryII, on 2012-02-23 19:20:00, said:

No wonder I am inclined to avoid Thaksin hater threads.

I don't think anyone would be required to wonder about why you are inclined that way. It's blindingly obvious.

[CalgaryII]

rixalex, on 2012-02-23 19:30:40, said:

CalgaryII, on 2012-02-23 19:20:00, said:

No wonder I am inclined to avoid Thaksin hater threads.

I don't think anyone would be required to wonder about why you are inclined that way. It's blindingly obvious.

I sincerely hope so.

[Ricardo]

CalgaryII, on 2012-02-23 19:20:00, said:

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A political figure like him railroaded out of the country by his fearful political enemies is an exile.

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"railroaded out of the country by his fearful political enemies"

In the interests of Truth & Justice, you might care to check who was in-government, at the time former-PM Thaksin asked the court for permission to attend the opening-ceremony of the Beijing-Olympics, and subsequently failed-to-return.

It was PPP, one of his own nominee-parties, not the military-junta appointed-government.

And it was the disgraced former-PM, who freely chose not to return, thus "exile" should more-correctly read "self-exile".

[CalgaryII]

Ricardo, on 2012-02-23 19:45:23, said:

CalgaryII, on 2012-02-23 19:20:00, said:

<snip for brevity>

A political figure like him railroaded out of the country by his fearful political enemies is an exile.

<snip for brevity>

"railroaded out of the country by his fearful political enemies"

In the interests of Truth & Justice, you might care to check who was in-government, at the time former-PM Thaksin asked the court for permission to attend the opening-ceremony of the Beijing-Olympics, and subsequently failed-to-return.

It was PPP, one of his own nominee-parties, not the military-junta appointed-government.

And it was the disgraced former-PM, who freely chose not to return, thus "exile" should more-correctly read "self-exile".

Yeah, Ok

Self-exile it is then.

Kicking ass in elections > self exile.

Got it.

Ms. Y better be careful....winning elections is injurious to ones political health.

She has one under her belt.

I wonder how many it will take, and she will be the biggest criminal the whole world has ever known.

What was it....three for Thaksin, and the judicial sword fell?

If that is correct, Ms. Y has two to go.

Edited by CalgaryII, 2012-02-23 19:53:28.

[Buchholz]

CalgaryII, on 2012-02-23 19:20:00, said:

When I spoke of 'indoctrinated Thaksin haters" little did I realise how insightful and precise I was.

I saw an earlier Post referencing over 800 threads of and by Thaksin Haters.

Over 800 threads!,,, un-------believable.

Don't feel left out. There were Thaksin Lovers posts on all of them

btw, None of the threads were "by" Thaksin haters. They were all by Admin.

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Edited by Buchholz, 2012-02-23 20:02:27.

[CalgaryII]

Buchholz, on 2012-02-23 19:55:05, said:

CalgaryII, on 2012-02-23 19:20:00, said:

When I spoke of 'indoctrinated Thaksin haters" little did I realise how insightful and precise I was.

I saw an earlier Post referencing over 800 threads of and by Thaksin Haters.

Over 800 threads!,,, un-------believable.

Don't feel left out. There were Thaksin Lovers posts on all of them

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Everybody needs some love!

[Buchholz]

CalgaryII, on 2012-02-23 19:57:47, said:

Buchholz, on 2012-02-23 19:55:05, said:

CalgaryII, on 2012-02-23 19:20:00, said:

When I spoke of 'indoctrinated Thaksin haters" little did I realise how insightful and precise I was.

I saw an earlier Post referencing over 800 threads of and by Thaksin Haters.

Over 800 threads!,,, un-------believable.

Don't feel left out. There were Thaksin Lovers posts on all of them

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Everybody needs some love!

Yep, even fugitive tyrannical despots.

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[CalgaryII]

Buchholz, on 2012-02-23 20:04:01, said:

CalgaryII, on 2012-02-23 19:57:47, said:

Buchholz, on 2012-02-23 19:55:05, said:

CalgaryII, on 2012-02-23 19:20:00, said:

When I spoke of 'indoctrinated Thaksin haters" little did I realise how insightful and precise I was.

I saw an earlier Post referencing over 800 threads of and by Thaksin Haters.

Over 800 threads!,,, un-------believable.

Don't feel left out. There were Thaksin Lovers posts on all of them

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Everybody needs some love!

Yep, even fugitive tyrannical despots.

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Fugitive, tyrannical despots = indoctrination.

Thaksin haters are irrevocably catagorized by me.

[Reasonableman]

Categorised, actually, and then its still nothing more than meaningless pretentious verbiage. Your fugitive lack of education keeps on shining through.

[metisdead]

A post containing a false statement has been removed.

[waza]

CalgaryII, on 2012-02-23 19:57:47, said:

Buchholz, on 2012-02-23 19:55:05, said:

CalgaryII, on 2012-02-23 19:20:00, said:

When I spoke of 'indoctrinated Thaksin haters" little did I realise how insightful and precise I was.

I saw an earlier Post referencing over 800 threads of and by Thaksin Haters.

Over 800 threads!,,, un-------believable.

Don't feel left out. There were Thaksin Lovers posts on all of them

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Everybody needs some love!

Here another glimpse at your honesty,  CalgaryII, you miss the truth of your obvious lie when you excluded Buchholz comment.....
"btw, None of the threads were "by" Thaksin haters. They were all by Admin."


This is why you and your comments have no credibility.

[Reasonableman]

And are devoid of candour and integrity. Lies may be OK where you come from, but most TVF posters are expressing their genuine opinions. You, however, are pushing an agenda regardless of the facts. It reflects badly not only on you, but the agenda you are promoting. Your utility for this cause is way past its use by date.

[Nickymaster]

How do you call a person that starts something (change the constitution) that everybody knows will create conflicts and division and then says: "I am worried about conflicts in Thailand, I hope all Thais can reconcile"?

I believe such a person is called a hypocrite.

Edited by Nickymaster, 2012-02-24 11:22:52.

[metisdead]

Posts have been removed as certain parts of a quoted post were removed to change the meaning of the post to suit the agenda of the poster. It is generally accepted to <snip> posts for brevity, however to selectively snip a post to suit your agenda is not acceptable.