Posted 2012-02-12 10:04:27
 Berkshire, on 2012-02-12 09:24:50, said:
connda, on 2012-02-11 18:16:47, said:
How about if I'm retired and have more money than the average Thai will earn in 200 years?
I really don't care what Thai people think of me. I guess if I wanted to impress them, I'd drive about in a BMW or Mercedes. But you know, I really don't give a flying rip. I'm not falling into that same cultural morass that most Thais tend to gravitate toward.
I don't need anyone's respect in order to have self-respect. If you do? Well, then I pity you. Get a life.
Another guy who claims not to care what anyone thinks. In my experience, those who have to come out and say that are the ones who care the most. Are you trying to impress us with your non-chalant, non-caring attitude? We're also not impressed that you claim to have "more money than the average Thai will earn in 200 years." Why do some guys feel the need to flaunt their perceived wealth?
If I could afford a new pair of flip flops, I'd flaunt it too.
Actually, I did manage to get round to buying a new pair of shoes. Luckily, the local places didn't have my size, so I bought a British brand. So no more of this "Look at these shoes, I've only had them three weeks ..." or however long.
SC
Posted 2012-02-12 16:08:18
necronx99, on 2012-02-12 02:48:00, said:
StreetCowboy, on 2012-02-12 02:38:46, said:
Fair enough in the heat of the mid-day sun, but surely one dons one's jacket and tie for dinner?
One does not want to be mistaken for some Johnny Foreigner type...
SC
I organize regular black tie affairs.
Nobody comes and I eat alone, but I do cut a dashing figure in my tux..the pizza guy seems genuinely impressed.
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That would be a Butlers convention?
 Loads of Johnny Foreigner types walking around, bowing and scraping in their Tux to impress the local riff raff?
"Would Sir like another Chang?" 
Posted 2012-02-12 16:43:14
pattayadingo, on 2012-02-12 16:08:18, said:
necronx99, on 2012-02-12 02:48:00, said:
StreetCowboy, on 2012-02-12 02:38:46, said:
Fair enough in the heat of the mid-day sun, but surely one dons one's jacket and tie for dinner?
One does not want to be mistaken for some Johnny Foreigner type...
SC
I organize regular black tie affairs.
Nobody comes and I eat alone, but I do cut a dashing figure in my tux..the pizza guy seems genuinely impressed.
Sent from my iPad using ThaiVisa app
That would be a Butlers convention?
Loads of Johnny Foreigner types walking around, bowing and scraping in their Tux to impress the local riff raff?
"Would Sir like another Chang?"
A well knotted bow-tie is what separates us from the heathens Sir.
Not dressing for dinner leads to a path of darkness and savagery.
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Posted 2012-02-17 18:40:25
maybe just don't wear 'wife beaters' or just stop showing your tattoos.
or just stop showing your upper body if you are over 50, no matter how fit you keep...
ya, I know most of u complain these are things the Russians do but sadly, I have seen mostly Aussies and Brits doing this at that age.
In any country in this world you will get more respect dressing up decently. Thailand is no exception.
We can discuss what 'dressing up decently' means but this will make no difference in Thailand compared with other country. Maybe they will be a bit more conservative if anything at all.
Posted 2012-02-17 19:32:11
necronx99, on 2012-02-11 14:31:43, said:
nocturn, on 2012-02-11 14:16:02, said:
Ijustwannateach, on 2012-02-11 02:48:13, said:
I don't know whether it's because I'm young enough that the natural presumption is that I'm not retired, or whether it is because most people who actually meet me will learn from normal conversation with me that I'm not a tourist- but I bet I get more positive regard around town simply because I'm wearing a button-down shirt that fits me and long office-quality pants, than those who dress as if it doesn't matter if they are wearing a singlet in downtown Bangkok.
Clothes and presentation here do matter. Having something productive to do with your life can help- I would say it is as important for your own self esteem as for what anyone else thinks of you. That doesn't have to be a job, but you do need an occupation.
what exactly are office quality pants?
They have those velcro strips down the side so you can whip them off when Mrs Crabtree, the 3rd grade teacher get jiggy with it.
Only if you are a heterosexual teacher
Posted 2012-02-17 20:01:12
My job only requires that I have a laptop. So it looks like I'm a bum because I don't need to dress up for a job. I guess Thai people just think I'm a tourist or independently wealthy. Doesn't matter to me either way.
Posted 2012-02-17 20:03:58
theblether, on 2012-02-11 16:37:09, said:
I suppose the root of it is self respect and respect for others, I'm not in a rush to reach the lowest common denominator.
edit
Because my Mother would kill me if I did.
I am looking for advice from you and Street Cowboy; next weekend I am to attend a Thai wedding. I have five suits here but none are morning dress and therefore perhaps inappropriate.
However I do possess also both formal and informal Scottish Highland wear. What would be your advice as to appropriateness and etiquette?
Posted 2012-02-17 20:11:00
Jingthing, on 2012-02-10 23:21:29, said:
In Pattaya, wearing a button down shirt instead of a "Bad Guys Go to Pattaya" t-shirt and sneakers instead of flip flops puts me in the top crust of f-rangs.  A button down shirt? Is that one of those creations with buttons on the collar?
How terribly American
What is wrong with a proper shirt and tie, it was always good enough in the days of Empire.
Posted 2012-02-17 20:50:15
pastitche, on 2012-02-17 20:11:00, said:
Jingthing, on 2012-02-10 23:21:29, said:
In Pattaya, wearing a button down shirt instead of a "Bad Guys Go to Pattaya" t-shirt and sneakers instead of flip flops puts me in the top crust of f-rangs.
A button down shirt? Is that one of those creations with buttons on the collar?
How terribly American
What is wrong with a proper shirt and tie, it was always good enough in the days of Empire.
Correctly referred to, so I am told, as a "bastid button-down".
For the wedding, I would strongly recommend against the Highland dress, unless everyone else is wearing it; only the groom should stand out amongst the gentlemen present.
If you don't have a morning suit, can I suggest you keep to the back row in the photographs? Although it depends on the overall look that you are going for. Everyone told me the dinner jacket was a waste of time if I was going to be wearing a samping.
Seriously, for the last wedding I was at - just the reception - I wore blazer and black trousers, amd a sober tie, since it was a Muslim affair. I was the only one thus attired, but I was the only white fella, I think, and at least I faded into the background easily enough...
SC
Posted 2012-02-17 21:37:25
Quote If you don't have a morning suit
Sounds like a sarong to me.
Posted 2012-02-17 21:44:02
pastitche, on 2012-02-17 20:11:00, said:
Jingthing, on 2012-02-10 23:21:29, said:
In Pattaya, wearing a button down shirt instead of a "Bad Guys Go to Pattaya" t-shirt and sneakers instead of flip flops puts me in the top crust of f-rangs. A button down shirt? Is that one of those creations with buttons on the collar?
How terribly American
What is wrong with a proper shirt and tie, it was always good enough in the days of Empire.
This is very funny. Apparently, the proper term for what I meant was button front shirt as button down shirt refers to the collar. However, I have used button down for that all my life and don't really recall hearing anyone call what I meant button front shirts. I'm a casual guy!
Hey, even smarty pants old me can learn something on Thaivisa!
Edited by Jingthing, 2012-02-17 21:44:28.
Posted 2012-02-17 22:29:41
StreetCowboy, on 2012-02-17 20:50:15, said:
pastitche, on 2012-02-17 20:11:00, said:
Jingthing, on 2012-02-10 23:21:29, said:
In Pattaya, wearing a button down shirt instead of a "Bad Guys Go to Pattaya" t-shirt and sneakers instead of flip flops puts me in the top crust of f-rangs.
A button down shirt? Is that one of those creations with buttons on the collar?
How terribly American
What is wrong with a proper shirt and tie, it was always good enough in the days of Empire.
Correctly referred to, so I am told, as a "bastid button-down".
For the wedding, I would strongly recommend against the Highland dress, unless everyone else is wearing it; only the groom should stand out amongst the gentlemen present.
If you don't have a morning suit, can I suggest you keep to the back row in the photographs? Although it depends on the overall look that you are going for. Everyone told me the dinner jacket was a waste of time if I was going to be wearing a samping.
Seriously, for the last wedding I was at - just the reception - I wore blazer and black trousers, amd a sober tie, since it was a Muslim affair. I was the only one thus attired, but I was the only white fella, I think, and at least I faded into the background easily enough...
SC
Thank you SC for your warning against the national costume; I did suspect that it might be a tad warm as her cousin appeared to think when he wore it at my wedding and this one is even more upcountry. I expect I will use the standard format and wear what I am told, hopefully just black trousers and white shirt, with no tie since none of her relatives has ever worn one in my presence, except for the father of her first (and late) husband.
Posted 2012-02-17 22:32:51
Jingthing, on 2012-02-17 21:44:02, said:
pastitche, on 2012-02-17 20:11:00, said:
Jingthing, on 2012-02-10 23:21:29, said:
In Pattaya, wearing a button down shirt instead of a "Bad Guys Go to Pattaya" t-shirt and sneakers instead of flip flops puts me in the top crust of f-rangs. A button down shirt? Is that one of those creations with buttons on the collar?
How terribly American
What is wrong with a proper shirt and tie, it was always good enough in the days of Empire.
This is very funny. Apparently, the proper term for what I meant was button front shirt as button down shirt refers to the collar. However, I have used button down for that all my life and don't really recall hearing anyone call what I meant button front shirts. I'm a casual guy!
Hey, even smarty pants old me can learn something on Thaivisa!
Jingthing It is an unexpected pleasure to have revealed some sartorial secrets to such a legendary hero
Posted 2012-02-17 22:37:01
I never took a job that required business attire or arriving before noon.
Posted 2012-02-18 11:21:27
Jingthing, on 2012-02-17 22:37:01, said:
I never took a job that required business attire or arriving before noon.
You were a roadie for the Rolling Stones?
Posted 2012-02-18 11:24:47
pastitche, on 2012-02-18 11:21:27, said:
Jingthing, on 2012-02-17 22:37:01, said:
I never took a job that required business attire or arriving before noon.
You were a roadie for the Rolling Stones?
You're warm. 
Edited by Jingthing, 2012-02-18 11:25:25.
Posted 2012-02-18 15:04:11
I find it a silly question - of course you get more respect - not different at all than in any other country.
The validity of this respect is not in question here, simply the fact of having a job places you above the whore-mongers (who may have a job anyway) and bums.
I have no idea how retirees are seen here
Posted 2012-02-18 15:58:40
So what's the big news here? Those who haven't been taught how to behave, dress properly and manage to use a soap in the shower will never be fun to hang out with, unless some carry a peg in their pockets.
Posted 2012-02-18 16:37:56
being seen to be raising a thai child on your own certainly doesnt hurt your standing in the community, if you are of a reasonable age to do so, of course
Edited by tinfoilhat, 2012-02-18 16:38:50.
Posted 2012-02-18 16:51:26
tinfoilhat, on 2012-02-18 16:37:56, said:
being seen to be raising a thai child on your own certainly doesnt hurt your standing in the community, if you are of a reasonable age to do so, of course
Agree. Young men make bad fathers. That is what you meant right?
Posted 2012-02-18 18:54:26
Job definitely helps with your respect from the community, especially in a small town, as I have 2600 students who Wai me every where I go lol.
Also I always get refered to in conversation as "Ajarn" by my gf's family and most of the people I meet in town, I think it must outrank the coveted title of "farang" lol
Edited by SlyAnimal, 2012-02-18 18:55:02.
Posted 2012-02-18 21:18:02
kerryk, on 2012-02-18 16:51:26, said:
tinfoilhat, on 2012-02-18 16:37:56, said:
being seen to be raising a thai child on your own certainly doesnt hurt your standing in the community, if you are of a reasonable age to do so, of course
Agree. Young men make bad fathers. That is what you meant right?
yes indeed, that was exactly my point.
Posted 2012-02-18 21:45:32
SlyAnimal, on 2012-02-18 18:54:26, said:
Job definitely helps with your respect from the community, especially in a small town, as I have 2600 students who Wai me every where I go lol.
Also I always get refered to in conversation as "Ajarn" by my gf's family and most of the people I meet in town, I think it must outrank the coveted title of "farang" lol
I had a friend who used to get the same treatment when he walked down Soi Six in Pattaya. Small town good; Pattaya not so good.
Posted 2012-02-20 22:20:50
necronx99, on 2012-02-12 16:43:14, said:
pattayadingo, on 2012-02-12 16:08:18, said:
necronx99, on 2012-02-12 02:48:00, said:
StreetCowboy, on 2012-02-12 02:38:46, said:
Fair enough in the heat of the mid-day sun, but surely one dons one's jacket and tie for dinner?
One does not want to be mistaken for some Johnny Foreigner type...
SC
I organize regular black tie affairs.
Nobody comes and I eat alone, but I do cut a dashing figure in my tux..the pizza guy seems genuinely impressed.
Sent from my iPad using ThaiVisa app
That would be a Butlers convention?
Loads of Johnny Foreigner types walking around, bowing and scraping in their Tux to impress the local riff raff?
"Would Sir like another Chang?"
A well knotted bow-tie is what separates us from the heathens Sir.
Not dressing for dinner leads to a path of darkness and savagery.
I'll go in my Caveman's outfit, complete with club - AKA Fred Flintstone -.
Hmmm, I could drag a few ladies back to my cave...... Heathen fasion 
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