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[eek]

Just wondered what other women (any nationality) here think of western women. Of course thats a very broad spectrum, and there will be some sweeping generalisations, but leaving it fairly open.

For the most part in CM i would say my fellow farang ladies present themselves well. I have to admit i love seeing women (and men for that matter) taking pride in themselves. Even when dressed very casually or in gym gear or whatever, a womans posture and body language can say so much in how she feels about herself (big or small, tall or short).

The reason i was prompted somewhat to write this is that i noticed a farang woman the other day in her mid 30's and she had a very aggressive sort of stance (hunched back), attitude, and posture when asking about a cake in a shop. I remember thinking even though she was wearing fairly unflattering clothes, if she just straightened up a bit, and didnt look like she was ready to punch someone, she would look much more attractive. (Ironically, later with a friend, we saw her, and he said the other night she was out in a pub he was in, blind drunk and physically and verbally fighting others...but thats just an aside..) It doesnt affect my day or anything, nor do i wish to come across as superficial..its just the kind of thing i may notice occasionally, if really stands out.

The opposite end i suppose (for example) was today when i saw two very pretty young farang girls with bicycles..im pretty sure they were tourists. They were nearly causing traffic crashes because one girls top was a loose low vest singlet style top with low sides, which did not cover her at all. Her top was a see-through orange, and her bra was black, I noticed, because her bra was fully exposed...and she had a lot of boob. I realise its hot, but i think it was pretty full on for Chiang Mai (i realise thats ironic seeing as so many girls are in hot pants lol). The farang girl would have turned heads even if completely covered up. Very beautiful. But, i actually think showing quite so much took away from her beauty rather than adding to it.

God..im reading what i wrote and im sounding sort of off. Will probably get a lot of flack. I just mean that i really do love seeing fellow women take pride in themselves, and as a farang woman, i feel an affinity and pride when i see fellow farang girls taking pride in themselves. I guess that for me means appreciating who you are...enjoying your femininity...but also not needing to be too extreme in how much of your body you show.

For the record i dont always dress well! But, i do like to think i carry myself well, and that i do have some understanding of what may or may not be appropriate.

I dunno..what do you think ladies?  Await to be shot!!

[theblether]

Before the ladies shoot you eek...........your spot on.

Thai ladies are like meerkats when they see graceful farang ladies walking past,  and that lady you saw in the shop was lacking grace. It's nothing to do with beauty, it's grace and body language.

i will now retire from this topic in case I get shot too

[edwinclapham]

I dont like aggressive people - period -
Aggression in a woman is so unattractive.
There has to be said a lot for mystique in your dress, far more attractive.. not forgetting also you are insulting  the culture of your host country and on many occasions watching farang with  g strings, topless etc makes me especially ashamed.

[sbk]

No shooting but I have the same reaction when I see an aggressive farang guy too, I think singling out women simply because women should dress or behave a certain way is applying a double standard. Both sexes behave badly and/or dress badly

I recall the old farang guy who used to go into town in a t-shirt and a gstring. god only knows why he thought anyone would want to see that, same as a women showing too much too.

Its a pity people in general don't do a bit of research about whats acceptable where they are going but there you are, most people don't pack their brains when they go on holiday.

[phuturatica]

In Bangkok I think it is fairly obvious who is tourist and who is not when it comes to Farang ladies. I always smile when I see someone who looks like a professional lady living and working in Thailand.

Since living here I have adapted myself accordingly. Not completely changing who I am but definitely adjusting to the culture. I meet many tourist girls who look like they're dressed for the beach in the city of Bangkok and I've actually had a few ask me why Thai people give them dirty looks. Cue the conversation of "Well, you're in a city... Not by the beach and you're dressed like a sl*t in their eyes" Sometimes they've been offended but I think it's best to tell them and be honest.

But I completely agree with appreciating yourself and having pride in your appearance. It makes me feel good about myself. I was and still am quite a young lady who has moved over here and I don't want people to think that I'm just some backpacker tourist who extended their stay and never went home. It was actually a very deep thought out process and big decision for me and I am aiming to make something of myself career wise out here. I make a conscious effort to dress nice and professional and not look like a typical farang tourist female, also I am making a huge effort to speak Thai and get to know the locals in my area. At first they all thought I was some tourist but now they're starting to realise I am working here and a professional person so they respect me for it.

Also, the same does indeed go for men. I always cringe a little when I see a blatant tourist male being rude and offensive to Thai people and their culture. I have actually pulled a few of them up about it when I've been on nights out in touristy areas.

[F1fanatic]

Its hard to generalise about "farang women" in Thailand.

Most that I see dress 'sensibly' i.e. take care not to cause offense. (I'm excluding young, female tourists - some of whom think it is acceptable to be dressed in a bikini top and 'hot pants'). Although, thinking about it, for some reason we notice this more in the women than the men - who dress in nothing but 'beach' shorts.

Perhaps the woman you met was in a thoroughly bad mood for some reason? But I agree, the number of women both here and 'at home' who dress in unflattering clothes has always suprised me (although I'm a bit envious too of women who really don't care what other people think!). It would probably be a far nicer world if we didn't 'judge' others by their clothes - as long as they're not offensive.

[bangkokgabe]

Yes, women and men should look contextually appropriate for their environment in order to encourage better service, fewer stares, and a good rep for their country etc...... This is where I quibble with other posters; those people donning beachware in BKK DO think they are at the beach. BKK is a short stop on what is, otherwise, a predominantly 'beach' vacation. Most everyone on this site are long term residents; yes WE should dress appropriately to prpogate a better reputation as the sort of people that respect the opinon's of the residents of our host country.

[daftpunker]

i love farang women much more class then thai ladies.THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[canuckamuck]

Meeting people I prefer western women over western men, Not so many mental cases and much nicer on the eyes. I don't think that western women in Thailand are poorly representing themselves here, generally. Yeah some are snags, but most are interesting. And over here they don't wear the sweatpants and tube tops with the bellys hanging out.
I don't think it is fair to judge the tourists, They are interesting, dumb, or shocking and then they leave.

[Carry]

Don't get me started....here on the island [where there's lots of bars, with lots of Thai boys working] there's young girls [some as young as 18] hanging around these boys/bars, being the girlfriend.
Nothing wrong with that, it's just the attitude!!
I remember when I first came here,I was interested in meeting other people [not about looking for friends] and seeing how the community was build up. [maybe  this was naive of me]
So I made my friends a long time ago.

These days you get stared down by girls half my age who have an attitude like they own the island,  the sad thing I notice:
Some of them have a hard time, lots of fighting with the bf [nobody said it was easy] no money  and still posting on fb how amazing your life is in Paradise, just to keep this brave face for friends & family [I guess??]

To me this is such a pathetic new development...why would you wanna do that? Living in Thailand the word respect comes to mind...not that I lie away from it but whats with the enormous ego?!