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[geriatrickid]

I originally thought that Thai science labs would be up to date and have equipment that one finds in the typical lab.
I also thought that one would receive an honest and professional response from the local police if one was appropriately dressed and behaved accordingly.

Boy,  was I wrong.  Corruption is far more woven into the  fabric of daily life than I ever expected. Corruption is a way of life for everyone in Thailand whether they want to  participate or not.

[Banzai99]

PattayaParent, on Yesterday, 22:26 , said:

I unlearnt that

Thailand is the Land of Smiles

Thais are really polite

Thais are very friendly

With 9000 + posts, I'm surprised you have any time to meet anyone other than a bunch of disgruntled cynics who may, or more liklely, may not live in Thailand.

I have been her full time for over 21 years, I find Thai people friendly , polite and very easy with a smile..

Are you polite, friendly and willing to smile, or are you like most Farangs, miserable?

[Hostile17]

every thai women i have met more than once that was not sleeping with farang men have had their former or current thai bf/husband cheating on therm/abandoning them.

Massage ladies/clerks/friends of friends etc etc.

In my country? All my life i have only heard of one person getting cheated on or abandoned.


Let's remove that one from the list please.

[skybluestu]

HardenedSoul, on Yesterday, 20:49 , said:

skybluestu, on Yesterday, 19:59 , said:

Most of my Thai female friends/colleagues have often admitted they think Thai guys are, overall, not that nice. They say it is normal for Thai guys to have affairs while in a relationship and to go out drinking most nights and domestic violence is fairly common too.

Of course Thais are racist! They are obsessed with skin colour, all Thai models and superstars are light-skinned regardless of whether they are actually beautiful or not. People are still employed here based on colour of skin, how is that not racist? Kids are often bullied if they have dark skin, not racist?

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Well most of your friends/colleagues are lying to you. Perhaps to make you feel better about something because, guess what, most Thai women end up with - wait for it - Thai men. Period

Their obsession with fair-skin has little to do with racism and almost everything to do with their idea of what is beautiful. I dunno about you but I've certainly seen dark-skinned Thais in high-ranking government and private sector posts.

Sorry but you should open your mind a little more

We've been here for a similar amount of time, what makes your opinion more 'right' than mine? I was replying to your initial post with my opinion based on what I've seen, heard and experienced myself, I don't need to open my mind any more. My time hasn't been spent in BKK, it has been up North so maybe that is why we have a different opinion or maybe it is you who needs to open your mind, your eyes too!

So every Thai girl/woman that told me Thai men are mai dee lied did they? For what purpose? That is their opinion based on what they have seen and experienced and comes from a wide range of females including successful businesswomen, university students, university professors & school teachers, single, married, divorced, unemployed, straight, Tom etc And of course most Thai women end up with Thai men as the vast majority of the male population are, guess what, Thai! I'm sure if I lived in Spain I would have a Spanish partner, if I lived in Japan I'd have a Japanese partner. Many (not all) of my Thai male friends/colleagues who have a steady girlfriend or wife have giks or a mia noi and those that don't wouldn't think twice about having a one-night-stand, sure this happens in every country but nothing like as much as here, it is pretty much condoned here and accepted as normal.

I know fair-skin is considered as beautiful here but that doesn't mean it is OK to employ someone based on the shade of their skin rather than their education, skills or ability. It doesn't mean it is OK for kids to bully their classmates who have dark skin. It doesn't mean a grandmother should say her beautiul 2yr old grandaughter isn't beautiful because she has dark skin, I've witnessed that twice in just the last few weeks in different families. Yes, there are some Thais who have dark skin that are in prominent positions but that doesn't mean that Thai sociey isn't racist because it is and, again, it is accepted as normal. There are very few countries where such blatant racism in everyday life and in places like schools, universities and a place of work would go unquestioned or unpunished.

[Headgame]

There is a very good rule of life that has served me well both here in TH and in every corner of the world that I've either lived or visited for any length of time - don't base your opinions on what people tell you but on how they behave. You'll quickly separate fact from fiction.

Corollary: Like all myths, there is always some basis in fact.

[aneliane]

skybluestu, on Today, 06:50 , said:

HardenedSoul, on Yesterday, 20:49 , said:

skybluestu, on Yesterday, 19:59 , said:

Most of my Thai female friends/colleagues have often admitted they think Thai guys are, overall, not that nice. They say it is normal for Thai guys to have affairs while in a relationship and to go out drinking most nights and domestic violence is fairly common too.

Of course Thais are racist! They are obsessed with skin colour, all Thai models and superstars are light-skinned regardless of whether they are actually beautiful or not. People are still employed here based on colour of skin, how is that not racist? Kids are often bullied if they have dark skin, not racist?

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Well most of your friends/colleagues are lying to you. Perhaps to make you feel better about something because, guess what, most Thai women end up with - wait for it - Thai men. Period

Their obsession with fair-skin has little to do with racism and almost everything to do with their idea of what is beautiful. I dunno about you but I've certainly seen dark-skinned Thais in high-ranking government and private sector posts.

Sorry but you should open your mind a little more

We've been here for a similar amount of time, what makes your opinion more 'right' than mine? I was replying to your initial post with my opinion based on what I've seen, heard and experienced myself, I don't need to open my mind any more. My time hasn't been spent in BKK, it has been up North so maybe that is why we have a different opinion or maybe it is you who needs to open your mind, your eyes too!

So every Thai girl/woman that told me Thai men are mai dee lied did they? For what purpose? That is their opinion based on what they have seen and experienced and comes from a wide range of females including successful businesswomen, university students, university professors & school teachers, single, married, divorced, unemployed, straight, Tom etc And of course most Thai women end up with Thai men as the vast majority of the male population are, guess what, Thai! I'm sure if I lived in Spain I would have a Spanish partner, if I lived in Japan I'd have a Japanese partner. Many (not all) of my Thai male friends/colleagues who have a steady girlfriend or wife have giks or a mia noi and those that don't wouldn't think twice about having a one-night-stand, sure this happens in every country but nothing like as much as here, it is pretty much condoned here and accepted as normal.

I know fair-skin is considered as beautiful here but that doesn't mean it is OK to employ someone based on the shade of their skin rather than their education, skills or ability. It doesn't mean it is OK for kids to bully their classmates who have dark skin. It doesn't mean a grandmother should say her beautiul 2yr old grandaughter isn't beautiful because she has dark skin, I've witnessed that twice in just the last few weeks in different families. Yes, there are some Thais who have dark skin that are in prominent positions but that doesn't mean that Thai sociey isn't racist because it is and, again, it is accepted as normal. There are very few countries where such blatant racism in everyday life and in places like schools, universities and a place of work would go unquestioned or unpunished.

Of course they are not racists, when the military officers make my student stand for 3 hours in the sun it must surely be because he's farang, that's only to give him a tan, so he look less farang right?

[farang000999]

The 'Thai men' are no good thing is a rumor perpetuated by bar girl types who are looking for a farang. It is basically true, but only in the context of their own experience. Most have been abandoned by a husband and the kids are up north with Granny. There may be good Thai men out there but they probably wouldn't be interested in a single mother. Also, any Thai male I have been around close enough has been unfaithful to his wife. This is a very paternal society and the whole 'Thai men' are no good is not soley a fairy tale cooked up for farang.

Edited by farang000999, Today, 07:37 .

[Ulysses G.]

skybluestu, on Today, 06:50 , said:

I know fair-skin is considered as beautiful here but that doesn't mean it is OK to employ someone based on the shade of their skin rather than their education, skills or ability. It doesn't mean it is OK for kids to bully their classmates who have dark skin. It doesn't mean a grandmother should say her beautiul 2yr old grandaughter isn't beautiful because she has dark skin, I've witnessed that twice in just the last few weeks in different families. Yes, there are some Thais who have dark skin that are in prominent positions but that doesn't mean that Thai sociey isn't racist because it is and, again, it is accepted as normal. There are very few countries where such blatant racism in everyday life and in places like schools, universities and a place of work would go unquestioned or unpunished.

Thinking that fair skin is more attractive than dark skin is not "racism". It may be rather silly, but fashion often is.

Edited by Ulysses G., Today, 07:40 .

[Rsquared]

Ulysses G., on Today, 07:39 , said:

skybluestu, on Today, 06:50 , said:

I know fair-skin is considered as beautiful here but that doesn't mean it is OK to employ someone based on the shade of their skin rather than their education, skills or ability. It doesn't mean it is OK for kids to bully their classmates who have dark skin. It doesn't mean a grandmother should say her beautiul 2yr old grandaughter isn't beautiful because she has dark skin, I've witnessed that twice in just the last few weeks in different families. Yes, there are some Thais who have dark skin that are in prominent positions but that doesn't mean that Thai sociey isn't racist because it is and, again, it is accepted as normal. There are very few countries where such blatant racism in everyday life and in places like schools, universities and a place of work would go unquestioned or unpunished.

Thinking that fair skin is more attractive than dark skin is not "racism". It may be rather silly, but fashion often is.

All you need to do is glance at some commercials.....

In Oz they have skin creams to give you that "all over tan" look....

here in LOS there are skin whitening creams.....go figure  

[poanoi]

farang000999, on Today, 07:34 , said:

The 'Thai men' are no good thing is a rumor perpetuated by bar girl types who are looking for a farang. It is basically true, but only in the context of their own experience. Most have been abandoned by a husband and the kids are up north with Granny. There may be good Thai men out there but they probably wouldn't be interested in a single mother. Also, any Thai male I have been around close enough has been unfaithful to his wife. This is a very paternal society and the whole 'Thai men' are no good is not soley a fairy tale cooked up for farang.

Yes that's true, but also every male falang i've been around here in Thailand is unfaithful to his rented wife/gf.
So perhaps the answer to this is in fact thai woman ?

Edited by poanoi, Today, 08:19 .

[skybluestu]

Ulysses G., on Today, 07:39 , said:

skybluestu, on Today, 06:50 , said:

I know fair-skin is considered as beautiful here but that doesn't mean it is OK to employ someone based on the shade of their skin rather than their education, skills or ability. It doesn't mean it is OK for kids to bully their classmates who have dark skin. It doesn't mean a grandmother should say her beautiul 2yr old grandaughter isn't beautiful because she has dark skin, I've witnessed that twice in just the last few weeks in different families. Yes, there are some Thais who have dark skin that are in prominent positions but that doesn't mean that Thai sociey isn't racist because it is and, again, it is accepted as normal. There are very few countries where such blatant racism in everyday life and in places like schools, universities and a place of work would go unquestioned or unpunished.

Thinking that fair skin is more attractive than dark skin is not "racism". It may be rather silly, but fashion often is.

No that in itself isn't racist but being prejudiced towards someone because they have dark skin is and that happens on a daily basis here.

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[skybluestu]

farang000999, on Today, 07:34 , said:

The 'Thai men' are no good thing is a rumor perpetuated by bar girl types who are looking for a farang. It is basically true, but only in the context of their own experience. Most have been abandoned by a husband and the kids are up north with Granny. There may be good Thai men out there but they probably wouldn't be interested in a single mother. Also, any Thai male I have been around close enough has been unfaithful to his wife. This is a very paternal society and the whole 'Thai men' are no good is not soley a fairy tale cooked up for farang.

When I've heard negative comments about Thai men they haven't come from bar girls. Nurse, Teacher, Professor, Bank worker, Student, Housewife to name just a few but no bar girls, sorry.
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[canuckamuck]

Women saying men are pigs! That must be a Thai thing, I have never heard that before...

Edited by canuckamuck, Today, 09:21 .

[bendix]

canuckamuck, on Today, 09:21 , said:

Women saying men are pigs! That must be a Thai thing, I have never heard that before...

The thing I've had to unlearn is that other foreigners love Thailand as much as I do, yet bizarrely decide to stick around growing more bitter, angry, resentful and superior without doing anything about it.

[cooked]

skybluestu, on Yesterday, 19:59 , said:

Of course Thais are racist! They are obsessed with skin colour, all Thai models and superstars are light-skinned regardless of whether they are actually beautiful or not. People are still employed here based on colour of skin, how is that not racist? Kids are often bullied if they have dark skin, not racist?

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As far as I was aware, having dark skin indicates that you work in a field and are therefore a f***ing peasant. Wearing a hat against the sun is also considered to be peasant behaviour which is why you see chicks crossing the road with their laptops perched on their heads. Strange thing is that perversely, you sometimes see ladies working in the fields with hats, which they then take off when they go to town. I had difficulty persuading my wife to wear a hat but she looks really cool with it, she now likes it.

[DrTuner]

Luckily when I first came here I knew FA, never had visited any internet forums nor read lonely planet. Got to make my own observations. I fully recommend the same to anyone planning their first trip.

[SimonD]

DrTuner, on Today, 12:30 , said:

Luckily when I first came here I knew FA, never had visited any internet forums nor read lonely planet. Got to make my own observations. I fully recommend the same to anyone planning their first trip.

Think you have contradicted yourself with the last sentence but agree with the sentiment.

I also came here on a whim without any preconceptions and learned as I went along. Nothing to unlearn as such. Good to keep an open mind.

[Trembly]

skybluestu, on Yesterday, 19:59 , said:

From my own personal experience I only agree with number 1 from the 3 things you have had to unlearn and even then only to a certain extent as many Thais do believe all farang are rich.

Most of my Thai female friends/colleagues have often admitted they think Thai guys are, overall, not that nice. They say it is normal for Thai guys to have affairs while in a relationship and to go out drinking most nights and domestic violence is fairly common too.

Of course Thais are racist! They are obsessed with skin colour, all Thai models and superstars are light-skinned regardless of whether they are actually beautiful or not. People are still employed here based on colour of skin, how is that not racist? Kids are often bullied if they have dark skin, not racist?

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What has racism got to do with the fact that some Thais have dark skin while other Thais happen to prefer white skin for socio-economic or genetic reasons?

I grew up in Thailand and I've never seen anybody being bullied for having dark skin. Ribbed, teased, made fun of like fat kids, skinny kids, kids with thick glasses, kids with weird teeth, kids that are unusually small, kids that are unusually big, kids with speech impediments, yes - but never bullied exclusively for being dark.

[Trembly]

Ulysses G., on Today, 07:39 , said:

skybluestu, on Today, 06:50 , said:

I know fair-skin is considered as beautiful here but that doesn't mean it is OK to employ someone based on the shade of their skin rather than their education, skills or ability. It doesn't mean it is OK for kids to bully their classmates who have dark skin. It doesn't mean a grandmother should say her beautiul 2yr old grandaughter isn't beautiful because she has dark skin, I've witnessed that twice in just the last few weeks in different families. Yes, there are some Thais who have dark skin that are in prominent positions but that doesn't mean that Thai sociey isn't racist because it is and, again, it is accepted as normal. There are very few countries where such blatant racism in everyday life and in places like schools, universities and a place of work would go unquestioned or unpunished.

Thinking that fair skin is more attractive than dark skin is not "racism". It may be rather silly, but fashion often is.

Not withstanding the inevitable common-reference-point adherents, it can also be a genuine attraction to genes that they want to make babies with.

[canuckamuck]

If they were pale they would want tans, human nature. The world of marketing makes sure we are unhappy in our own skin.

[eeeya]

Reading the Stickman website has damaged me.... dont know why anyone comes here after reading that website.

[LucidLucifer]

DrTuner, on Today, 12:30 , said:

Luckily when I first came here I knew FA, never had visited any internet forums nor read lonely planet. Got to make my own observations. I fully recommend the same to anyone planning their first trip.

Personally I think you'd be making a mistake not to do your research on a place before visiting, you'd be leaving yourself open to a whole myriad of pitfalls and problems.

My advice would be to do your research, but go with an open mind.

[farang000999]

Trembly, on 45 minutes ago, said:

skybluestu, on Yesterday, 19:59 , said:

From my own personal experience I only agree with number 1 from the 3 things you have had to unlearn and even then only to a certain extent as many Thais do believe all farang are rich.

Most of my Thai female friends/colleagues have often admitted they think Thai guys are, overall, not that nice. They say it is normal for Thai guys to have affairs while in a relationship and to go out drinking most nights and domestic violence is fairly common too.

Of course Thais are racist! They are obsessed with skin colour, all Thai models and superstars are light-skinned regardless of whether they are actually beautiful or not. People are still employed here based on colour of skin, how is that not racist? Kids are often bullied if they have dark skin, not racist?

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What has racism got to do with the fact that some Thais have dark skin while other Thais happen to prefer white skin for socio-economic or genetic reasons?

I grew up in Thailand and I've never seen anybody being bullied for having dark skin. Ribbed, teased, made fun of like fat kids, skinny kids, kids with thick glasses, kids with weird teeth, kids that are unusually small, kids that are unusually big, kids with speech impediments, yes - but never bullied exclusively for being dark.

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[skybluestu]

Trembly, on 45 minutes ago, said:

skybluestu, on Yesterday, 19:59 , said:

From my own personal experience I only agree with number 1 from the 3 things you have had to unlearn and even then only to a certain extent as many Thais do believe all farang are rich.

Most of my Thai female friends/colleagues have often admitted they think Thai guys are, overall, not that nice. They say it is normal for Thai guys to have affairs while in a relationship and to go out drinking most nights and domestic violence is fairly common too.

Of course Thais are racist! They are obsessed with skin colour, all Thai models and superstars are light-skinned regardless of whether they are actually beautiful or not. People are still employed here based on colour of skin, how is that not racist? Kids are often bullied if they have dark skin, not racist?

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What has racism got to do with the fact that some Thais have dark skin while other Thais happen to prefer white skin for socio-economic or genetic reasons?

I grew up in Thailand and I've never seen anybody being bullied for having dark skin. Ribbed, teased, made fun of like fat kids, skinny kids, kids with thick glasses, kids with weird teeth, kids that are unusually small, kids that are unusually big, kids with speech impediments, yes - but never bullied exclusively for being dark.

Sorry, you are right, there is no racism in Thai society whatsoever! There is a lot of prejudice towards people with dark skin from childhood right up to adulthood, people are often employed based on the lightness of their skin rather than their educational achievements, ability, personality, experience etc and people with dark skin aren't considered beautiful/handsome but none of that, plus a lot of other negative experiences people with dark skin have to put up with, means Thai people are racist. Now I understand, thank you.