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[Gary A]

I hate touch screen phones but am curious about their popularity and android. I have been looking for a good second hand phone for quite some time without any success. Most of the second hand android phones were beat up or simply too old.

I decided to just buy a new entry level phone and go from there. I will try my best to get used to the touch screen. I liked the idea of a water and shock resistant phone with an anti scratch screen. That limited my choices and the only one that seems to fit is the Motorola Defy Plus. The 3.7 inch screen phone should still fit in my pocket.

Today I ordered one from invadeIT. I had decided that for the price, if I can't get used to the touch screen and still hate them, I can part with it without that much pain. At least it would be less painful than trying to get rid of a 21,000 baht phone.

[whybother]

It's probably easier to get rid of a good phone than getting rid of a crap phone.

You'll have to get used to touch screen phones. They're here to stay.  You probably said the same sort of thing when mobile phones came out.

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[cdnvic]

With all the variety of apps out there any smartphone is what you make of it. Android, Apple, and even Blackberry have a lot of great stuff, and a lot of crap in their app markets. Give it some patience and you'll build a phone that you'll soon find indispensible.

[ludditeman]

After dissatisfaction with my Blackberry Torch set in (fed up with all the extra costs to use most of it) I too am experimenting with Android.
After looking at the Galaxy SG2 at 18k and the Galaxy Note at 22k, I decided too much for too little.
Settled on a Galaxy Tab 7", secondhand for just under 9k.
Fits in my front trouser pocket (Just)
Great for Navigation, Syngic for route planning (offline) and OruxMaps for Hiking (online or offline)
K9 is goog for handling my email
Firefox for Internet browsing
Kindle for reading books
OK for streaming videos (allshare on Android and MezzMo on PC)  when my family are insisting on watching Lakorn TV (still to try Serviio on PC)
Just playing with music today, using MixZing
Google night sky for star gazing
Pocket Legends and GTA III for games

I'm really happy with it so far, it even works as a phone!

Edited by ludditeman, 2012-02-09 18:54:15.

[lomatopo]

Not much of an experiment so far; you just spent money. Haven't you used many touch-screen phones before and found them to be unsatisfactory?

Do you know which version you purchased? Which applications are you hoping to run?

I agree that it is better to buy a product you are confident you will like rather than buying a product you may like, regardless of price.

[4evermaat]

lomatopo, on 2012-02-09 19:41:15, said:

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I agree that it is better to buy a product you are confident you will like rather than buying a product you may like, regardless of price.

+1

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[Gary A]

lomatopo, on 2012-02-09 19:41:15, said:

Not much of an experiment so far; you just spent money. Haven't you used many touch-screen phones before and found them to be unsatisfactory?

Do you know which version you purchased? Which applications are you hoping to run?

I agree that it is better to buy a product you are confident you will like rather than buying a product you may like, regardless of price.

The touch screen phone I gave to a destitute friend was an LG Windows phone. He uses it for his Internet connection. My other touch screen is a cheap Samsung and my wife is using that one. She likes it even though the call audio qualities are not very good. She has much better hearing than I do. I have never had an android touch screen phone.

The one I just purchased is a Motorola Defy Plus and it comes with android V2.3.3. I have no idea what applications I will install. Supposedly the operating system is easily modified to custom systems. The hated Motoblur on Motorola phones has been changed and supposedly is much less intrusive on the newer models. I will use the phone as received until I learn more about android.

My problem is that I have no confidence that I will like any touch screen regardless of the price. I bought the Motorola because the call quality is supposed to be among the very best. The reviews were good and supposedly it is a very tough phone. Priced at 10,900 baht, it doesn't seem like that much of a gamble.

[nikster]

Is it running Android 4.0? It's vastly improved in the latest version....

[tutsiwarrior]

I bought an HTC Wildfire about 18 months ago to try out the touch screen...I never use any of the internet features but the music and the camera are nice...I've found that I prefer the buttons rather than a touch screen...

when the battery finishes I'll be back with the push buttons but I'll have pay for all the 'smart phone' features that I don't need to get the same music and camera quality (with the little storage card)...I really only need the telephone capability as I'm near my laptop all day and that suffices for all the rest...

I don't get out much, I know....

[bazmlb]

I got a SH HTC desire. Its great. The wife bought herself the Nexus galaxy which nice but big.  Now I have whatsapp there is no way I would go back to blackberry

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[wana]

i honestly have gotten so used to my 4.3" screen GS2 i dont think i would be able to use a small phone again

its just so smooth and responsive and it does more stuff than youve ever dreamed a phone could do

when i get home ,it acts as my wifi router ,mp3 player and fm radio ,streaming the 3g /H+ to my laptop wirelessly

when im out i get my emails instantly and reply on the spot or within minutes when it used to take me hours or even the next day

i have unlimited 3g internet so my phones calls are practiacally zero since most persons i know have :

msn
skype
yahoo messinger
line
whatsapp
viber
imo
facebook
twitter
etc ,etc etc

dont have to return home to google something or check online banking like i used to have to do
so it saves me a lot of time

if im in a giant shop and i need something i cant say in thai ,i can usually find a picture on google images in a flash
and the staff know what im looking for without the hassle of any language barrier

it has  online dictionary that converts english  to 170 differnt languages etc

a sliding keyboard so i can type with 1 hand (slideit)

a proper hi- resolution camera with HD video

a yellow note pad app i can jot down little post it notes and stick on the other homescreens if i need to note something briefly

really too much stuff to even list it all

i thought it was quite massive @ 4.3" when i got it but now im thinking 4.6 or even 5.0" might be managable

for my next multi purpose pocket gadjet computer phonecalling  thing

[Crushdepth]

Gary A, on 2012-02-09 21:27:30, said:

lomatopo, on 2012-02-09 19:41:15, said:

Not much of an experiment so far; you just spent money. Haven't you used many touch-screen phones before and found them to be unsatisfactory?

Do you know which version you purchased? Which applications are you hoping to run?

I agree that it is better to buy a product you are confident you will like rather than buying a product you may like, regardless of price.

The touch screen phone I gave to a destitute friend was an LG Windows phone. He uses it for his Internet connection. My other touch screen is a cheap Samsung and my wife is using that one. She likes it even though the call audio qualities are not very good. She has much better hearing than I do. I have never had an android touch screen phone.

The one I just purchased is a Motorola Defy Plus and it comes with android V2.3.3. I have no idea what applications I will install. Supposedly the operating system is easily modified to custom systems. The hated Motoblur on Motorola phones has been changed and supposedly is much less intrusive on the newer models. I will use the phone as received until I learn more about android.

My problem is that I have no confidence that I will like any touch screen regardless of the price. I bought the Motorola because the call quality is supposed to be among the very best. The reviews were good and supposedly it is a very tough phone. Priced at 10,900 baht, it doesn't seem like that much of a gamble.

So did you decide you like it or what?

[Gary A]

Crushdepth, on 2012-02-11 07:52:31, said:

Gary A, on 2012-02-09 21:27:30, said:

lomatopo, on 2012-02-09 19:41:15, said:

Not much of an experiment so far; you just spent money. Haven't you used many touch-screen phones before and found them to be unsatisfactory?

Do you know which version you purchased? Which applications are you hoping to run?

I agree that it is better to buy a product you are confident you will like rather than buying a product you may like, regardless of price.

The touch screen phone I gave to a destitute friend was an LG Windows phone. He uses it for his Internet connection. My other touch screen is a cheap Samsung and my wife is using that one. She likes it even though the call audio qualities are not very good. She has much better hearing than I do. I have never had an android touch screen phone.

The one I just purchased is a Motorola Defy Plus and it comes with android V2.3.3. I have no idea what applications I will install. Supposedly the operating system is easily modified to custom systems. The hated Motoblur on Motorola phones has been changed and supposedly is much less intrusive on the newer models. I will use the phone as received until I learn more about android.

My problem is that I have no confidence that I will like any touch screen regardless of the price. I bought the Motorola because the call quality is supposed to be among the very best. The reviews were good and supposedly it is a very tough phone. Priced at 10,900 baht, it doesn't seem like that much of a gamble.

So did you decide you like it or what?

I haven't received it yet.

[lomatopo]

Do you know which version, 3G frequencies, you purchased? I'm guessing the 850/2100 version, as it says "DTAC/TrueMove" on the invadeIT page? But then any Motorola specs reference 900/2100 (MB526).

I think you could have done better with something like the Samsung Captivate, 10,800 at YSR Shop. This unit is 850/1900/2100 3G, has a 4" Super AMOLED screen and massive developer support.

Maybe read up on the Defy here: http://forum.xda-dev...splay.php?f=852

[Gary A]

lomatopo, on 2012-02-11 09:14:24, said:

Do you know which version, 3G frequencies, you purchased? I'm guessing the 850/2100 version, as it says "DTAC/TrueMove" on the invadeIT page? But then any Motorola specs reference 900/2100 (MB526).

I think you could have done better with something like the Samsung Captivate, 10,800 at YSR Shop. This unit is 850/1900/2100 3G, has a 4" Super AMOLED screen and massive developer support.

Maybe read up on the Defy here: http://forum.xda-dev...splay.php?f=852

I have no 3G coverage yet but it appears that True will be the first to offer coverage here. The 850 band will work for True and Dtac and you are correct, it has 850 and 2100 frequencies. I chose the Defy plus especially for the call audio quality.

[thaicbr]

Gary A, on 2012-02-11 11:13:24, said:

lomatopo, on 2012-02-11 09:14:24, said:

Do you know which version, 3G frequencies, you purchased? I'm guessing the 850/2100 version, as it says "DTAC/TrueMove" on the invadeIT page? But then any Motorola specs reference 900/2100 (MB526).

I think you could have done better with something like the Samsung Captivate, 10,800 at YSR Shop. This unit is 850/1900/2100 3G, has a 4" Super AMOLED screen and massive developer support.

Maybe read up on the Defy here: http://forum.xda-dev...splay.php?f=852

I have no 3G coverage yet but it appears that True will be the first to offer coverage here. The 850 band will work for True and Dtac and you are correct, it has 850 and 2100 frequencies. I chose the Defy plus especially for the call audio quality.

When you decide you don't like it could i have 1st option to buy it from you.. Thanks

[thaicbr]

lomatopo, on 2012-02-11 09:14:24, said:

Do you know which version, 3G frequencies, you purchased? I'm guessing the 850/2100 version, as it says "DTAC/TrueMove" on the invadeIT page? But then any Motorola specs reference 900/2100 (MB526).

I think you could have done better with something like the Samsung Captivate, 10,800 at YSR Shop. This unit is 850/1900/2100 3G, has a 4" Super AMOLED screen and massive developer support.

Maybe read up on the Defy here: http://forum.xda-dev...splay.php?f=852

What is the standard version of Android available on the Captivate???

[Gary A]

thaicbr, on 2012-02-12 12:54:59, said:

Gary A, on 2012-02-11 11:13:24, said:

lomatopo, on 2012-02-11 09:14:24, said:

Do you know which version, 3G frequencies, you purchased? I'm guessing the 850/2100 version, as it says "DTAC/TrueMove" on the invadeIT page? But then any Motorola specs reference 900/2100 (MB526).

I think you could have done better with something like the Samsung Captivate, 10,800 at YSR Shop. This unit is 850/1900/2100 3G, has a 4" Super AMOLED screen and massive developer support.

Maybe read up on the Defy here: http://forum.xda-dev...splay.php?f=852

I have no 3G coverage yet but it appears that True will be the first to offer coverage here. The 850 band will work for True and Dtac and you are correct, it has 850 and 2100 frequencies. I chose the Defy plus especially for the call audio quality.

When you decide you don't like it could i have 1st option to buy it from you.. Thanks

I'll keep you in mind.

Don't hold your breath. If the call quality is as good as they say and the camera is better than what I have, It's possible that I may turn off all the other stuff and just use it as a regular phone.

[ludditeman]

Went out hiking with a pal today.
We were using GPS mapping  on our Samsungs (his a SG2, mine a Tab)
After 3 hours his battery was flat and his phone turned off.
After 5 hours, my Tab was down to 70%, and I spent the rest of the day listening to music, battery still at 60%.

I was shocked at the poor battery performance of the SG2.
The phone isn't much use if the battery is too small.

[wana]

ludditeman, on 2012-02-12 22:07:28, said:

Went out hiking with a pal today.
We were using GPS mapping  on our Samsungs (his a SG2, mine a Tab)
After 3 hours his battery was flat and his phone turned off.
After 5 hours, my Tab was down to 70%, and I spent the rest of the day listening to music, battery still at 60%.

I was shocked at the poor battery performance of the SG2.
The phone isn't much use if the battery is too small.

yes ,thats pretty accurate

if youre using everything the SGS2  drinks juice at a frightening rate

i downloaded a driving simulator  game and played it for 20 or 30 minutes

when i turned it off my battery was down to 75% ( in around a half an hour! )

[Gary A]

I got the new phone today and so far android and the touch screen are pieces of shit.

[lomatopo]

Gary A, on 2012-02-13 21:41:06, said:

I got the new phone today and so far android and the touch screen are pieces of shit.

I'm guessing none of us are surprised. Oh well, most experiments are not successful. Maybe give the go-ahead to thaicbr to take a breath?

[wana]

Gary A, on 2012-02-13 21:41:06, said:

I got the new phone today and so far android and the touch screen are pieces of shit.

i think you will get used to it

when my gf first got an iphone whenever they first come out i decided after 2 minutes it was crap
and my old nokia xxxxx whatever was much  better

now even i have abondonened old faithful nokias when the gs2 came out


give it time , if after  a month you still think its worthless ,then maybe change back to the older style

[ludditeman]

Just installed thaivisa app on my Tab. Works a treat.

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[Gary A]

After a couple of days of playing with the phone, I'm quite happy with the audio call properties. The camera could be better but it is not too bad. It is a 5 MP camera but the pictures from my E52 Nokia 3.2 MP are at least as good.

I set up Motoblur and it seems to be mostly for the social networking sites. I don't like or use those sites so I reset it back to factory settings and no longer use the Motoblur. I have come to the conclusion that most of the available applications are just toys and not of much practical use.

The GPS with Google maps works better than expected but my dedicated Garmins are MUCH better. The battery life seems quite good so far but it eats Internet time quickly. I have learned that the battery saving android application seems pretty good as far as conserving the battery and limiting the automatic connecting crap.

I'm actually getting along pretty well with the touch screen. It does take some getting used to. It is fairly easy to answer the more urgent emails with the touch screen. The swype application is interesting and if gotten used to on a regular basis should speed up typing considerably.

I'm rather impressed with the phone itself and if I can get it to the point that I can open all the applications manually rather than the phone doing it automatically I will get by just fine. No way do I want the phone connecting to the Internet on its own. The battery is big enough and it looks like it should last at least a week if I can eliminate all the automatic crap. I deleted the battery saver that I had installed and am hoping that the native battery saver will work just as well. There are many battery savers and process killers on the market.

ADDED - The phone came with android version 2.3.4 installed.

Edited by Gary A, 2012-02-14 21:50:25.