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[Colin Yai]

nong38, on 2012-02-11 12:49:58, said:

Water has apparently been released from northern Dams in what seems an unregulated way. Water levels have risen here in Nakhon Sawan and there is flooding reported to the east and north of here. It seems like no lessons have been learnt and no plans are place for the forthcoming rainy season so its not a surprise then that dispite all the waffle and committees nothing has changed and the PM has realized the same.
To much talk and not enough do!

Maybe it would be a good idea to seek "outside advice" but oweing to the totally insane Thai Idea that to admit you could well be wrong and others may think better, means "loss of face" THIS IS HARDLY LIKELY TO HAPPEN ,better let business's go under and tens of thousands of homes and rural lifestyles ruined plus loss of life , than to admit you just ain't a clue

[siampolee]

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Due to Thailand's world class research and being a hub of agriculture development, they must have developed a new generation of trees that if planted will grow to maturity in 2 months. Plans are to plant them by Friday and the massive growth will be finished in 60 days in time to stop the flood waters

It seems as if there is a plan afoot  to distribute bags of fertiliser to the farming community thus the tree growth will be accelerated and tree maturity will be reached in 60 days as per the governments instructions.

See below an image of the  government supplied  growth nutrients that are currently being manufactured and packed ready for distribution  to the concerned growers.

Edited by siampolee, 2012-02-12 10:25:10.

[trainman34014]

New tourism ad's could soon read......' Visit Miracle Thailand and see Bangkok.. the Venice of Asia ' .

[z12]

siampolee, on 2012-02-12 10:24:13, said:

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Due to Thailand's world class research and being a hub of agriculture development, they must have developed a new generation of trees that if planted will grow to maturity in 2 months. Plans are to plant them by Friday and the massive growth will be finished in 60 days in time to stop the flood waters

It seems as if there is a plan afoot  to distribute bags of fertiliser to the farming community thus the tree growth will be accelerated and tree maturity will be reached in 60 days as per the governments instructions.

See below an image of the  government supplied  growth nutrients that are currently being manufactured and packed ready for distribution  to the concerned growers.

"The most dangerous animal in our World is our tongue."

That is what women say.

Edited by z12, 2012-02-12 11:40:53.

[siampolee]

The spoken word states and it does so without thinking. The written word is a consideration prior to publication.  

Now your point is ?

[moe666]

if you take highway 1263 into Chiang Mai from Mae Hong Song you will see why reforestation will not happen. The hill tribe people are dependant on the clear cutting of the forest to plant there crops. As one rides along on this highway there are huge areas of forest that have been clear cut. Many of these farms are Royal Projects established to eradicate the growth of poppies.

I guess if the choice is reforestation then back to poppie growing as more money can be earned for less destruction of land.

[jimbeam1]

Mosha, on 2012-02-12 08:00:01, said:

Erm didn't she already say last years floods would not happen again?

If she did she would be 100% correct?
jb1

[billd766]

hellodolly, on 2012-02-11 23:13:29, said:

geriatrickid, on 2012-02-11 22:45:03, said:

I am surprised no one has picked up on the following;
Reforestation will also be the government’s priority as there is now more than 10 million rai of deteriorated forest out of the existing 20 million rai of forest areas

When 50% of the natural containment and control mechanism is impaired, all the dams and retaining areas will not  work as efficiently and  as cost effectively as a restoration of the  natural methods. It is a telling point, and one that underlines why there is a problem. This flooding isn't about the PTP or Democrats per se, but is a reflection of the complete indifference to the illegal  developments, and other encroachments on Thailand's forests. Stop the rape of the land, enforce the laws and a big step will be taken towards controling  the flood exposure.
It all gets back to corruption, doesn't it? Isn't there anyone in Thailan that cares enough to speak up and to say no? Until someone takes a bit out of corruption, progress will not be made.

Got to agree with you on that issue GK.

I saw the figures and discredited them. 50% seem way to high a figure to me.
But it makes no difference they must put a stop to the deforestation and start regrowing forest's.
As well as competent water management they need competent urban growth management.

Whilst reforestation is a really good idea they need to plant trees with deep roots rather than shallow roots which spread just under the surface and when the first stong wind comes along the trees are blown over.

Another problem may be that due to deforestation the topsoil could have been washed away down the hillside and into the streams and rivers already over the years leaving precious little soil for the trees to grow in.

A third problem is they need to plant trees with little commercial value otherwise in a few years some other barsteward will come along and cut the new trees down and the dance will begin again.

For every tree you cut down replace it by 3 more.

[looping]

jimbeam1, on 2012-02-11 13:46:43, said:

Maybe they should just dig a big hole 10Km deep. That should do it.
jb1

...and jump in.

[Lite Beer]

PM to visit Uttaradit to observe water management at major dam.



Uttaradit, the twelfth Feb - The Prime Minister is Due to Visit Sirikit Dam on Monday to follow up on Progress in water Management and Flood Prevention plans for upstream areas.

The Lower Northern Province of Uttaradit is preparing to Welcome the Prime Minister and her Entourage. Nawin Sinthusa-ard, deputy Uttaradit governor, said about 200 plainclothes and uniformed police officers will be deployed to provide security to the prime minister during her visit tomorrow.



Ministers of Natural Resources and Environment, of Science and Technology and Agriculture and Cooperatives Will brief Ms Yingluck about Royally-Initiated Projects, Database Development, weather forecasting and the Dam's water Management protocols.
The Premier's trip to Uttaradit is Part of her UpCountry trip from February. 13-17 to visit many provinces from the upstream North to downstream areas affected by last year's flood. (MCOT online news).


-- TNA 2012-02-12

[Skywalker69]

hellodolly, on 2012-02-11 22:54:35, said:

BwindiBoy, on 2012-02-11 18:08:27, said:

Surely they have learned from last year and can avoid anything approaching the same scale reoccurring.

Incidentally, what happened to all the escaped crocs? Were they all caught? I only remember reading that 2 or 3 were caught...leaving around 100 out there still...breeding??

How about the green mambas

I heard that the Grren Mambas was a hoax.

[bigbamboo]

billd766, on 2012-02-12 13:21:28, said:

hellodolly, on 2012-02-11 23:13:29, said:

geriatrickid, on 2012-02-11 22:45:03, said:

I am surprised no one has picked up on the following;
Reforestation will also be the government’s priority as there is now more than 10 million rai of deteriorated forest out of the existing 20 million rai of forest areas

When 50% of the natural containment and control mechanism is impaired, all the dams and retaining areas will not  work as efficiently and  as cost effectively as a restoration of the  natural methods. It is a telling point, and one that underlines why there is a problem. This flooding isn't about the PTP or Democrats per se, but is a reflection of the complete indifference to the illegal  developments, and other encroachments on Thailand's forests. Stop the rape of the land, enforce the laws and a big step will be taken towards controling  the flood exposure.
It all gets back to corruption, doesn't it? Isn't there anyone in Thailan that cares enough to speak up and to say no? Until someone takes a bit out of corruption, progress will not be made.

Got to agree with you on that issue GK.

I saw the figures and discredited them. 50% seem way to high a figure to me.
But it makes no difference they must put a stop to the deforestation and start regrowing forest's.
As well as competent water management they need competent urban growth management.

Whilst reforestation is a really good idea they need to plant trees with deep roots rather than shallow roots which spread just under the surface and when the first stong wind comes along the trees are blown over.

Another problem may be that due to deforestation the topsoil could have been washed away down the hillside and into the streams and rivers already over the years leaving precious little soil for the trees to grow in.

A third problem is they need to plant trees with little commercial value otherwise in a few years some other barsteward will come along and cut the new trees down and the dance will begin again.

For every tree you cut down replace it by 3 more.

Geriatrickid is right to highlight the out of control illegal destruction of Thai forests but as also mentioned the solution isn't as simple as just re planting. It takes a long time to establish a forest and you don't just rebuild it overnight once the damage to the land has been done. But this is 'Miracle Thailand' now so let's all start praying to any of the gods for one and quick.

Edited by bigbamboo, 2012-02-12 17:25:32.

[Misterwhisper]

"...it will help locals in flood-prone areas to adapt themselves to a new lifestyle, for example, by introducing them to jobs in water-related fields."

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant!

'Hey, you people severley affected by flooding, why don't you just get yourselves jobs in water-related fields?'

[z12]

"about 200 plainclothes and uniformed police officers will be deployed to provide security to the prime minister during her visit tomorrow."

Interesting, the PM clone would need so much protection from the people that elected her with a so called mandate as some posters claim.

Edited by z12, 2012-02-12 20:57:08.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Ditch the motorcycle taxis... The future will be in water-taxis.... and upper floor housing units....

[billd766]

bigbamboo, on 2012-02-12 17:21:33, said:

billd766, on 2012-02-12 13:21:28, said:

hellodolly, on 2012-02-11 23:13:29, said:

geriatrickid, on 2012-02-11 22:45:03, said:

I am surprised no one has picked up on the following;
Reforestation will also be the government’s priority as there is now more than 10 million rai of deteriorated forest out of the existing 20 million rai of forest areas

When 50% of the natural containment and control mechanism is impaired, all the dams and retaining areas will not  work as efficiently and  as cost effectively as a restoration of the  natural methods. It is a telling point, and one that underlines why there is a problem. This flooding isn't about the PTP or Democrats per se, but is a reflection of the complete indifference to the illegal  developments, and other encroachments on Thailand's forests. Stop the rape of the land, enforce the laws and a big step will be taken towards controling  the flood exposure.
It all gets back to corruption, doesn't it? Isn't there anyone in Thailan that cares enough to speak up and to say no? Until someone takes a bit out of corruption, progress will not be made.

Got to agree with you on that issue GK.

I saw the figures and discredited them. 50% seem way to high a figure to me.
But it makes no difference they must put a stop to the deforestation and start regrowing forest's.
As well as competent water management they need competent urban growth management.

Whilst reforestation is a really good idea they need to plant trees with deep roots rather than shallow roots which spread just under the surface and when the first stong wind comes along the trees are blown over.

Another problem may be that due to deforestation the topsoil could have been washed away down the hillside and into the streams and rivers already over the years leaving precious little soil for the trees to grow in.

A third problem is they need to plant trees with little commercial value otherwise in a few years some other barsteward will come along and cut the new trees down and the dance will begin again.

For every tree you cut down replace it by 3 more.

Geriatrickid is right to highlight the out of control illegal destruction of Thai forests but as also mentioned the solution isn't as simple as just re planting. It takes a long time to establish a forest and you don't just rebuild it overnight once the damage to the land has been done. But this is 'Miracle Thailand' now so let's all start praying to any of the gods for one and quick.

I also agree with GK in that it ALL goes back to corruption over many decades.

The current estimate is that 30% of any budget will be lost to corruption or 120 billion baht from the governmets 350 billion baht flood relief will simply be STOLEN from the people.

For any amount of corruption there should be jail sentences ranging from 6 months for less than 50,000 baht cumulatively and simply double the jail time for every 50,000 baht.

For police and military the offences should be 3 times the normal rate and for politicians it should be 10 times.

At the 10,000,000 baht point simply execute the thieves WHATEVER their position in society.

After the first 50 or so the rest should get the message.