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[jayboy]

yeeowww, on 2012-05-25 15:34:14, said:

As I said previously, you pompous "Armchair Quarterbacks" are clueless. I don't care what your "statistics" say me and 90% of fellow business people of many different forms are being choked to death as a direct result of this ongoing debacle. I can only assume that backpackers make up the bulk of your tourism "data". You throw around meaningless statistics, garnered from god knows where and try to tell me I'm wrong when it is a matter of fact that business sales

Simple test...
Go to the Chiang Mai Night Bazaar and start asking shop owners how things have been going this year & if they're "doing just fine".  Then try going up and down Loi Kroh and Thapae Roads & interview the shop owners and ask them if  they're "doing just fine".  Then, if you dare, venture into the old city and go down any street you like and ask the tour operators, massage parlors and restauranteurs how things are going. Stop into any hotel and ask them how their occupancies have been this year. Then do the same thing in Hua Hin, Sukhothai, Gawh Chang, etc... and come back and post your results. Until then, everything else you and the majority of other clowns who've been posting in response to my personal experiences is just second or third hand hearsay, speculation and meaningless gossip which I request you just keep to yourself.

You have simply ignored the official figures of tourist number arrivals and the impact of the increased numbers on the economy.You have not described the business you are in so it's not possible to comment on why it might be underperforming.However businesses fail in even the most dynamic economic environment, perhaps even a majority in the case of SME start ups.There are countless reasons why a business might underperform and other members have rightly pointed out the challenge from regional competition though I suspect the global recession is the more significant factor.However even these factors are more applicable to assembly operations and manafacturing.Tourism in Thailand is a genuine bright spot and as I have already pointed out very robust in the face of political disturbances such as coups, airport occupations and street protests.Indeed the Thai Hotels Association, with which I have had close contact for over 20 years, believes that Thailand's bumpy political landscape is effectively discounted by the world's travel industry.

I have no idea whether Chiangmai stall holders and massage parlours are feeling the pinch, nor frankly is it very relevant.THere are multiple potential issues to consider.You have absurdly seized on the Shinawatra factor as the only contributory cause of your own lack of success.Yet the ranting, angry and incoherent tone of your posts suggest you may lack the analytical ability to distinguish what the problem is let alone prioritise the contributory factors.If you were to describe your business, the problems it faces etc you would probably receive a more sympathetic and useful response.Instead you come over as slightly crazed and lacking in self awareness.

Edited by jayboy, Yesterday, 10:37 .

[Ricardo]

Buchholz, on 2012-05-25 21:12:12, said:

somtumlion, on 2012-05-25 20:39:52, said:

Back to the thread topic - how close did they get the to the 200,000 their leaders projected?

We've had reports of between 20,000 - 50,000.

The Red Shirts have for quite some time been pretty consistent with their obtaining around 10% of whatever they predict/proclaim/promise.

Of course, scoring 10% on a test is a very low F and a salesman meeting only 10% of his sales goals would certainly be fired.

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Perhaps the local-leaders should lobby the 'Big Boss' for an increase in their 'marketing' budget ?

[marstons]

siampolee, on 2012-05-19 11:26:34, said:

A picture is  worth a thousand words we are told. This particular image left me speechless,.

Do we now see the true face of the Red Shirt movement appearing led by a despotic character who resides outside of the Kingdom.



Graphic image courtesy of   http://www.facebook....35060922&type=1

The symbol has been apart of the Thai Buddism for 2000 years. i assume thats what your refereing to.

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Edited by marstons, Yesterday, 10:53 .

[Moruya]

Marstons, the Buddhist symbol is in the horizontal and vertical axis. Hitler used it at 45 degrees

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[tlansford]

Moruya, on Yesterday, 13:27 , said:

Marstons, the Buddhist symbol is in the horizontal and vertical axis. Hitler used it at 45 degrees

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and flipped it horizontally, too, but then so what? Marston's point is still the same...

[Moruya]

tlansford, on Yesterday, 13:30 , said:

Moruya, on Yesterday, 13:27 , said:

Marstons, the Buddhist symbol is in the horizontal and vertical axis. Hitler used it at 45 degrees

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and flipped it horizontally, too, but then so what? Marston's point is still the same...

The design on the T-Shirt is a Nazi Swastika. No room for wriggling.

[kerryk]

I am starting to really like this thread.  Would it be OK to talk about my wonderful Thai wife; the Red Shirt?  Who did not go to the rally because her Swastika t shirt was lost at the laundry in Pattaya?

[tlansford]

Moruya, on Yesterday, 13:45 , said:

tlansford, on Yesterday, 13:30 , said:

Moruya, on Yesterday, 13:27 , said:

Marstons, the Buddhist symbol is in the horizontal and vertical axis. Hitler used it at 45 degrees

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Thaivisa Connect App

and flipped it horizontally, too, but then so what? Marston's point is still the same...

The design on the T-Shirt is a Nazi Swastika. No room for wriggling.

and no need for wiggling.

Neither you nor I know what the person wearing it thinks. However, it is possible, I think you'll admit, that the wearer does not know about the Nazis. And if that is the case, what would the symbol look like to this person? It would look like a Buddhist symbol, of course - it's historic origin.

Let's not blame the Thai people for the sins of Hitler who "borrowed" an ancient symbol for his own use.

[rixalex]

tlansford, on Yesterday, 14:54 , said:

Let's not blame the Thai people for the sins of Hitler who "borrowed" an ancient symbol for his own use.

I blame people for ignorance, be they Thai or otherwise.

Reminds me of the craze a short while after the World Trade Centre attack of people wearing t-shirts with Osama Bin Laden's face. Perhaps that was more to do with insensitivity and stupidity though.

Edited by rixalex, Yesterday, 15:26 .

[Moruya]

tlansford, on Yesterday, 14:54 , said:

Moruya, on Yesterday, 13:45 , said:

tlansford, on Yesterday, 13:30 , said:

Moruya, on Yesterday, 13:27 , said:

Marstons, the Buddhist symbol is in the horizontal and vertical axis. Hitler used it at 45 degrees

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Thaivisa Connect App

and flipped it horizontally, too, but then so what? Marston's point is still the same...

The design on the T-Shirt is a Nazi Swastika. No room for wriggling.

and no need for wiggling.

Neither you nor I know what the person wearing it thinks. However, it is possible, I think you'll admit, that the wearer does not know about the Nazis. And if that is the case, what would the symbol look like to this person? It would look like a Buddhist symbol, of course - it's historic origin.

Let's not blame the Thai people for the sins of Hitler who "borrowed" an ancient symbol for his own use.

We were discussing the Swastika - not the person.

I am pretty sure she has no idea who the Nazis were.

I go to a restaurant every day where the gay waiter has a Swastika tattooed on his arm. I asked him why he did it - he said it looked nice. Not one of the staff knew what the symbol meant either in terms of ancient Buddhism or Hitler's mob.

I would bet a pound  to a penny that she bought the T-Shirt because it was red.

[gemini81]

tlansford, on Yesterday, 14:54 , said:

Moruya, on Yesterday, 13:45 , said:

tlansford, on Yesterday, 13:30 , said:

Moruya, on Yesterday, 13:27 , said:

Marstons, the Buddhist symbol is in the horizontal and vertical axis. Hitler used it at 45 degrees

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Thaivisa Connect App

and flipped it horizontally, too, but then so what? Marston's point is still the same...

The design on the T-Shirt is a Nazi Swastika. No room for wriggling.

and no need for wiggling.

Neither you nor I know what the person wearing it thinks. However, it is possible, I think you'll admit, that the wearer does not know about the Nazis. And if that is the case, what would the symbol look like to this person? It would look like a Buddhist symbol, of course - it's historic origin.

Let's not blame the Thai people for the sins of Hitler who "borrowed" an ancient symbol for his own use.

The person wearing it is clearly not a thinker to begin with. A picture is also worth a thousand words.

She and her commie friends ought to pay up for trashing the city the other year, looking at the no littering sign in the background. haha. (If the sign said no human trash, they'd all have to leave pronto!)

[nurofiend]

gemini81, on Yesterday, 20:26 , said:

The person wearing it is clearly not a thinker to begin with. A picture is also worth a thousand words.

She and her commie friends ought to pay up for trashing the city the other year, looking at the no littering sign in the background. haha. (If the sign said no human trash, they'd all have to leave pronto!)

can i get some tickets to your show, or do you give all your comedy gems away for free?

[bigbamboo]

jayboy, on Yesterday, 10:30 , said:

yeeowww, on 2012-05-25 15:34:14, said:

As I said previously, you pompous "Armchair Quarterbacks" are clueless. I don't care what your "statistics" say me and 90% of fellow business people of many different forms are being choked to death as a direct result of this ongoing debacle. I can only assume that backpackers make up the bulk of your tourism "data". You throw around meaningless statistics, garnered from god knows where and try to tell me I'm wrong when it is a matter of fact that business sales

Simple test...
Go to the Chiang Mai Night Bazaar and start asking shop owners how things have been going this year & if they're "doing just fine".  Then try going up and down Loi Kroh and Thapae Roads & interview the shop owners and ask them if  they're "doing just fine".  Then, if you dare, venture into the old city and go down any street you like and ask the tour operators, massage parlors and restauranteurs how things are going. Stop into any hotel and ask them how their occupancies have been this year. Then do the same thing in Hua Hin, Sukhothai, Gawh Chang, etc... and come back and post your results. Until then, everything else you and the majority of other clowns who've been posting in response to my personal experiences is just second or third hand hearsay, speculation and meaningless gossip which I request you just keep to yourself.

You have simply ignored the official figures of tourist number arrivals and the impact of the increased numbers on the economy.You have not described the business you are in so it's not possible to comment on why it might be underperforming.However businesses fail in even the most dynamic economic environment, perhaps even a majority in the case of SME start ups.There are countless reasons why a business might underperform and other members have rightly pointed out the challenge from regional competition though I suspect the global recession is the more significant factor.However even these factors are more applicable to assembly operations and manafacturing.Tourism in Thailand is a genuine bright spot and as I have already pointed out very robust in the face of political disturbances such as coups, airport occupations and street protests.Indeed the Thai Hotels Association, with which I have had close contact for over 20 years, believes that Thailand's bumpy political landscape is effectively discounted by the world's travel industry.

I have no idea whether Chiangmai stall holders and massage parlours are feeling the pinch, nor frankly is it very relevant.THere are multiple potential issues to consider.You have absurdly seized on the Shinawatra factor as the only contributory cause of your own lack of success.Yet the ranting, angry and incoherent tone of your posts suggest you may lack the analytical ability to distinguish what the problem is let alone prioritise the contributory factors.If you were to describe your business, the problems it faces etc you would probably receive a more sympathetic and useful response.Instead you come over as slightly crazed and lacking in self awareness.

If the government says tourist numbers are up and the travel business is booming then it must be true no matter how much evidence there may be to the contrary.

[kerryk]

bigbamboo, on Yesterday, 20:53 , said:

jayboy, on Yesterday, 10:30 , said:

yeeowww, on 2012-05-25 15:34:14, said:

As I said previously, you pompous "Armchair Quarterbacks" are clueless. I don't care what your "statistics" say me and 90% of fellow business people of many different forms are being choked to death as a direct result of this ongoing debacle. I can only assume that backpackers make up the bulk of your tourism "data". You throw around meaningless statistics, garnered from god knows where and try to tell me I'm wrong when it is a matter of fact that business sales

Simple test...
Go to the Chiang Mai Night Bazaar and start asking shop owners how things have been going this year & if they're "doing just fine".  Then try going up and down Loi Kroh and Thapae Roads & interview the shop owners and ask them if  they're "doing just fine".  Then, if you dare, venture into the old city and go down any street you like and ask the tour operators, massage parlors and restauranteurs how things are going. Stop into any hotel and ask them how their occupancies have been this year. Then do the same thing in Hua Hin, Sukhothai, Gawh Chang, etc... and come back and post your results. Until then, everything else you and the majority of other clowns who've been posting in response to my personal experiences is just second or third hand hearsay, speculation and meaningless gossip which I request you just keep to yourself.

You have simply ignored the official figures of tourist number arrivals and the impact of the increased numbers on the economy.You have not described the business you are in so it's not possible to comment on why it might be underperforming.However businesses fail in even the most dynamic economic environment, perhaps even a majority in the case of SME start ups.There are countless reasons why a business might underperform and other members have rightly pointed out the challenge from regional competition though I suspect the global recession is the more significant factor.However even these factors are more applicable to assembly operations and manafacturing.Tourism in Thailand is a genuine bright spot and as I have already pointed out very robust in the face of political disturbances such as coups, airport occupations and street protests.Indeed the Thai Hotels Association, with which I have had close contact for over 20 years, believes that Thailand's bumpy political landscape is effectively discounted by the world's travel industry.

I have no idea whether Chiangmai stall holders and massage parlours are feeling the pinch, nor frankly is it very relevant.THere are multiple potential issues to consider.You have absurdly seized on the Shinawatra factor as the only contributory cause of your own lack of success.Yet the ranting, angry and incoherent tone of your posts suggest you may lack the analytical ability to distinguish what the problem is let alone prioritise the contributory factors.If you were to describe your business, the problems it faces etc you would probably receive a more sympathetic and useful response.Instead you come over as slightly crazed and lacking in self awareness.

If the government says tourist numbers are up and the travel business is booming then it must be true no matter how much evidence there may be to the contrary.

I have not seen any evidence to the contrary.  One guy in Chiang Mai who knows a couple of vendors?  All the malls are packed every weekend with locals and tourists.  I guess you guys who don't live in Thailand can imagine and make yourself feel better but business is booming here.  Can't find enough help.  The Khmer who took my order tonight didn't speak Thai very well and got it wrong.  The owner apologized.  Can't find enough Thais to fill the service jobs.  Big I would suggest you are out of touch.

[gemini81]

nurofiend, on Yesterday, 20:30 , said:

gemini81, on Yesterday, 20:26 , said:

The person wearing it is clearly not a thinker to begin with. A picture is also worth a thousand words.

She and her commie friends ought to pay up for trashing the city the other year, looking at the no littering sign in the background. haha. (If the sign said no human trash, they'd all have to leave pronto!)

can i get some tickets to your show, or do you give all your comedy gems away for free?

The comedy is provided compliments of these low lives all on their own. Jatuporn, chalerm, yingluk, swastikas...you gotta laugh 'cause it is certainly a joke! 555

[Thaddeus]

kerryk, on Yesterday, 21:04 , said:

The Khmer who took my order tonight didn't speak Thai very well and got it wrong.  The owner apologized.  Can't find enough Thais to fill the service jobs.

There be a two edged sword.


Change find into afford.

Edited by Thaddeus, Today, 00:05 .

[mca]

rixalex, on Yesterday, 15:18 , said:

tlansford, on Yesterday, 14:54 , said:

Let's not blame the Thai people for the sins of Hitler who "borrowed" an ancient symbol for his own use.

I blame people for ignorance, be they Thai or otherwise.

Reminds me of the craze a short while after the World Trade Centre attack of people wearing t-shirts with Osama Bin Laden's face. Perhaps that was more to do with insensitivity and stupidity though.

I recall being absolutely gobsmacked after 9-11 to see a family walking down the street in KK and both the kids ( boys aged about 11 and 8 ) had matching t-shirts with a print of the twin towers on fire and the words "Bye Bye" printed across the bottom.

[rixalex]

mca, on Today, 03:35 , said:

rixalex, on Yesterday, 15:18 , said:

tlansford, on Yesterday, 14:54 , said:

Let's not blame the Thai people for the sins of Hitler who "borrowed" an ancient symbol for his own use.

I blame people for ignorance, be they Thai or otherwise.

Reminds me of the craze a short while after the World Trade Centre attack of people wearing t-shirts with Osama Bin Laden's face. Perhaps that was more to do with insensitivity and stupidity though.

I recall being absolutely gobsmacked after 9-11 to see a family walking down the street in KK and both the kids ( boys aged about 11 and 8 ) had matching t-shirts with a print of the twin towers on fire and the words "Bye Bye" printed across the bottom.

Beggar's belief , it really does. Can't think how they could possibly have trivialised the tragedy any more. What is going through their minds?!

[mca]

rixalex, on Today, 09:21 , said:

mca, on Today, 03:35 , said:

rixalex, on Yesterday, 15:18 , said:

tlansford, on Yesterday, 14:54 , said:

Let's not blame the Thai people for the sins of Hitler who "borrowed" an ancient symbol for his own use.

I blame people for ignorance, be they Thai or otherwise.

Reminds me of the craze a short while after the World Trade Centre attack of people wearing t-shirts with Osama Bin Laden's face. Perhaps that was more to do with insensitivity and stupidity though.

I recall being absolutely gobsmacked after 9-11 to see a family walking down the street in KK and both the kids ( boys aged about 11 and 8 ) had matching t-shirts with a print of the twin towers on fire and the words "Bye Bye" printed across the bottom.

Beggar's belief , it really does. Can't think how they could possibly have trivialised the tragedy any more. What is going through their minds?!

That's what confused me. That there wasn't the slightest 1% inkling in the parent's mind, not even a glimmer, that "Hang on minute. Is this really a good idea?"