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#26 BigJohnnyBKK

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Posted 2012-06-25 18:53:31

As a side note, at first I laughed when she said climate change is the most urgent/critical issue facing her leadership.

However from a big-picture POV she may well be right, the importance of whether or not big brother returns certainly is unimportant in comparison.

Link to a relevant recent article

Related TED talk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7ktYbVwr90&feature=player_embedded#!

Edited by BigJohnnyBKK, 2012-06-25 18:54:56.


#27 HardenedSoul

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Posted 2012-06-25 19:06:06


I didn't need to know the answers to realise she was winging it. Did you?


I disagree, I think the whole thing was pretty close to fully scripted.

Her mental struggling was in remembering her lines and doing the internal translation as she obviously doesn't think in English.

IMO


And, had I not previously seen interviews in which she answers questions in English with more fluency, I might agree with you.

As to her capabilities as a proxy for the ruling elite, I really just don't give enough of a toss about Thai politics to be able to comment with any authority.

#28 sirineou

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Posted 2012-06-25 19:11:05

Posted ImageHardenedSoul, on Today, 05:23 , said:The problem isn't her English; she has a decent enough vocabulary.
She understands the questions perfectly well; she just doesn't know the answers.

Posted Imagesirineou, on 28 minutes ago, said: Which questions did you think she did not know the answers to. and in your opinion what would you think would have being the correct answer?

HardenedSoul, , said: I didn't need to know the answers to realise she was winging it. Did you?


If she was " Winging it" then I think she did pretty good,
So I will ask the question again,
Which question did you think she was "Winging" and what in your opinion would have being a better answer?
and keep in mind that you , have a better command of the English language (we hope), already know the questions, and have time to think of answers, and have an edit button.

Ok. get set.... ready......
GO.

#29 PaullyW

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Posted 2012-06-25 19:31:20


Why is her English sooo bad?


It was probably a bit better when she was a studying for her advanced degrees in Kentucky, but since her return (been a while now?) I reckon she's been speaking 99.999% Thai and therefore her English skills have been slipping.

If you don't use it you lose it as my SOs keep telling me. . .


Johnny, do you ever find anything not to defend about Thailand? Common, brother. What about all the other millions of people who speak primarily their first language but who speak a second language, like English, far better than she can? And, these are people without "advanced" degrees attained in second languages...

Anyway, the criticism of her should only make minimal mention of her lack of ability in English (especially because of her "advanced" degree from some random state in the US).

There are plenty of other areas on which we can focus our criticism of her. Not least is her inability to think and reason clearly (in Thai or English). She's largely a dunce. Think Sara Palin, for those who may have followed the last US elections. Thais criticise her Thai speaking and her lack of ability in logic and reasoning all the time. How would you defend her to them? Or would you, seeing as how they are Thai? Would you rather just agree with them despite their argument being counter to your typical defense of anything and everything Thai? A conundrum no doubt.

Be real, man.

Edited by PaullyW, 2012-06-25 19:54:54.


#30 HardenedSoul

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Posted 2012-06-25 19:36:55



Posted ImageHardenedSoul, on Today, 05:23 , said:The problem isn't her English; she has a decent enough vocabulary.
She understands the questions perfectly well; she just doesn't know the answers.

Posted Imagesirineou, on 28 minutes ago, said: Which questions did you think she did not know the answers to. and in your opinion what would you think would have being the correct answer?

HardenedSoul, , said: I didn't need to know the answers to realise she was winging it. Did you?


If she was " Winging it" then I think she did pretty good,
So I will ask the question again,
Which question did you think she was "Winging" and what in your opinion would have being a better answer?
and keep in mind that you , have a better command of the English language (we hope), already know the questions, and have time to think of answers, and have an edit button.

Ok. get set.... ready......
GO.


Oi ! Stop being a <Snip!>.

I'm neither an expert on Thailand nor the solutions to the challenges it faces so I don't know the answers to those questions.

I do, however, know when someone else doesn't know the answer either and waffles their way through.

Oh and there's no need to doubt my grasp of the English language. It's somewhat superior to yours as evidenced by my knowledge of correct comma placement

Edited by metisdead, 2012-06-25 20:00:46.
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#31 sirineou

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Posted 2012-06-25 19:40:38

As a side note, at first I laughed when she said climate change is the most urgent/critical issue facing her leadership.

However from a big-picture POV she may well be right, the importance of whether or not big brother returns certainly is unimportant in comparison.

Link to a relevant recent article

Related TED talk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7ktYbVwr90&feature=player_embedded#!

Nice to see a fellow TEDster aboard. a very chilling assessment presented in this TED talk
Yingluck was correct to think that global warming is and will be the biggest challenge that she and those following her would have to face.
It is sad that she understands that at this point the best she can do is manage the situation,
but as they say on the airplane, :when the oxygen masks come down, place the mask over your face before attempting to help some one else"

#32 BigJohnnyBKK

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Posted 2012-06-25 19:42:55

Oh and there's no need to doubt my grasp of the English language. It's somewhat superior to yours as evidenced by my knowledge of correct comma placement


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Posted 2012-06-25 19:46:55




Posted ImageHardenedSoul, on Today, 05:23 , said:The problem isn't her English; she has a decent enough vocabulary.
She understands the questions perfectly well; she just doesn't know the answers.

Posted Imagesirineou, on 28 minutes ago, said: Which questions did you think she did not know the answers to. and in your opinion what would you think would have being the correct answer?

HardenedSoul, , said: I didn't need to know the answers to realise she was winging it. Did you?


If she was " Winging it" then I think she did pretty good,
So I will ask the question again,
Which question did you think she was "Winging" and what in your opinion would have being a better answer?
and keep in mind that you , have a better command of the English language (we hope), already know the questions, and have time to think of answers, and have an edit button.

Ok. get set.... ready......
GO.


Oi ! Stop being a <Snip!>.

I'm neither an expert on Thailand nor the solutions to the challenges it faces so I don't know the answers to those questions.

I do, however, know when someone else doesn't know the answer either and waffles their way through.

Oh and there's no need to doubt my grasp of the English language. It's somewhat superior to yours as evidenced by my knowledge of correct comma placement


correct coma placements, but not the fact that realize is spelled with a "Z" and not as "S" Posted Image
people who live in glass houses should not throw stones"

#34 BigJohnnyBKK

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Posted 2012-06-25 19:51:50

Johnny, do you ever find anything not to defend about Thailand?


No idea what you think I was "defending"; did I say her English is good? In fact I seem to be one of the few that think the whole thing was scripted, which is being more critical than most, not less.

But more to the point, I was simply answering the question, someone asked "Why it is her English so bad?" and I gave what I thought was a reasonable answer. It's true I hadn't thought of wealthy Thais bringing along proxy students to write their papers and pass their exams, of course entirely possible I don't know, personally I don't think Kentucky University would require such efforts but. . .

I also happen to think high-level English skills are completely irrelevant to being an effective politician in Thailand.

Please don't interpret that to mean I think Yingluck is one either.

Common, brother.


What's that supposed to mean?


What about all the other millions of people who speak primarily their first language but who speak a second language, like English, far better than she can? And, these are people without "advanced" degrees attained in second languages...


What about them?

Yes her English sucks, her degree's a joke and what? I don't think we're disagreeing about anything.

I just don't happen to think any of what we're agreeing about is relevant to anything I care about.

Doesn't mean I'm "defending" or "apologizing" for anything, stop putting words in my mouth.

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Posted 2012-06-25 19:54:37

correct coma placements, but not the fact that realize is spelled with a "Z" and not as "S" Posted Image
people who live in glass houses should not throw stones"


FYI love

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Posted 2012-06-25 19:56:05





Posted ImageHardenedSoul, on Today, 05:23 , said:The problem isn't her English; she has a decent enough vocabulary.
She understands the questions perfectly well; she just doesn't know the answers.

Posted Imagesirineou, on 28 minutes ago, said: Which questions did you think she did not know the answers to. and in your opinion what would you think would have being the correct answer?

HardenedSoul, , said: I didn't need to know the answers to realise she was winging it. Did you?


If she was " Winging it" then I think she did pretty good,
So I will ask the question again,
Which question did you think she was "Winging" and what in your opinion would have being a better answer?
and keep in mind that you , have a better command of the English language (we hope), already know the questions, and have time to think of answers, and have an edit button.

Ok. get set.... ready......
GO.


Oi ! Stop being a <deleted>.

I'm neither an expert on Thailand nor the solutions to the challenges it faces so I don't know the answers to those questions.

I do, however, know when someone else doesn't know the answer either and waffles their way through.

Oh and there's no need to doubt my grasp of the English language. It's somewhat superior to yours as evidenced by my knowledge of correct comma placement


correct coma placements, but not the fact that realize is spelled with a "Z" and not as "S" Posted Image
people who live in glass houses should not throw stones"


Really....go an have a look at a proper English dictionary...I think you will find the "Z" version is an Americanism...therefore not proper English.....dont we feel rather silly now ?...Posted Image

#37 kerryk

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Posted 2012-06-25 19:56:24



Why is her English sooo bad?


It was probably a bit better when she was a studying for her advanced degrees in Kentucky, but since her return (been a while now?) I reckon she's been speaking 99.999% Thai and therefore her English skills have been slipping.

If you don't use it you lose it as my SOs keep telling me. . .


Why do you think she spoke English while in the US? You don't honestly think she wrote her own papers or did her own homework, do you? If you do, then I would like to offer to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge for very favorable price.

There are many, many wealthy Thais that go overseas for their education and can barely speak or write English at all. They hire someone to do their work for them, and classes are specifically selected that can be engineered to generate a passing grade with minimal language skills. I'm not saying you are wrong that it didn't get worse since then. I don't know one way or the other. But it would be presumptuous to assume the current PM's English was ever any better than today.


I take it you have never been to college. Do you think the previous PM did what you are suggesting in the UK at what was that school he went to?

Do you have any evidence to support what you are saying? Lets say you are in court and the judge asks you to support your accusations of cheating, wrongdoing and being generally without ethics or you go to jail. I think that would be appropriate but what would you tell the judge? Do you have any proof? Do you have any facts? What you are suggesting is utter nonsense. I had enough money in college to do it. If it would have been easy I would have done it. But no luck. I had to take my classes myself and write my own blue books in class. A blue book is..... well if you were educated you would know.

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Posted 2012-06-25 19:57:21





Posted ImageHardenedSoul, on Today, 05:23 , said:The problem isn't her English; she has a decent enough vocabulary.
She understands the questions perfectly well; she just doesn't know the answers.

Posted Imagesirineou, on 28 minutes ago, said: Which questions did you think she did not know the answers to. and in your opinion what would you think would have being the correct answer?

HardenedSoul, , said: I didn't need to know the answers to realise she was winging it. Did you?


If she was " Winging it" then I think she did pretty good,
So I will ask the question again,
Which question did you think she was "Winging" and what in your opinion would have being a better answer?
and keep in mind that you , have a better command of the English language (we hope), already know the questions, and have time to think of answers, and have an edit button.

Ok. get set.... ready......
GO.


Oi ! Stop being a <Snip!>.

I'm neither an expert on Thailand nor the solutions to the challenges it faces so I don't know the answers to those questions.

I do, however, know when someone else doesn't know the answer either and waffles their way through.

Oh and there's no need to doubt my grasp of the English language. It's somewhat superior to yours as evidenced by my knowledge of correct comma placement


correct coma placements, but not the fact that realize is spelled with a "Z" and not as "S" Posted Image
people who live in glass houses should not throw stones"


Oh what a peasant!!

You're boxing way out of your division, chief.

I'll let someone with a little more patience explain the differences between American and British English to you.

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Posted 2012-06-25 19:58:20


Johnny, do you ever find anything not to defend about Thailand?


No idea what you think I was "defending"; did I say her English is good? In fact I seem to be one of the few that think the whole thing was scripted, which is being more critical than most, not less.

But more to the point, I was simply answering the question, someone asked "Why it is her English so bad?" and I gave what I thought was a reasonable answer. It's true I hadn't thought of wealthy Thais bringing along proxy students to write their papers and pass their exams, of course entirely possible I don't know, personally I don't think Kentucky University would require such efforts but. . .

I also happen to think high-level English skills are completely irrelevant to being an effective politician in Thailand.

Please don't interpret that to mean I think Yingluck is one either.

Common, brother.


What's that supposed to mean?


What about all the other millions of people who speak primarily their first language but who speak a second language, like English, far better than she can? And, these are people without "advanced" degrees attained in second languages...


What about them?

Yes her English sucks, her degree's a joke and what? I don't think we're disagreeing about anything.

I just don't happen to think any of what we're agreeing about is relevant to anything I care about.

Doesn't mean I'm "defending" or "apologizing" for anything, stop putting words in my mouth.


Well, I suppose you may have been guilty until proven innocent in this instance because of your reputation for defending the indefensible. I still think you meant to convey that her English would have likely been much better if she'd kept speaking it after her "advanced" degree (with the secondary assumption that her English was fantastic while on vacation in college in the US). Don't lie.

Edited by PaullyW, 2012-06-25 20:06:16.


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Posted 2012-06-25 20:02:09

Oh what a peasant!!

You're boxing way out of your division, chief.

I'll let someone with a little more patience explain the differences between American and British English to you.


Easy...Proper English speakers use the Oxford English....anything else is just not English old chap

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Posted 2012-06-25 20:02:18

In any case I personally think it's a shame that most Thai judge their fellow Thai people by their ability to speak English! Many highly educated Japanese or Europeans don't speak English because they refuse to!

Edited by ARISTIDE, 2012-06-25 20:03:25.


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Posted 2012-06-25 20:09:49

In any case I personally think it's a shame that most Thai judge their fellow Thai people by their ability to speak English! Many highly educated Japanese or Europeans don't speak English because they refuse to!


Ok...lets take English ability out the equation...Is dear Yingluck a competant Prime Minister ?, if she was allowed to do the interview in Thai, would she have clue about what she is talking about ?.....I think not....now ask her about the latest Burberry collection and i am sure you will find she will be very knowlegable on this subject....

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Posted 2012-06-25 20:10:45

Well, I suppose you may have been guilty until proven innocent in this instance because of your reputation for defending the indefensible. I still think you meant to convey that her English would have likely been much better if she'd kept speaking it after her "advanced" degree (with the secondary assumption that her English was fantastic while on vacation in college in the US). Don't lie.


You keep having fun attacking that straw man you've constructed.

Sure I assumed her English was much better while she was studying, and yes I assumed she was studying. Call me naive.

Perfectly happy to be enlightened otherwise. Never assumed it was ever fantastic, but likely it would have been better if she'd kept practising. But maybe not. I really don't care one way or the other, don't have a pony in this particular race and have no idea why you want so badly to take a side when you don't either - or do you?

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Posted 2012-06-25 20:11:39


Well, I suppose you may have been guilty until proven innocent in this instance because of your reputation for defending the indefensible. I still think you meant to convey that her English would have likely been much better if she'd kept speaking it after her "advanced" degree (with the secondary assumption that her English was fantastic while on vacation in college in the US). Don't lie.


You keep having fun attacking that straw man you've constructed.

Sure I assumed her English was much better while she was studying, and yes I assumed she was studying. Call me naive.

Perfectly happy to be enlightened otherwise. Never assumed it was ever fantastic, but likely it would have been better if she'd kept practising. But maybe not. I really don't care one way or the other, don't have a pony in this particular race and have no idea why you want so badly to take a side when you don't either - or do you?


I do have a pony in the race, yes.

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Posted 2012-06-25 20:12:05

My understanding is that the direction this thread is heading belongs over in News these days?

Pretty tiresome IMO, shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic would be more interesting.

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Posted 2012-06-25 20:13:02

Really....go an have a look at a proper English dictionary...I think you will find the "Z" version is an Americanism...therefore not proper English.....dont we feel rather silly now ?...Posted Image

No I don't feel silly at all.
if you spell realise with a "S" you will see spell check mark it as incorrect.
what is silly is not having any proper arguments to support your position, and attempting to divert attention from that fact, by criticizing some ones punctuation placement.

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Posted 2012-06-25 20:17:41


In any case I personally think it's a shame that most Thai judge their fellow Thai people by their ability to speak English! Many highly educated Japanese or Europeans don't speak English because they refuse to!


Ok...lets take English ability out the equation...Is dear Yingluck a competant Prime Minister ?, if she was allowed to do the interview in Thai, would she have clue about what she is talking about ?.....I think not....now ask her about the latest Burberry collection and i am sure you will find she will be very knowlegable on this subject....

Again the question remains
what, was in the interview , that, she, did, not ,know, what, she, was, talking, about,

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Posted 2012-06-25 20:22:13

if you spell realise with a "S" you will see spell check mark it as incorrect.


Only if your browser/word processor/operating system is set to Yankish English. With which I have no problem being septic myself.

I think any criticism of language details is ridiculous here as long as the meaning is clear.

Two wrongs don't make a right, especially if the second wrong is wrong in multiple senses.

Best to just ignore the petty personal pedantics and focus on the actual argument at hand.

Which in this case seems to be the climate change crisis am I write?

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Posted 2012-06-25 20:23:01

Really....go an have a look at a proper English dictionary...I think you will find the "Z" version is an Americanism...therefore not proper English.....dont we feel rather silly now ?...Posted Image

No I don't feel silly at all.
if you spell realise with a "S" you will see spell check mark it as incorrect.
what is silly is not having any proper arguments to support your position, and attempting to divert attention from that fact, by criticizing some ones punctuation placement.


and they would be because the dictionary you have loaded is an American dictionary me old fruit...not an English dictionary

I wasnt arguing with anyone...and who was diverting attention by criticising someones punctuation and spelling..me thinks that was you....BTW "criticising" has an "s" in it as well not a "Z"..before you try and correct me as well...Posted Image

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Posted 2012-06-25 20:23:40

what, was in the interview , that, she, did, not ,know, what, she, was, talking, about,


No. One. Cares.

Please realize that you can't force people to be rational. Haters gonna hate.

Personally I wish Hillary were as cute.





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