Posted 2012-05-25 13:11:56
 mrbojangles, on 2012-05-25 12:59:56, said:
StevieH, on 2012-05-25 12:38:42, said:
mommysboy, on 2012-05-25 11:42:45, said:
StevieH, on 2012-05-25 08:25:12, said:
spot on that, exactly the attitude that has carried england so far in recent tournaments. sod ball retention, to hell with tactics, cry god for england, harry and st george and just bloody well go get 'em lads!
then when england are absolutely shattered after 55 minutes - the only major league that doesn't give players a winter break don't forget - they get traditionally picked off by teams that have spent the first hour keeping the ball and conserving their energy.
No that's going to the other extreme.
We're not a very good team, but team spirit goes a long way. And of course strategy and tactics play an important role.
I'd rather have what this bloke writes about than the cynical attitude you show regarding the national team, although you are not interested I understand, but why knock people who are?
i'm not knocking people who are mate, i'm just pointing out the truth about teams which aren't very good really. strategy and tactics are far, far more vital than team spirit.
england's players suffer in summer tournaments because a) they don't have a mid-season break, b] the summer weather in close season tournaments takes its toll on them physically and c) they're not very good at playing possession football to negate the effects of a) and b]. after an hour against germany in WC 2010 few england players could even run. that makes being tight-knit, compact and solid defensively - not over-stretching yourself by legging it about for the first hour - more important than ever. it's actually one of hodgson's strengths, playing within your limitations, and it could serve england well this tournament. certain fans might not like it but i reckon they'd prefer to win by being solid and pretty boring over chest-thumping, disorganised, passionate defeats.
Stevie, you make some good points but all-in-all, at the end of the day you are anti-England.
i'm not particularly 'anti-england', boj. i'm anti certain england players, anti FA and anti the ludicrous hype usually whipped up ahead of a tournament, sure. i'm also anti all the 'we invented the game so we should be good at it' nonsense you get parroted around tournaments by people who don't usually watch football. lots of england supporters don't seem to enjoy tournaments like other countries' fans do and i find that pretty interesting too.
i'll be happy to see gerrard, carroll and johnson do well though and have no axe to grind with joe hart, barry, milner, parker etc. downing can still feck off like.
Posted Yesterday, 02:04
StevieH, on 2012-05-25 12:38:42, said:
mommysboy, on 2012-05-25 11:42:45, said:
StevieH, on 2012-05-25 08:25:12, said:
spot on that, exactly the attitude that has carried england so far in recent tournaments. sod ball retention, to hell with tactics, cry god for england, harry and st george and just bloody well go get 'em lads!
then when england are absolutely shattered after 55 minutes - the only major league that doesn't give players a winter break don't forget - they get traditionally picked off by teams that have spent the first hour keeping the ball and conserving their energy.
No that's going to the other extreme.
We're not a very good team, but team spirit goes a long way. And of course strategy and tactics play an important role.
I'd rather have what this bloke writes about than the cynical attitude you show regarding the national team, although you are not interested I understand, but why knock people who are?
i'm not knocking people who are mate, i'm just pointing out the truth about teams which aren't very good really. strategy and tactics are far, far more vital than team spirit.
england's players suffer in summer tournaments because a) they don't have a mid-season break, b] the summer weather in close season tournaments takes its toll on them physically and c) they're not very good at playing possession football to negate the effects of a) and b]. after an hour against germany in WC 2010 few england players could even run. that makes being tight-knit, compact and solid defensively - not over-stretching yourself by legging it about for the first hour - more important than ever. it's actually one of hodgson's strengths, playing within your limitations, and it could serve england well this tournament. certain fans might not like it but i reckon they'd prefer to win by being solid and pretty boring over chest-thumping, disorganised, passionate defeats.
Yes, there's a lot of truth in what you write, and the example of Chelsea recently is a good template of how a lesser team can overcome a better team. And Bayern for that matter what happens when you are all huff and puff.
Posted Yesterday, 02:09
carmine, on 2012-05-25 12:33:14, said:
mommysboy, on 2012-05-25 11:42:45, said:
StevieH, on 2012-05-25 08:25:12, said:
spot on that, exactly the attitude that has carried england so far in recent tournaments. sod ball retention, to hell with tactics, cry god for england, harry and st george and just bloody well go get 'em lads!
then when england are absolutely shattered after 55 minutes - the only major league that doesn't give players a winter break don't forget - they get traditionally picked off by teams that have spent the first hour keeping the ball and conserving their energy.
No that's going to the other extreme.
We're not a very good team, but team spirit goes a long way. And of course strategy and tactics play an important role.
I'd rather have what this bloke writes about than the cynical attitude you show regarding the national team, although you are not interested I understand, but why knock people who are?
Its very cynical for sure but the sadest part is its absolutely true. No priority is given to the national team, the players are generally knackered after a far too long gruelling season, our technical ability is average, ball retention generally poor, and we will get picked off in the usual fashion.
The game against germany was a classic. We just ran out of steam chasing shadows and the longer the game went on the more vulnerable we became.
Ten minutes Fergie time and we wuld have conceded six, not four.
Sorry if you don't like my comments but i tell it as i see it
Stop whinging.....all the other teams players have played the same. 
Posted Yesterday, 08:47
smokie36, on Yesterday, 02:09 , said:
carmine, on 2012-05-25 12:33:14, said:
mommysboy, on 2012-05-25 11:42:45, said:
StevieH, on 2012-05-25 08:25:12, said:
spot on that, exactly the attitude that has carried england so far in recent tournaments. sod ball retention, to hell with tactics, cry god for england, harry and st george and just bloody well go get 'em lads!
then when england are absolutely shattered after 55 minutes - the only major league that doesn't give players a winter break don't forget - they get traditionally picked off by teams that have spent the first hour keeping the ball and conserving their energy.
No that's going to the other extreme.
We're not a very good team, but team spirit goes a long way. And of course strategy and tactics play an important role.
I'd rather have what this bloke writes about than the cynical attitude you show regarding the national team, although you are not interested I understand, but why knock people who are?
Its very cynical for sure but the sadest part is its absolutely true. No priority is given to the national team, the players are generally knackered after a far too long gruelling season, our technical ability is average, ball retention generally poor, and we will get picked off in the usual fashion.
The game against germany was a classic. We just ran out of steam chasing shadows and the longer the game went on the more vulnerable we became.
Ten minutes Fergie time and we wuld have conceded six, not four.
Sorry if you don't like my comments but i tell it as i see it
Stop whinging.....all the other teams players have played the same.
Who's whinging? One minute were delusional and the next were whinging. Make up your mind....i'm just being honest in my opinion and i don't rate us at all.
Why, do you want me to say were really good and we'll win it so you can shoot me downs in flames next month? No chance of that smokie! 
Posted Yesterday, 16:06
I will keep plugging away carmine....the flag wavers will be out in force....I will be crouched and waiting....
Oh no he's not going is he? 
Posted Today, 06:41
Wow that was boring last night and a real game for the old cliche of 'a wins a win'
Couldn't we be a bit more positive in a friendly? If Gerrard and parker played any deeper they'd be picking the ball up in our six yard box!
Why on earth is Downing starting?
Posted 48 minutes ago
carmine, on Today, 06:41 , said:
Wow that was boring last night and a real game for the old cliche of 'a wins a win'
Couldn't we be a bit more positive in a friendly? If Gerrard and parker played any deeper they'd be picking the ball up in our six yard box!
Why on earth is Downing starting?
I couldn't agree more.
I think pretty much the only comfort I can take from last night was that the Germans and Dutch lost. The Dutch result was particularly surprising.
It's of no concern to the Euros, but didn't the Scots do well too........ 
Posted 28 minutes ago
You will pay dearly for that one Lucifer old chap!
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