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Posted 2012-02-20 22:18:44
We have received this message from The Hon Consul at the Royal Thai Consulate Hull.
Dear News Editor
I would be obliged if you would post the following message from the Royal Thai Consulate, Hull UK regarding the Expat Forum Topic "Non Imm Visa When You Have Thai Child":-
"Message from the Royal Thai Consulate in Hull (UK).
Please note that it is no longer possible to obtain a non immigrant visa from the Royal Thai Embassy or from any of the Royal Thai Consulates in the UK on the basis that you are the father of a child living in Thailand even if you possess the child's birth certificate which shows you as the father. To be eligible to apply for this type of visa you must also be married to the mother of the child and have an official marriage certificate."
Can you also please inform your readers that they must never post their passport from Thailand to any other country for any reason because there will not be any evidence in their passport to show that they exited Thailand.
Thank you and kind regards
Alan P Taylor
Royal Thai Consulate
4 Priory Court
Posted 2012-02-20 23:02:33
"Can you also please inform your readers that they must never post their passport from Thailand to any other country for any reason because there will not be any evidence in their passport to show that they exited Thailand."
Poorly worded. I suspect they are talking about not sending a passport out to get a Thai Visa.
If they actually meant what they wrote, they are over stepping their job description.
There are other reasons that someone might send a passport out of the country.
Nice of them to pass on the info, though.
Posted 2012-02-20 23:19:35
This is really going to screw up many genuine situations, where the farther can and does look after the child due to the misfit mother doesn't want to or gone off with someone else.
Is this also saying that we don't expect you to support the child as you are not welcome ?
I can see many fathers taking their kids and living abroad.
Posted 2012-02-20 23:24:25
Yes like renewing the passport (gets sent to Hong Kong - comes back from UK). Whatabout mothers then? Or is this another sexist Thai immigration law? What about divorced men? Married at time of birth? Since birth? or have to be curently married?
Posted 2012-02-21 01:03:41
i am glad this is the last year we are spending here. My children wont grow up being racist [snip] pushing away paying guests
Edited by george, 2012-02-21 01:07:36.
Posted 2012-02-21 01:05:05
And it just gets harder and harder... What good will come of this? I suspect not much at all.
Posted 2012-02-21 01:06:05
Wonder what is next? Over the 7 years I have stayed in Thailand, I have only seen them tighten the visa rules and making it harder. Maybe the next step will be not to grandfather my current 3M investment visa.
Posted 2012-02-21 01:15:56
I must admit that this is a pretty poor policy. yes, many scam the system, and there are also some "stand up guys" who really care and do support their kids.
What governments miss, and not just Thailand, are common sense middle ground solutions. For example, having to bring the child / children to a center every 90 days for an interview. Real dads would not like it, but suffer through it. Scammers would just tire of the process and the money on top of money on top of money "moms" would charge to "rent" their kids.
Posted 2012-02-21 01:19:28
Many clued up Thai people who do any type of business refuse to get registered as married as it means two signatures for official docs and other nasty things like that which i can't remember at this time of night.
Me too. A genuine nuisance.
Edited by cheeryble, 2012-02-21 01:19:57.
Posted 2012-02-21 01:23:54
so what happens if my wife dies in a car accident on these shitty roads? i lose my kid too?
Posted 2012-02-21 01:27:17
i just re-read this is an embassy visa issuance rule. any confirmation from immigration in Thailand?
Posted 2012-02-21 01:32:06
I bet that this still doesn't stop any foreign father for going and get the court recognized letter stating that the foreigner is indeed the lawful father of the child. It has always been the case that fathers of children are not considered the legal parent just because their name is on the birth cert as there are no checks and the mother could have listed any name when registered. The law requires the parents be married or the father must petition the court for legal paperwork showing he is the father. Usually this will require a simple DNA test. The conditions are a bit easier if the child is over age 7. Of course this isn't the same for women and it's hardly a sexist thing but rather simple biology.
Edited by Jayman, 2012-02-21 01:34:14.
Posted 2012-02-21 01:32:48
Immigration has nothing to do with visa issuance abroad.
Posted 2012-02-21 01:33:27
Although embassies and - in particular - consulates tend to make their own rules, they are not allowed to do so. All Thai embassies and consulates have been instructed by the MFA that they must strictly and uniformly implement the laws, regulations etc. set out in BKK.
I know that few Thai embassies and consulates comply with that instruction - it's up to the officer - but it could be worthwhile applying for such a "father of a Thai child" visa elsewhere. Until recently, the Thai embassy in Vientiane issued them.
Edited by pointoffew, 2012-02-21 01:35:49.
Posted 2012-02-21 01:39:23
I'm sorry but I would take very little from this at all.
There is no mention of the code for the Non immigrant visa though we assume it's a Non-0 visa.
This is hardly a new rule anyway, if you arn't married to the mother of the child what right should you have to get the visa anyway.
Seems like the only reason why you got the email in the first place was because some guy knocked up a girl in Pattaya and thought it would be a good way to get a visa.
Oh and to those who think it's racist go back and ask your own consulate if this would fly in your country, it wouldn't. have a kid in america to an unwed mother good luck if you think you'll get a green card.
Posted 2012-02-21 01:39:33
Won't this rule make the entire concept of 'getting a visa on the basis of having a Thai child' completely redundant?
If you have to be married to get one, then you'd just as easily get a visa on that basis (being married) alone. Or have I missed something?
Edited by hanuman1, 2012-02-21 01:41:17.
Posted 2012-02-21 01:42:26
That is my understanding as well.
Posted 2012-02-21 01:50:18
I think this just makes the requirements to prove you are the father more in line with Thai law where as before they would just accept the childs birth cert. I could be wrong on this but this is how I'm reading it.
Posted 2012-02-21 01:53:42
Sounds like this is happening now. Either marry or goto court/provide DNA sample.
Posted 2012-02-21 01:54:16
Not true: the mother of a child with German nationality has the right to stay with the child in Germany, because it is the given right to a mother to take care of her child. Even not a language test is needed under this circumstances. When she wants to be with her child in Germany, she don't need to show money, give a proof of return, not need to be married to a German etc. And I can imagine, this is similar at other countries.
Posted 2012-02-21 01:58:09
We are talking about the father not the mother.
Posted 2012-02-21 02:04:07
Apparently you are not aware of the visa regulation this relates to. There was - and likely still is - a separate provision for unmarried fathers of Thai children. A Non-O indeed.