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[Lite Beer]

PM cites index to talk up anti-corruption record
The Nation on Sunday


People wearing black and red form the words

BANGKOK: -- Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra yesterday cited an index by private firm Political and Economic Risk Consultancy (PERC) that showed her government's rising efficiency in tackling corruption.

She said that since the government welcomed public complaints on corruption through different channels on July 18, PERC - a consulting firm specialising in business information and analysis for businesses in East and Southeast Asia - had raised her government's anti-corruption efficiency from 6.57 to 7.55.

She was speaking at a function entitled, "Stop Corruption: Mobilising the masses to fight corruption". Yingluck participated in the anti-corruption campaigns by writing a vow to stop corruption on a white wall and transforming pictures and letters by 500 young people.

The government has invited the public to file complaints about corruption through three venues: the 1206 hotline, www.stopcorruption.go.th and the Facebook pages of state agencies such as the Office of the Counter Corruption Commission, the Office of the Anti-Money Laundering Commission, the Department of Special Investigation and the Civil Service Commission.

Post boxes have been installed in various government agencies, bus stations and airports to accept corruption complaints.

The PM said Parliament was set to deliberate an anti-money laundering bill on the second and third readings.

Hotline 1206 has received 342 complaints from the public since it was opened last month.

The government has also assigned every state agency to come up with a proposal to help create transparency in its operations under a project called "One project and one department to prevent corruption".

About 220 proposals have been forwarded by 128 departments, 199 of which were accepted by experts. The remaining proposals, which are yet to be approved, must be improved and resubmitted within this month.

In a related development, the Civil Service Commission is amending its regulations to speed up corruption investigations to be completed within 120 days.

The agency is also drafting regulations requiring the blacklisting of state officials with tainted records, to prevent them from rising to executive posts. Those who are punished on charges of corruption would be banned from being reinstated as state officials.


-- The Nation 2012-08-19

[ratcatcher]

"The agency is also drafting regulations requiring the blacklisting of state officials with tainted records, to prevent them from rising to executive posts.
Those who are punished on charges of corruption would be banned from being reinstated as state officials."

Oops, do we have anybody left to run the country?

Do they pay people to utter these statements?

I guess ex P.M. Thaksin and a few others must be reconsidering their future now this has been announced.

[AleG]

Government by photo op.

[Bluespunk]

Just had a read of the PERC report on corruption in Asia. Does not mention Thailand specifically as fighting corruption or implementing anti corruption measures. Whole report is based on a survey of businessmen/women on their "perceptions" of how corrupt a country is. 16 countries surveyed and 100 businessmen/women surveyed in each country.

Edited by Bluespunk, 2012-08-19 09:06:29.

[Pseudolus]

This should be funny. So all current politicians and public servants will soon be unemployed. All of those replacing them will last a week. All those applying for these jobs for the first time will be sacked after paying their bribes to get the jobs. So basically there will be a government and civil service that will change every day. Problem is that after the first day, all the cops who can work on this will be sacked and those replacing them will be sacked as well. So no government, no cops, that leaves the Army who is jsut as bad as the cops although not as blatant. So the next issue is that all the army will be replaced on a daily basis. Therefore, putting all these functions together, like the other low skilled jobs in this country, they will then be taken up by Cambodians and Myanmar nationals. Things are looking up then. A nice country with no Thai's involved in it's running.

Reality - nothing will happen. Hottie Yingluck is trying to Bluff the yanks to try and stop them down grading the country further on the corruption scale and risk economic sanctions. Maybe Yingluck should give it up and marry an old Farang.

[Moruya]

"The agency is also drafting regulations requiring the blacklisting of state officials with tainted records, to prevent them from rising to executive posts.
Those who are punished on charges of corruption would be banned from being reinstated as state officials."

Oops, do we have anybody left to run the country?

Do they pay people to utter these statements?

I guess ex P.M. Thaksin and a few others must be reconsidering their future now this has been announced.

The only way to deal with them is to examine their assets and confiscate any that they are unable to prove were legally acquired, fire them and imprison them.

Anyone who thinks about breaking the law has to have something a lot more punitive than a block on career progression!

[Pseudolus]

Funny thing about the picture is that according to the recent poll amoungst Thai people, if there was an exclamation mark (!) on the end of it, on average, the people making up the dot of the ! would be those who did not approve of corruption.

If you look at the picture it is a very good illustration of the problem. The Rich elite who profit most, protected by a red ring (government, police and army) getting the populace to do and believe anything they want them too. Quite revealing also that none of those politicians are standing right at the front shouting "stop corruption".

[jaltsc]

"She said that since the government welcomed public complaints on corruption through different channels on July 18, PERC - a consulting firm specialising in business information and analysis for businesses in East and Southeast Asia - had raised her government's anti-corruption efficiency from 6.57 to 7.55."

Is she aware of the fact that 82.76498274% of statistics are made up on the spot?

[slapout]

Wonder how much taxpayer monies were used to set up the photo and take care of all those involved? The PM is spouting off on a corruption campaign for only one reason, she can say "trust me, be patient, as I have appointed committees and we are working on the preceived problem" We have another of her committees who has already said they can find no corruption, and several who tell us how difficult their work is, due to a lack of cooperation from the government sector they are tasked to investigate.

This woman has more excuses, feeling of self importance, and wiggle positions, than a out of date moma san, while personally, not contributing anything to the country, taxpayer welfare, nor society as a whole.

[OzMick]

I wonder how much she had to pay to get the anti-corruption figures rigged.

[WhizBang]

Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra yesterday cited an index by private firm Political and Economic Risk Consultancy (PERC) that showed her government's rising efficiency in tackling corruption.

I assume it means that she showed the government's efficiency at increasing corruption, not decreasing it.

[livingthedream]

I've bookmarked this page so I'll reserve comment til I see significant results.....or my computer components reach their half life... whichever is the sooner.

[Thrilla]

Here's a photo I took of the Government fighting corruption...

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Edited by Thrilla, 2012-08-19 10:55:12.

[dcutman]

Wow! How stupid is she? or the people that tell her what to say?
It is clear that she does not how this point system really works. The higher the # the more corrupt. So if your country/government went from 6.57 to 7.55 then your corruption has increased greatly.
For example Singapore 1.42 Indonesia 9.27

Edited by dcutman, 2012-08-19 10:55:17.

[jonclark]

Wow! How stupid is she? or the people that tell her what to say?
It is clear that she does not how this point system really works. The higher the # the more corrupt. So if your country/government went from 6.57 to 7.55 then your corruption has increased greatly.
For example Singapore 1.42 Indonesia 9.27

If what you say is correct then this is a huge loss of face for the PM as it clearly demonstrates she has neither read the report , or a summary of the report and is just a puppet with nominal intelligence. Oh dear. I just hope teh Thai language news doesn't pick up on this blooper.

Edited by jonclark, 2012-08-19 11:09:50.

[Orac]

Wow! How stupid is she? or the people that tell her what to say?
It is clear that she does not how this point system really works. The higher the # the more corrupt. So if your country/government went from 6.57 to 7.55 then your corruption has increased greatly.
For example Singapore 1.42 Indonesia 9.27

If what you say is correct then this is a huge loss of face for the PM as it clearly demonstrates she has neither read the report , or a summary of the report and is just a puppet with nominal intelligence. Oh dear. I just hope teh Thai language news doesn't pick up on this blooper.

Or it could be the usual poor reporting in The Nation.

To clarify the figures dcutman is right in saying that the higher the figure, the worse the corruption, however, the figure of 7.55 relates to 2011 and has been lowered to 6.57 in 2012 and gained a position in the asian table from 10th to 9th due to worsening corruption in S Korea which slipped from 9th to 11th.

More ddetails here http://www.ccac.org....link=120321.htm

[Pseudolus]

Here's a photo I took of the Government fighting corruption...

They're a little more sophisticated than you give them credit for

[dcutman]

Wow! How stupid is she? or the people that tell her what to say?
It is clear that she does not how this point system really works. The higher the # the more corrupt. So if your country/government went from 6.57 to 7.55 then your corruption has increased greatly.
For example Singapore 1.42 Indonesia 9.27

If what you say is correct then this is a huge loss of face for the PM as it clearly demonstrates she has neither read the report , or a summary of the report and is just a puppet with nominal intelligence. Oh dear. I just hope teh Thai language news doesn't pick up on this blooper.

Or it could be the usual poor reporting in The Nation.

To clarify the figures dcutman is right in saying that the higher the figure, the worse the corruption, however, the figure of 7.55 relates to 2011 and has been lowered to 6.57 in 2012 and gained a position in the asian table from 10th to 9th due to worsening corruption in S Korea which slipped from 9th to 11th.

More ddetails here http://www.ccac.org....link=120321.htm

You are correct on that. I thought I was on something good there, Your google searching skills are better than mine. I could only find other articles from different sources. To be fair to the Nation they are not the only one's with the poor reporting http://www.asianewsn...?id=35257&sec=1

[Moruya]

Here's a photo I took of the Government fighting corruption...

They're a little more sophisticated than you give them credit for

Why are all the men protecting their crown jewels like a free kick is about to be taken?

[jonclark]

Wow! How stupid is she? or the people that tell her what to say?
It is clear that she does not how this point system really works. The higher the # the more corrupt. So if your country/government went from 6.57 to 7.55 then your corruption has increased greatly.
For example Singapore 1.42 Indonesia 9.27

If what you say is correct then this is a huge loss of face for the PM as it clearly demonstrates she has neither read the report , or a summary of the report and is just a puppet with nominal intelligence. Oh dear. I just hope teh Thai language news doesn't pick up on this blooper.

Or it could be the usual poor reporting in The Nation.

To clarify the figures dcutman is right in saying that the higher the figure, the worse the corruption, however, the figure of 7.55 relates to 2011 and has been lowered to 6.57 in 2012 and gained a position in the asian table from 10th to 9th due to worsening corruption in S Korea which slipped from 9th to 11th.

More ddetails here http://www.ccac.org....link=120321.htm

Yes, I take back my comments on Yinglucks nominal intelligence and redirect then the the writers and editors of the Nation. Thus it should not read

"had raised her government's anti-corruption efficiency from 6.57 to 7.55."

but something more like

'had raised her governments anti corruption ranking from 10th place in 2011 with 7.55 points to 9th place in 2012 with 6.57 points'

Now the article makes more sense.

[rubl]

Comparing figures over time is difficult with changing sources and maybe criteria leading to the figures. That might mean that only the last few years could be compared up to a point. The last few years show:

2007 - 8.03
2008 - 8.00
2009 - 7.63
2010 - 7.60
2011 - 7.55
2012 - 6.57

Note that PERC uses an higher value to indicate more perceived corruption whereas for CPI it's the other way round. It seems in 2011 PERC has said "A grade greater than 7.0 indicates that a "serious" corruption problem exists"

BTW PERC website www.asiarisk.com seems unreachable at the moment

EDIT: correct 2011/2012 figures

Edited by rubl, 2012-08-19 11:44:53.

[Unkomoncents]

The Political and Economic Risk Consultancy's website is currently accessible using 3BB internet with a proxy server, as attempts to access the website without the proxy have failed, suspiciously. dcutman is right. The higher the number, the more corrupt the country.

EDIT: Others have resolved the discrepancy. The Nation is to blame for poor reporting.

Nevertheless, the figures are not at all reassuring for Thailand and the fact that the www.asiarisk.com site is unavailable without a proxy is indicative possible interference from Thai web censors.

EDIT: Thanks Orac. Didn't catch that, stupidly enough.

Thailand is ranked 11th out of 16 countries. That's much better than in 2009.

http://articles.econ...ikileaks-report

Edited by Unkomoncents, 2012-08-19 12:03:44.

[Orac]

Comparing figures over time is difficult with changing sources and maybe criteria leading to the figures. That might mean that only the last few years could be compared up to a point. The last few years show:

2007 - 8.03
2008 - 8.00
2009 - 7.63
2010 - 7.60
2011 - 6.57
2012 - 7.55

Note that PERC uses an higher value to indicate more perceived corruption whereas for CPI it's the other way round. It seems in 2011 PERC has said "A grade greater than 7.0 indicates that a "serious" corruption problem exists"

BTW PERC website www.asiarisk.com seems unreachable at the moment

I was also struggling to reach the PERC sight however the table in the link I quoted above states that the 2011 figure is 7.55 and 2012 is 6.57 which, using the 7.0 indicator you have also quoted as the line differentiating "serious" corruption suggests that the previous government suffered from "serious" corruption problems but the Yingluck government does not.

[Orac]

The Political and Economic Risk Consultancy's website is currently accessible using 3BB internet with a proxy server, as attempts to access the website without the proxy have failed, suspiciously. dcutman is right. The higher the number, the more corrupt the country. Right now, PERC's study puts Thailand as the second most corrupt of the sixteen countries ranked:

http://www.asiaone.c...08-134144.html/

It seems possible that access to PERC website is denied because someone wants this story to blow over before the usual suspects (such as myself) can rip it to shreds.

Nice figures there from April 2009

[473geo]

Comparing figures over time is difficult with changing sources and maybe criteria leading to the figures. That might mean that only the last few years could be compared up to a point. The last few years show:

2007 - 8.03
2008 - 8.00
2009 - 7.63
2010 - 7.60
2011 - 7.55
2012 - 6.57

Note that PERC uses an higher value to indicate more perceived corruption whereas for CPI it's the other way round. It seems in 2011 PERC has said "A grade greater than 7.0 indicates that a "serious" corruption problem exists"

BTW PERC website www.asiarisk.com seems unreachable at the moment

EDIT: correct 2011/2012 figures

Well Done Yingluck and the team for increasing awareness in the public domain. Progress in reducing corruption and increasing the penalties can only enhance the reputation of Thailand

People making nasty erroneous comments based on news reports can only confirm the disappointing depth of analysis offered by the anti government Tvisa team