Posted 2012-02-13 00:23:49
 rubl, on 2012-02-12 23:51:35, said:
473geo, on 2012-02-12 23:32:27, said:
Yep get out there Yingluck, show the population they are a consideration for a dedicated PM
Publicity stunt? the Nation does not seem to mind too much when they try and perpetuate any adverse publicity!! keep in touch with your public Yingluck, make others work hard for every vote they attempt to gain at the next election
Show the local population, but keep the rabble at bay:
"The Lower Northern Province of Uttaradit is preparing to Welcome the Prime Minister and her Entourage. Nawin Sinthusa-ard, deputy Uttaradit governor, said about 200 plainclothes and uniformed police officers will be deployed to provide security to the prime minister during her visit tomorrow."
http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5049437
Oh dear Rubl you state deploying 200 plainclothes and uniformed police to control the over enthusiastic crowds...is to "Keep the rabble at bay"
Your Bangkok elitism slip is showing Rubl
Posted 2012-02-13 01:22:47
473geo, on 2012-02-13 00:23:49, said:
rubl, on 2012-02-12 23:51:35, said:
473geo, on 2012-02-12 23:32:27, said:
Yep get out there Yingluck, show the population they are a consideration for a dedicated PM
Publicity stunt? the Nation does not seem to mind too much when they try and perpetuate any adverse publicity!! keep in touch with your public Yingluck, make others work hard for every vote they attempt to gain at the next election
Show the local population, but keep the rabble at bay:
"The Lower Northern Province of Uttaradit is preparing to Welcome the Prime Minister and her Entourage. Nawin Sinthusa-ard, deputy Uttaradit governor, said about 200 plainclothes and uniformed police officers will be deployed to provide security to the prime minister during her visit tomorrow."
http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5049437
Oh dear Rubl you state deploying 200 plainclothes and uniformed police to control the over enthusiastic crowds...is to "Keep the rabble at bay"
Your Bangkok elitism slip is showing Rubl
Elitism? Maybe more reminiscence of then PM Abhisit who had to fight of the enthousiastic crowds a few times. Anyway we'll see later today if PM Yingluck really needed 200 people to provide security. Wondering only why she needs that large a number. Maybe fear that some locals like to show their gratitude for a flooding well-performed ?
Posted 2012-02-13 01:30:45
rubl, on 2012-02-13 01:22:47, said:
473geo, on 2012-02-13 00:23:49, said:
rubl, on 2012-02-12 23:51:35, said:
473geo, on 2012-02-12 23:32:27, said:
Yep get out there Yingluck, show the population they are a consideration for a dedicated PM
Publicity stunt? the Nation does not seem to mind too much when they try and perpetuate any adverse publicity!! keep in touch with your public Yingluck, make others work hard for every vote they attempt to gain at the next election
Show the local population, but keep the rabble at bay:
"The Lower Northern Province of Uttaradit is preparing to Welcome the Prime Minister and her Entourage. Nawin Sinthusa-ard, deputy Uttaradit governor, said about 200 plainclothes and uniformed police officers will be deployed to provide security to the prime minister during her visit tomorrow."
http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5049437
Oh dear Rubl you state deploying 200 plainclothes and uniformed police to control the over enthusiastic crowds...is to "Keep the rabble at bay"
Your Bangkok elitism slip is showing Rubl
Elitism? Maybe more reminiscence of then PM Abhisit who had to fight of the enthousiastic crowds a few times. Anyway we'll see later today if PM Yingluck really needed 200 people to provide security. Wondering only why she needs that large a number. Maybe fear that some locals like to show their gratitude for a flooding well-performed ?
Rambling doesn't suit you Rubl......stick to elitism......  .
Posted 2012-02-13 02:29:48
siampolee, on 2012-02-11 09:49:10, said:
Quote The constant Yingluck bashing from the Nation is becoming tedious.
Much as is the rhetoric from the ministers in this maladministration.
Criticism comes with the position she was shoehorned into,.
criticism in this case comes from those with fewer ideas than the PM... agree with Oberkommando.
Posted 2012-02-13 02:43:04
CalgaryII, on 2012-02-11 10:13:13, said:
Upcountry tour is little more than a publicity stunt
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Publicity stunt?......Ms. Y's tour anywhere in the country is to be commended.
Beats "Bangkok-ifrication"
PM Yingluck's visit to flood-hit provinces will mean nothing if the govt cannot come up with effective flood-prevention plans before the start of the next rainy season
Given the effectiveness of this Govt., I fully expect that they will.
This follows a recent pattern of coup and conspiracy rumours that have provided a smokescreen for the government as it comes under fire on a range of issues.
It was no conspiracy rumour in 2006,
To have a heightened sense of alertness about this is not a smokescreen for the Govt., it is common sense.
Certainly so in light of the Opposition running to the Judges with this in mind, plus the current constitution stll being in effect, loaded with coup-bomblets.
Undoubtedly the Govt. will come under fire on a range of issues, but that doesn't mean they are valid.
It is just the Opposition doing what Oppositions do. Their validity will be assessed in due course, and particularly at the next election 3+ years from now.
"..... a new "super agency........That agency has now been set up - within a typically confusing structure"
What is this " typically confusing structure" thing all about?
The Opposition remain ensconced in their illusions of grandeur,
Suggesting that in reality, they are the only ones who can govern effectively (without confusing structures), even though they cannot be elected as a result of all that perfection.
She should use this trip to obtain firsthand information from people affected by flooding. This is a chance to learn about people's real needs, and to assess how to assist them when things go wrong..... In addition, the prime minister must take into account how each community can deal with water management based on geography and specific situations.
Yeah, OK. That is what it is all about. What is the problem?
The media has already called the trip a "parrot tour"
Similar to how the opposition would denigrate anything she does.
Strange the media would do the same.....strange.
In all likelihood it will not be about what local people can gain, but how Yingluck comes across, in the same way that Thaksin managed to create news when he rode a motorcycle during an upcountry trip.
Obviously what went on before was pretty effective. Considering Ms. Y's electoral success, with Thaksin's involvement fully declared to the electorate.
If Yingluck wants to survive politically in the longer term, she will have to start acting with conviction instead of avoiding some issues and claiming ignorance of others. Political publicity stunts can help her buy time, but they will not keep her in office forever. The public has only so much patience.
The entire theme of this statement suggests that her four-year electoral mandate may not be dependent on electoral realities.
This brings us full circle back to the above comment about coup-alertness.
I rest my case.
Thanks for taking the time to decipher The Nation's drivel. Interestingly, VoiceTV didn't glamorize the trip but just gave the agenda - I'm starting to think that they are less biased than The Nation.
Quote Yingluck to View Anti-Flood Measures In Ayudhya
Yingluck Shinawatra will inspect anti-flood measures in Ayudhya, one of last year's most devastated areas, next week. The premier is scheduled to visit Ayudhya on Feb 16 and Feb 17 during which time she will see ways and means to prevent severe flooding in the central province.
According to provincial governor Wittaya Pewpong, the woman leader will be shown repaired watergates and elevated embankments along the rivers, the ''monkey's cheeks'' or low-lying terrains to contain floodwater in Bang Ban district and Bang Pa-in industrial estate, which was among several factory complexes seriously damaged by last year's flooding.
Known as a major rice-growing province, Ayudhya was usually inundated with flowing waters from Chao Praya, Pasak, Lopburi and Noi rivers during rainy season.
Yingluck will spend the night to see a light and sound show at a Buddhist temple in Ayudhya, he added.
The premier and her cabinet members are also scheduled to visit several other provinces in the central and lower-northern regions to inspect similar anti-flood measures later this month.
Ayudhya lies on the way of the flowing floodwaters from the lower-northern region to Patumtani, Nontaburi and Bangkok. Several other rice-growing provinces lying above Ayudhya, such as Nakorn Sawan, Chainat, Singburi and Angthong, were also severely flooded.
Sounds like a pretty reasonable thing for a PM to do...
Posted 2012-02-13 04:25:26
It is a reasonable thing to do - but don't forget the criticism on this forum is from the dedicated Yingluck bashers, seen through the distorting prism of The Nations Editorial!
Oh if only Khun Mark had won!
Posted 2012-02-13 04:38:04
JAG, on 2012-02-13 04:25:26, said:
It is a reasonable thing to do - but don't forget the criticism on this forum is from the dedicated Yingluck bashers, seen through the distorting prism of The Nations Editorial!
Oh if only Khun Mark had won!
Khun Mark was a far better PM but was hamstrung by his need to form a Coalition government with the usual suspects. Its amazing what he achieved given the circumstances and a testament to his leadership abilities. While Yingluck has the advantages of a majority government who formed a coalition to increase their vote and still have to force policies through via emergency decrees. This is because she is hamstrung by a severe lack of skill and ability at leadership, a control freak of a brother and a party of egocentric individuals all fighting for a share of the spoils by working their own agendas. I feel she is a reluctant clone PM.
Edited by waza, 2012-02-13 04:39:28.
Posted 2012-02-13 05:07:16
JAG, on 2012-02-13 04:25:26, said:
It is a reasonable thing to do - but don't forget the criticism on this forum is from the dedicated Yingluck bashers, seen through the distorting prism of The Nations Editorial!
Oh if only Khun Mark had won!
my eyes have adapted to compensate for The Nation's prism...
Posted 2012-02-13 05:22:39
Perhaps your other eye needs adjustment, as well. Take a look at the other paper's editorial. Coincidence, media conspiracy... Or valid comment?
tlansford, on 2012-02-13 05:07:16, said:
JAG, on 2012-02-13 04:25:26, said:
It is a reasonable thing to do - but don't forget the criticism on this forum is from the dedicated Yingluck bashers, seen through the distorting prism of The Nations Editorial!
Oh if only Khun Mark had won!
my eyes have adapted to compensate for The Nation's prism...
Posted 2012-02-13 05:48:38
Reasonableman, on 2012-02-13 05:22:39, said:
Perhaps your other eye needs adjustment, as well. Take a look at the other paper's editorial. Coincidence, media conspiracy... Or valid comment?
tlansford, on 2012-02-13 05:07:16, said:
JAG, on 2012-02-13 04:25:26, said:
It is a reasonable thing to do - but don't forget the criticism on this forum is from the dedicated Yingluck bashers, seen through the distorting prism of The Nations Editorial!
Oh if only Khun Mark had won!
my eyes have adapted to compensate for The Nation's prism...
Interesting editorial, I cant see a rational for this trip except they want Yingluck out of Bangkok for the week.
Posted 2012-02-13 06:52:02
tlansford, on 2012-02-13 02:29:48, said:
criticism in this case comes from those with fewer ideas than the PM... agree with Oberkommando.
"fewer ideas than the PM"
Is that possible ? I thought all her ideas came from Dubai ? 
The article doesn't mention whether the PM will be visiting Chiang Mai, but that would explain the rash of square red flags which suddenly adorn my local road into town, a reminder of the people who helped her into power, and are now looking for payback.
Posted 2012-02-13 07:26:14
Ricardo, on 2012-02-13 06:52:02, said:
tlansford, on 2012-02-13 02:29:48, said:
criticism in this case comes from those with fewer ideas than the PM... agree with Oberkommando.
"fewer ideas than the PM"
Is that possible ? I thought all her ideas came from Dubai ?
The article doesn't mention whether the PM will be visiting Chiang Mai, but that would explain the rash of square red flags which suddenly adorn my local road into town, a reminder of the people who helped her into power, and are now looking for payback.
In another article it listed 33 provinces in 4 days.
Really going to take the time to meet and get to know her people.
I doubt if she wil even see one devastated home from the flood.
Posted 2012-02-13 07:45:51
hellodolly, on 2012-02-13 07:26:14, said:
Ricardo, on 2012-02-13 06:52:02, said:
tlansford, on 2012-02-13 02:29:48, said:
criticism in this case comes from those with fewer ideas than the PM... agree with Oberkommando.
"fewer ideas than the PM"
Is that possible ? I thought all her ideas came from Dubai ?
The article doesn't mention whether the PM will be visiting Chiang Mai, but that would explain the rash of square red flags which suddenly adorn my local road into town, a reminder of the people who helped her into power, and are now looking for payback.
In another article it listed 33 provinces in 4 days.
Really going to take the time to meet and get to know her people.
I doubt if she wil even see one devastated home from the flood.
Certainly she will, out of the window of her plane or helicopter, from a safe distance ! 
Posted 2012-02-13 08:22:46
33 provinces in 4 days is not "visited" it is "passed through." 3 (or even 4 if they havn't yet upgraded her chopper for night flight) may get her august presence overnight, the others are down to minutes rather than hours.
When I stop to refuel the bike, perhaps linger for a bite and a crap, I don't claim to have visited. Perhaps if I waved to people as I rode through.
Posted 2012-02-13 08:32:58
tlansford, on 2012-02-13 02:43:04, said:
Thanks for taking the time to decipher The Nation's drivel. Interestingly, VoiceTV didn't glamorize the trip but just gave the agenda - I'm starting to think that they are less biased than The Nation.
<snip>
The OP is an EDITORIAL, not a news report.
Posted 2012-02-13 08:33:56
I assume she is heading off down south next week to discuss her governments plans to deal with floods down there.
Posted 2012-02-13 08:50:03
JAG, on 2012-02-13 04:25:26, said:
It is a reasonable thing to do - but don't forget the criticism on this forum is from the dedicated Yingluck bashers, seen through the distorting prism of The Nations Editorial!
Oh if only Khun Mark had won!
Apart from the other English language papers, several Thai papers have criticised this tour.
Posted 2012-02-13 10:15:58
tlansford, on 2012-02-13 02:29:48, said:
siampolee, on 2012-02-11 09:49:10, said:
Quote The constant Yingluck bashing from the Nation is becoming tedious.
Much as is the rhetoric from the ministers in this maladministration.
Criticism comes with the position she was shoehorned into,.
criticism in this case comes from those with fewer ideas than the PM... agree with Oberkommando.
Well there is one element totally missing.
Where's the needed research, proper analysis of historical data. And where's the input from the learned academics and practitioners who were initially sidelined in the last debarcle but listened to when the debarcle got overwhelming and yingluch (dubai?, or perhaps he was so silent becaue he was counting his blood diamond income), the science minister, the justice minister(?) etc., where desperate for some help and eventually listened. Where are these people now. And where's the open public discussion which yingluch talked about earlier?
Where's the transparency? Are we going to see detailed reports of all of the meetings over the next days?
Posted 2012-02-13 18:15:50
scorecard, on 2012-02-13 10:15:58, said:
Where's the transparency? Are we going to see detailed reports of all of the meetings over the next days?
'She came, she waved, she conquered hearts !' 
with apologies to Julius Caesar, and those posters who really do believe, that looking 'hot' is all that 'Poster Girl' needs, to qualify her for her latest job.
Posted 2012-02-13 22:45:57
How about touring Nonthaburi, Bang Yai and Bang Bua Tong and explaining to us why the klongs are nearly overflowing in February!!
Usually these waterways are nearly empty at this time of year. Currently they're half a metre from going over their banks.
Some of Nonthaburi has surface flooding. There hasn't been a lot of rain (never is in Feb)
Nobody expects miracles but an explanation would be helpful.
This government shows zero concern for it's people - disgraceful
Posted 2012-02-14 02:06:21
weka, on 2012-02-13 22:45:57, said:
How about touring Nonthaburi, Bang Yai and Bang Bua Tong and explaining to us why the klongs are nearly overflowing in February!!
Usually these waterways are nearly empty at this time of year. Currently they're half a metre from going over their banks.
Some of Nonthaburi has surface flooding. There hasn't been a lot of rain (never is in Feb)
Nobody expects miracles but an explanation would be helpful.
This government shows zero concern for it's people - disgraceful
You don't think the water maybe released from the Dams in the early part of the year that they may be better equipped to contain the later rains
I have no doubt the waterways you mention were dry last February........
Edited by 473geo, 2012-02-14 02:09:01.
Posted 2012-02-14 06:04:32
This trip may be looked at as "busy work", one of those chores to get the ineffective out of the way, so the wheeler dealers can go about their business. This type of exercise seems what she is best/experienced at and she will probably do less harm on the road than contributing to any meaningful discussion.
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