Posted 2012-05-25 13:11:56
 mrbojangles, on 2012-05-25 12:59:56, said:
StevieH, on 2012-05-25 12:38:42, said:
mommysboy, on 2012-05-25 11:42:45, said:
StevieH, on 2012-05-25 08:25:12, said:
spot on that, exactly the attitude that has carried england so far in recent tournaments. sod ball retention, to hell with tactics, cry god for england, harry and st george and just bloody well go get 'em lads!
then when england are absolutely shattered after 55 minutes - the only major league that doesn't give players a winter break don't forget - they get traditionally picked off by teams that have spent the first hour keeping the ball and conserving their energy.
No that's going to the other extreme.
We're not a very good team, but team spirit goes a long way. And of course strategy and tactics play an important role.
I'd rather have what this bloke writes about than the cynical attitude you show regarding the national team, although you are not interested I understand, but why knock people who are?
i'm not knocking people who are mate, i'm just pointing out the truth about teams which aren't very good really. strategy and tactics are far, far more vital than team spirit.
england's players suffer in summer tournaments because a) they don't have a mid-season break, b] the summer weather in close season tournaments takes its toll on them physically and c) they're not very good at playing possession football to negate the effects of a) and b]. after an hour against germany in WC 2010 few england players could even run. that makes being tight-knit, compact and solid defensively - not over-stretching yourself by legging it about for the first hour - more important than ever. it's actually one of hodgson's strengths, playing within your limitations, and it could serve england well this tournament. certain fans might not like it but i reckon they'd prefer to win by being solid and pretty boring over chest-thumping, disorganised, passionate defeats.
Stevie, you make some good points but all-in-all, at the end of the day you are anti-England.
i'm not particularly 'anti-england', boj. i'm anti certain england players, anti FA and anti the ludicrous hype usually whipped up ahead of a tournament, sure. i'm also anti all the 'we invented the game so we should be good at it' nonsense you get parroted around tournaments by people who don't usually watch football. lots of england supporters don't seem to enjoy tournaments like other countries' fans do and i find that pretty interesting too.
i'll be happy to see gerrard, carroll and johnson do well though and have no axe to grind with joe hart, barry, milner, parker etc. downing can still feck off like.
Posted 2012-05-26 02:04:05
StevieH, on 2012-05-25 12:38:42, said:
mommysboy, on 2012-05-25 11:42:45, said:
StevieH, on 2012-05-25 08:25:12, said:
spot on that, exactly the attitude that has carried england so far in recent tournaments. sod ball retention, to hell with tactics, cry god for england, harry and st george and just bloody well go get 'em lads!
then when england are absolutely shattered after 55 minutes - the only major league that doesn't give players a winter break don't forget - they get traditionally picked off by teams that have spent the first hour keeping the ball and conserving their energy.
No that's going to the other extreme.
We're not a very good team, but team spirit goes a long way. And of course strategy and tactics play an important role.
I'd rather have what this bloke writes about than the cynical attitude you show regarding the national team, although you are not interested I understand, but why knock people who are?
i'm not knocking people who are mate, i'm just pointing out the truth about teams which aren't very good really. strategy and tactics are far, far more vital than team spirit.
england's players suffer in summer tournaments because a) they don't have a mid-season break, b] the summer weather in close season tournaments takes its toll on them physically and c) they're not very good at playing possession football to negate the effects of a) and b]. after an hour against germany in WC 2010 few england players could even run. that makes being tight-knit, compact and solid defensively - not over-stretching yourself by legging it about for the first hour - more important than ever. it's actually one of hodgson's strengths, playing within your limitations, and it could serve england well this tournament. certain fans might not like it but i reckon they'd prefer to win by being solid and pretty boring over chest-thumping, disorganised, passionate defeats.
Yes, there's a lot of truth in what you write, and the example of Chelsea recently is a good template of how a lesser team can overcome a better team. And Bayern for that matter what happens when you are all huff and puff.
Posted 2012-05-26 02:09:46
carmine, on 2012-05-25 12:33:14, said:
mommysboy, on 2012-05-25 11:42:45, said:
StevieH, on 2012-05-25 08:25:12, said:
spot on that, exactly the attitude that has carried england so far in recent tournaments. sod ball retention, to hell with tactics, cry god for england, harry and st george and just bloody well go get 'em lads!
then when england are absolutely shattered after 55 minutes - the only major league that doesn't give players a winter break don't forget - they get traditionally picked off by teams that have spent the first hour keeping the ball and conserving their energy.
No that's going to the other extreme.
We're not a very good team, but team spirit goes a long way. And of course strategy and tactics play an important role.
I'd rather have what this bloke writes about than the cynical attitude you show regarding the national team, although you are not interested I understand, but why knock people who are?
Its very cynical for sure but the sadest part is its absolutely true. No priority is given to the national team, the players are generally knackered after a far too long gruelling season, our technical ability is average, ball retention generally poor, and we will get picked off in the usual fashion.
The game against germany was a classic. We just ran out of steam chasing shadows and the longer the game went on the more vulnerable we became.
Ten minutes Fergie time and we wuld have conceded six, not four.
Sorry if you don't like my comments but i tell it as i see it
Stop whinging.....all the other teams players have played the same. 
Posted 2012-05-26 08:47:13
smokie36, on 2012-05-26 02:09:46, said:
carmine, on 2012-05-25 12:33:14, said:
mommysboy, on 2012-05-25 11:42:45, said:
StevieH, on 2012-05-25 08:25:12, said:
spot on that, exactly the attitude that has carried england so far in recent tournaments. sod ball retention, to hell with tactics, cry god for england, harry and st george and just bloody well go get 'em lads!
then when england are absolutely shattered after 55 minutes - the only major league that doesn't give players a winter break don't forget - they get traditionally picked off by teams that have spent the first hour keeping the ball and conserving their energy.
No that's going to the other extreme.
We're not a very good team, but team spirit goes a long way. And of course strategy and tactics play an important role.
I'd rather have what this bloke writes about than the cynical attitude you show regarding the national team, although you are not interested I understand, but why knock people who are?
Its very cynical for sure but the sadest part is its absolutely true. No priority is given to the national team, the players are generally knackered after a far too long gruelling season, our technical ability is average, ball retention generally poor, and we will get picked off in the usual fashion.
The game against germany was a classic. We just ran out of steam chasing shadows and the longer the game went on the more vulnerable we became.
Ten minutes Fergie time and we wuld have conceded six, not four.
Sorry if you don't like my comments but i tell it as i see it
Stop whinging.....all the other teams players have played the same.
Who's whinging? One minute were delusional and the next were whinging. Make up your mind....i'm just being honest in my opinion and i don't rate us at all.
Why, do you want me to say were really good and we'll win it so you can shoot me downs in flames next month? No chance of that smokie! 
Posted 2012-05-26 16:06:41
I will keep plugging away carmine....the flag wavers will be out in force....I will be crouched and waiting....
Oh no he's not going is he? 
Posted Yesterday, 06:41
Wow that was boring last night and a real game for the old cliche of 'a wins a win'
Couldn't we be a bit more positive in a friendly? If Gerrard and parker played any deeper they'd be picking the ball up in our six yard box!
Why on earth is Downing starting?
Posted Yesterday, 10:18
carmine, on Yesterday, 06:41 , said:
Wow that was boring last night and a real game for the old cliche of 'a wins a win'
Couldn't we be a bit more positive in a friendly? If Gerrard and parker played any deeper they'd be picking the ball up in our six yard box!
Why on earth is Downing starting?
I couldn't agree more.
I think pretty much the only comfort I can take from last night was that the Germans and Dutch lost. The Dutch result was particularly surprising.
It's of no concern to the Euros, but didn't the Scots do well too........ 
Posted Yesterday, 10:38
You will pay dearly for that one Lucifer old chap!
Posted Yesterday, 11:13
smokie36, on Yesterday, 10:38 , said:
You will pay dearly for that one Lucifer old chap!
Very true though....atleast the Scots are providing the entertainmeny as per usual!!!!
Posted Yesterday, 11:58
As I understand it, if England do a Liverpool and lose both main keepers in a week then we will face Europe's finest with a shotstopper whos experience comprises 14 games or so experience in goal on loan to Cheltenham. Or did I just fall for a parody piece on BBC Sport?
Posted Yesterday, 12:13
SantiSuk, on Yesterday, 11:58 , said:
As I understand it, if England do a Liverpool and lose both main keepers in a week then we will face Europe's finest with a shotstopper whos experience comprises 14 games or so experience in goal on loan to Cheltenham.
Scary, isn't it..... 
Posted Yesterday, 14:36
mommysboy, on 2012-05-26 02:04:05, said:
StevieH, on 2012-05-25 12:38:42, said:
mommysboy, on 2012-05-25 11:42:45, said:
StevieH, on 2012-05-25 08:25:12, said:
spot on that, exactly the attitude that has carried england so far in recent tournaments. sod ball retention, to hell with tactics, cry god for england, harry and st george and just bloody well go get 'em lads!
then when england are absolutely shattered after 55 minutes - the only major league that doesn't give players a winter break don't forget - they get traditionally picked off by teams that have spent the first hour keeping the ball and conserving their energy.
No that's going to the other extreme.
We're not a very good team, but team spirit goes a long way. And of course strategy and tactics play an important role.
I'd rather have what this bloke writes about than the cynical attitude you show regarding the national team, although you are not interested I understand, but why knock people who are?
i'm not knocking people who are mate, i'm just pointing out the truth about teams which aren't very good really. strategy and tactics are far, far more vital than team spirit.
england's players suffer in summer tournaments because a) they don't have a mid-season break, b] the summer weather in close season tournaments takes its toll on them physically and c) they're not very good at playing possession football to negate the effects of a) and b]. after an hour against germany in WC 2010 few england players could even run. that makes being tight-knit, compact and solid defensively - not over-stretching yourself by legging it about for the first hour - more important than ever. it's actually one of hodgson's strengths, playing within your limitations, and it could serve england well this tournament. certain fans might not like it but i reckon they'd prefer to win by being solid and pretty boring over chest-thumping, disorganised, passionate defeats.
Yes, there's a lot of truth in what you write, and the example of Chelsea recently is a good template of how a lesser team can overcome a better team. And Bayern for that matter what happens when you are all huff and puff.
Err, yes after last night I take it all back, you are dead right. Talk about a load of rubbish, this team will do nothing. Is there any point in going?
Posted Yesterday, 14:47
Thought that Downing started the game brightly, carroll should have scored from his xcellent break and cross after 5ish mins, he faded in the second half, but hey wingers fade, it's almost a prerequisite,lol. But was a good run out for most of the second 11 got to keep them sharp, Feel a touch for young jones hope the fuc he can settle into one position next season, all this swapping around IMO,aint doing him any good. But all in all useful evening for roy hodgson, and thought he handled the press well.
Edited by rijit, Yesterday, 14:47 .
Posted Yesterday, 14:50
mommysboy, on Yesterday, 14:36 , said:
Err, yes after last night I take it all back, you are dead right. Talk about a load of rubbish, this team will do nothing. Is there any point in going?
I'm sure the team that will be first choice during the championship will look different to what was on the field last night.
Please don't interpret that as me saying we're going to take the tournament by storm, but I do believe there is more to come.
Posted Yesterday, 17:24
Well as a Norwegian I was hoping for a Norway win last night , but we just couldnt attack and get through the England defence.
We kept posession, especially in the 2nd half, and England lacked creativity so if we had played better we should at least managed a draw.
I cant see this England team do well in EURO , you need to improve a lot , what we saw last night was just not good enough.
Posted Yesterday, 19:02
spain have announced their squad for the euros:
casillas, reina, valdes
albiol, arbeloa, sergio ramos, pique, jordi alba, juanfran, javi martinez
buquets, xavi, iniesta, fabregas, xabi alonso, cazorla
silva, jesus navas, negredo, mata, torres, llorente, pedro
perhaps not as strong as past couple of tournaments and missing puyol and villa, but still take some beating.
Posted Yesterday, 20:48
Don't get me wrong, I don't think we will win the Euro's but let's not forget it was friendly and the first time we have beat Norway since 1980.
Posted Yesterday, 23:25
mrbojangles, on Yesterday, 20:48 , said:
Don't get me wrong, I don't think we will win the Euro's but let's not forget it was friendly and the first time we have beat Norway since 1980.
Its started already. 
Posted Yesterday, 23:45
smokie36, on Yesterday, 23:25 , said:
mrbojangles, on Yesterday, 20:48 , said:
Don't get me wrong, I don't think we will win the Euro's but let's not forget it was friendly and the first time we have beat Norway since 1980.
Its started already.
Do you wish you were in it Smokes. Even if it is an early plane journey home.
Posted Yesterday, 23:50
mrbojangles, on Yesterday, 23:45 , said:
smokie36, on Yesterday, 23:25 , said:
mrbojangles, on Yesterday, 20:48 , said:
Don't get me wrong, I don't think we will win the Euro's but let's not forget it was friendly and the first time we have beat Norway since 1980.
Its started already.
Do you wish you were in it Smokes. Even if it is an early plane journey home.
No mate. I have other plans. 
Posted Today, 00:40
mrbojangles, on Yesterday, 20:48 , said:
Don't get me wrong, I don't think we will win the Euro's but let's not forget it was friendly and the first time we have beat Norway since 1980.
Even if there were a few positives, and it was a friendly, and a second string team, there is no getting away from the fact that this was a completely unacceptable performance without energy or imagination.
There is a real danger this is going to be just like SA all over again. I see players are dropping like flies already. Others look so slow and bungling.
I don't know if anything can be done, perhaps stick smelling salts up their nostrils.
Posted Today, 07:09
mommysboy, on Today, 00:40 , said:
Even if there were a few positives, and it was a friendly, and a second string team, there is no getting away from the fact that this was a completely unacceptable performance without energy or imagination.
i should get used to it if i were you. that's the way roy hodgson teams play.
Posted 51 minutes ago
StevieH, on Today, 07:09 , said:
mommysboy, on Today, 00:40 , said:
Even if there were a few positives, and it was a friendly, and a second string team, there is no getting away from the fact that this was a completely unacceptable performance without energy or imagination.
i should get used to it if i were you. that's the way roy hodgson teams play.
I just hope there aren't too many sides playing that sort of football. Would love to see good attacking open footie at this Tournament!
Posted 5 minutes ago
smokie36, on 51 minutes ago, said:
StevieH, on Today, 07:09 , said:
mommysboy, on Today, 00:40 , said:
Even if there were a few positives, and it was a friendly, and a second string team, there is no getting away from the fact that this was a completely unacceptable performance without energy or imagination.
i should get used to it if i were you. that's the way roy hodgson teams play.
I just hope there aren't too many sides playing that sort of football. Would love to see good attacking open footie at this Tournament!
two hopes of that at this tournament imo smokie. in fact at almost any modern tournament really. look at how chelsea won this year's european cup. even spain at world cup 2010 were not great to watch and put not losing first.
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