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[robblok]

I am making a thread here about the concept 2 rower model D. I have heard reports that it costs 80.000 upwards here to buy in Thailand.

But because there is no importer in Thailand you can buy it straight from concept. Its all quite easy and straightforward. Terry the guy over there is a great help.

I have imported one myself it just arrived today, I will give as much information for others as possible and later in the post give some of the advantages of the rower over other forms of cardio that you can buy.

The concept rower costs 1050$ with ipv4 monitor. shipping is 310$ if you pick it up yourself or 420$ if they bring it at your door. If i did not already had asked a lot to the shipper and agreed to use him i would have gone for the door to door option. But that option only became available after that fact. Also its quite possible that fed ex will charge extra clearance costs as i have seen them do that with other shipments too (on top of the import duty and vat)

1050 + 310 = 1360 $ however the customs office said the rowers price was 1250$ not 1050 (invoice does not matter for them its a set price. Dont ask my why but my shipper (who is a mod here at the forum and who i trust) told me so. I paid 8642 bt for vat and import duties

it goes something like this

(1250 + 310) x 10% = 156
(1250 + 310 + 156 ) x 0,07 = 120
156 +120 = 276
276 * 31 (that is the rate they used) 8556 (so pretty close to what i paid)

I just put this here to give people information about cost, I also have to pay my shipper for clearing 4000-5000 bt.

so in total i got the rower for 54556 baht.

That is a great price for such a professional machine. It will help me a lot working out because its intensive and not as boring as riding my exercise spinning bike. For that amount of money you wont find a professional machine (eleptical or anything with gymroom quality)

I will have to learn how to row as there is some technique to it and i want the correct movement. The rower has as advantage that you can race against yourself and you will see boat that is you in a previous session. There are also millions of other things for the rower out on the concept forum. There you can learn how to get the most out of the rower.

One great thing about it is how easy it is stored. once your done you can put it away in 2 halved and store it vertical. That is great for my home gym or else i cant fit it all. I already have a well filled room with gym equipment. (power rack with olympic barbel, spinning bike, triceps dips / ab construct, adjustable bench, 3 sets of of dumbbells witch changeable weight, 250 kg of weight plates, and a triceps pull down / lat pull / pec deck machine that you see for sale with extra weights. I have been using all this stuff for years already and it kept me in shape. I inmagine the rower will help me a lot with keeping in general shape and loose the last bits of fat. (i might have gone to a gym if they were closer. But the closest pinkloa is at least half an hour or more away) its just too much for me as i train 4-5 days a week.

Maybe a little bit too much info but its mainly about the rower. I hope others benefit from this and start working out too. Its not only for fat loss its good for your health.

Edited by robblok, 2012-05-23 21:10:10.

[robblok]

I started working out on it slowly but i have noticed it will really work my back a lot. I can handle it just have to build it up and hope it wont interfere to much with my normal workouts.

I must say im impressed with the rower, but you really need a little bit of time to study it and watch instructional video's and read about it to work out on good intensity. Soon ill be making full use of it and using the heartrate monitor and memory card.

So far im not recording anything because im still trying out how it works. I had my first morning session today. It was only 20 minutes but quite intense, i was drenched. I like it and hope my will to do this in the morning will stay. Then at night i can do my normal workouts.

I am still loosing weight and think im getting closer. But like so many every time i loose some weight i see my goal is still far away.

[tropo]

I started out on the model B in the 80's and then moved to model C. Both of them had short straight handles and it was easy to get blisters if you rowed hard and long enough. The B model had a fixed angle foot board with no plastic slide to adjust and allow for foot movement. The D model is certainly a big improvement.

Did you have a good look at model E? It looks really slick.

[robblok]

Hi,

Yes i had a look at it they said it was more made for heavy people and people who have problems getting on rowers. But honestly i just did not want to spend the extra money.

I really love the rower, did an early morning session on it. Out of bed no food first, music on then on the rower for 5000 meter. Took me something like 24.09. Sweating like crazy.. and true to my word i cleaned it right after.

Yesterday i trained back and i rowed.. today i feel my back.. but it was not so bad that i could not row. I really hope i can keep this going. Motivation for cardio has always been my problem. But i do like the rower and breaking training up in 2 seperate workouts is good. But who knows i might row after my workout too. But on the other hand if i overdo it right from the start i might start to hate it.

[tropo]

robblok, on Today, 09:00 , said:

  5000 meter. Took me something like 24.09.

That's pretty good.

It works out to 207m per minute or average of 2:25 per 500m, or 1035m per 5 minutes, or 6210m per 30 minutes.

What was your average stroke rate?

Did you monitor your hear rate?

It would seem you rowed for a distance. I wouldn't recommend this because you'll go crazy always trying to  beat your previous times. I only row for a time. Sure, you can still match your meters and try to beat them, but rowing for a distance could turn every session into a time trial - that could be brutal.

Edited by tropo, Today, 11:31 .

[domomc]

Thanks alot, that is excellent info there you provided cheers. am very tempted to give it a go again. I rowed at national level a few moons ago and the technique we used was to keep the back slightly leant back but very rigid, strong and locked on the leg drive. Then once the legs are fully down lean back slightly more as you pull through with your arms.

Then at the end of the completed stroke reach forwards trying to keep you arms on a horizontal plane, lean forward ever so slightly but still keeping your back upright and strong before pulling up the legs, then when you get to the front of the stroke lift your hands slightly while driving down with the legs and again with the strong rigid back. Try to do it all as fluidly as possible and in continuos motion without jerking.

Maybe someone out there has a better or newer technique?

For anyone interested who may have a bad back and unable to do intensive rowing anymore (such as me...blew out my LV4-5 disc twice in 4 years which was work related but now unfortunately the rowing aggravates my lower back these days)...I bought one of those striding machines last year for 43,000B from my local SuperSports store to get in the cardio.

It's not as challenging or physical as the concept 2 rower but not a bad alternative for people with back probs. the strider model i have is a LiveStrong LS7.9E and 30 mins/ day gives an excellent cardio if you go to level 12 and try to keep above 80rpm's and go in reverse once in a while...works for me anyhows!

btw my old record for 2000m on the old concept2 was 7.03mins. i was trying like heck to break 7mins. can't imagine how folk can get below 6! think the world record is 5.30 odd.

[robblok]

tropo, on Today, 11:20 , said:

robblok, on Today, 09:00 , said:

  5000 meter. Took me something like 24.09.

That's pretty good.

It works out to 207m per minute or average of 2:25 per 500m, or 1035m per 5 minutes, or 6210m per 30 minutes.

What was your average stroke rate?

Did you monitor your hear rate?

It would seem you rowed for a distance. I wouldn't recommend this because you'll go crazy always trying to  beat your previous times. I only row for a time. Sure, you can still match your meters and try to beat them, but rowing for a distance could turn every session into a time trial - that could be brutal.

I workout in the morning.. before breakfast. So i wont be that strong. But yes i have to be careful that i wont end up trying to beat my time always. Same like with weightlifting. Its hard if your competitive.

[robblok]

domomc, on Today, 12:29 , said:

Thanks alot, that is excellent info there you provided cheers. am very tempted to give it a go again. I rowed at national level a few moons ago and the technique we used was to keep the back slightly leant back but very rigid, strong and locked on the leg drive. Then once the legs are fully down lean back slightly more as you pull through with your arms.

Then at the end of the completed stroke reach forwards trying to keep you arms on a horizontal plane, lean forward ever so slightly but still keeping your back upright and strong before pulling up the legs, then when you get to the front of the stroke lift your hands slightly while driving down with the legs and again with the strong rigid back. Try to do it all as fluidly as possible and in continuos motion without jerking.

Maybe someone out there has a better or newer technique?

For anyone interested who may have a bad back and unable to do intensive rowing anymore (such as me...blew out my LV4-5 disc twice in 4 years which was work related but now unfortunately the rowing aggravates my lower back these days)...I bought one of those striding machines last year for 43,000B from my local SuperSports store to get in the cardio.

It's not as challenging or physical as the concept 2 rower but not a bad alternative for people with back probs. the strider model i have is a LiveStrong LS7.9E and 30 mins/ day gives an excellent cardio if you go to level 12 and try to keep above 80rpm's and go in reverse once in a while...works for me anyhows!

btw my old record for 2000m on the old concept2 was 7.03mins. i was trying like heck to break 7mins. can't imagine how folk can get below 6! think the world record is 5.30 odd.

Thanks, i was trying to help people with those about importing because the concept was real expensive here. Now people have a ball park figure, and an idea how to go about it.

Those are impressive times indeed, for me its for cardio next to my bodybuilding.  Bodybuilding is the thing that has priority. But i do love the concept rower a lot and i am sure that i will improve on my times.

But its not the priority at this moment, i use it to get in shape and burn some calories. Its nice to try to get some cardiovascular exercise next to the lifting.

[tropo]

domomc, on Today, 12:29 , said:

btw my old record for 2000m on the old concept2 was 7.03mins. i was trying like heck to break 7mins. can't imagine how folk can get below 6! think the world record is 5.30 odd.

In relation to what I pull that's a very impressive figure. It relates to 1:45 per 500m average or 283m per minute or 1418m per 5 minutes. Pulling 1:45/500m is very intense.

I have never pulled flat out in a time trial. I use it either as a warmup for my weight session when I'll row for 10 - 20 minutes or for a 30 minute cardio session. As with Roblok, I use it in conjunction with my weight routine to promote the burning of fat. Any cardiovascular benefit is secondary and I don't have any interest in competing in a time trial as you were.

In relation to your figures above, I average between 1100m and 1183m per 5 minutes. That would relate to only 1656m in 7 minutes at my most intense, however I always row slowly for 5 minutes before I pull hard so that brings my averages down.

I am curious, when you went for your best 2000m times, what stroke rate did you maintain?...also, what dampener setting did you normally used.

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[domomc]

my stroke rate when i was doing just over the 7min mark was 31-33 for the main then upped to high 30's/ low 40's for the last 90sec's or as fast as i could go. I try to get as much power in each stroke as possible and it's the same when doing weights I try to control the speed-explode up and control down. I was pretty spent by the end of 2000m and probably not the cleverest way to get maximum benefit. I usually just went for it at the end of a training session but over the last few years i have just maintained a stroke rate around the 30 mark and try to maintain 2000m every 10mins for 30 mins. i just don't seem able to row without setting some goal that pushes me to my limit. i always have the setting at the upper maximum position...why i'm not sure but probably not the cleverest. Now i'm taking it pretty easy on the strider for 30 mins with a warm up and down then doing stretchers and light weights with plenty reps.