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Posted 2012-09-02 20:36:25
Posted 2012-09-02 20:38:14
A multinational conglomerate technology company lying to people? I am shocked.
Posted 2012-09-02 20:42:52
It Is Time To Boycott Apple
http://market-ticker...www?post=210968
In response we should ban Apple and tell them that they're welcome to play their games with offshoring and abuse of the patent system somewhere else -- but not here in the United States.
Posted 2012-09-02 20:44:25
It Is Time To Boycott Apple
http://market-ticker...www?post=210968
In response we should ban Apple and tell them that they're welcome to play their games with offshoring and abuse of the patent system somewhere else -- but not here in the United States.
-quote from the link
Posted 2012-09-02 21:51:56
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I just can't wait to buy the next iMac2012, ( hopefully within a month) sorry. My existing one is 5 years old, still going strong but not up to coping with modern NLE editing programmes. I just love how Macs 'just work' You boycott them if you like,
Posted 2012-09-02 22:09:00
I just can't wait to buy the next iMac2012, ( hopefully within a month) sorry. My existing one is 5 years old, still going strong but not up to coping with modern NLE editing programmes. I just love how Macs 'just work' You boycott them if you like,
+1 Regards
Posted 2012-09-02 22:09:36
I guess the issue comes down to who pattented the design and name first. If LG didn't, big mistake.
The LG tablet apparently didn't go to market, even in South Korea, so it appears it was a design study.
When the iPad came out, it was panned by a lot of people, but Apple stuck with it. Now it is the standard which other tablets are measured.
Posted 2012-09-02 22:49:26
I guess the issue comes down to who pattented the design and name first. If LG didn't, big mistake.
The LG tablet apparently didn't go to market, even in South Korea, so it appears it was a design study.
When the iPad came out, it was panned by a lot of people, but Apple stuck with it. Now it is the standard which other tablets are measured.
There are two things - the first is that the US patent system is (at least at present) based on "first to invent" rather than first to file. The other is that one of the fundamental requirements for getting a patent is novelty - so demonstrating that the idea you have patented existed before you claim to have invented it is grounds for getting the patent invalidated. The larger issue is that the US patent system is horribly broken - a great example of this that that Research in Motion were forced to pay $600m for "infringing" a patent at a point in time where the USPTO had already stated they were going to invalidate it on the basis of prior art. The idea that a patent should be "non-obvious" also appears to have been lost somewhere along the way.
Posted 2012-09-02 23:20:37
I just can't wait to buy the next iMac2012, ( hopefully within a month) sorry. My existing one is 5 years old, still going strong but not up to coping with modern NLE editing programmes. I just love how Macs 'just work' You boycott them if you like,
+1
Regards
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JanKlaasen
Posted 2012-09-02 23:24:04
I just can't wait to buy the next iMac2012, ( hopefully within a month) sorry. My existing one is 5 years old, still going strong but not up to coping with modern NLE editing programmes. I just love how Macs 'just work' You boycott them if you like,
+1
Regards
I'm sure you both also like the tax man.
Posted 2012-09-02 23:55:14
I guess the issue comes down to who pattented the design and name first. If LG didn't, big mistake.
The LG tablet apparently didn't go to market, even in South Korea, so it appears it was a design study.
When the iPad came out, it was panned by a lot of people, but Apple stuck with it. Now it is the standard which other tablets are measured.
There are two things - the first is that the US patent system is (at least at present) based on "first to invent" rather than first to file. The other is that one of the fundamental requirements for getting a patent is novelty - so demonstrating that the idea you have patented existed before you claim to have invented it is grounds for getting the patent invalidated.
The larger issue is that the US patent system is horribly broken - a great example of this that that Research in Motion were forced to pay $600m for "infringing" a patent at a point in time where the USPTO had already stated they were going to invalidate it on the basis of prior art. The idea that a patent should be "non-obvious" also appears to have been lost somewhere along the way.
Sorry, not quite right, from the USPTO.gov: If the inventor describes the invention in a printed publication or uses the invention publicly, or places it on sale, he/she must apply for a patent before one year has gone by, otherwise any right to a patent will be lost. The inventor must file on the date of public use or disclosure, however, in order to preserve patent rights in many foreign countries. So if LG didn't patent it, they lose. There is the case of the guy who patented the wheel, he holds the patent, but since the wheel is in the public domain, there isn't any claim to "license" it's use. Yes, I'll agree, the USPTO is broken, just like many of the overbloated government agencies around the world.
Posted 2012-09-03 02:04:51
I just can't wait to buy the next iMac2012, ( hopefully within a month) sorry. My existing one is 5 years old, still going strong but not up to coping with modern NLE editing programmes. I just love how Macs 'just work' You boycott them if you like,
Is that why apple support is not a free included service with your purchase? Because the products "just work"? If I had a nickle for every time an Apple user has asked me for support help on their device...... I might be able to buy a share of APPL.
Posted 2012-09-03 07:05:22
Is that why apple support is not a free included service with your purchase? Because the products "just work"?
If I had a nickle for every time an Apple user has asked me for support help on their device...... I might be able to buy a share of APPL.
I believe you are mistaken on this point. Apple offers an additional extended AppleCare support. Extended meaning it extends beyond what comes with their products which is typically 1 year. I own a macbook currently and have had other Apple devices over the years as well as other PCs and android devices. I have had problems with all of them. None are without their flaws. I say whatever works for you, use it. I think some of the claims Apple are making are perhaps a tad ridiculous but I think it's undeniable that smartphones in both function and design took a rapid change of course after the iPhone was in users' hands. And yes, many look very very similar to the iPhone. Whether patents were broken, I'll leave that for the legal teams to wrangle over. I can hardly fault them for trying to protect their interests. As for the whole Apple stole from Xerox thing that is repeated time and time again...mostly fabrication. Xerox was financially compensated for the use of the things Apple supposedly stole, not in some lawsuit after the fact, but in an arrangement reached before Apple produced them for public sale.
Posted 2012-09-03 07:35:20
I just can't wait to buy the next iMac2012, ( hopefully within a month) sorry. My existing one is 5 years old, still going strong but not up to coping with modern NLE editing programmes. I just love how Macs 'just work' You boycott them if you like,
+1
Regards
I'm sure you both also like the tax man.
Can't understand the connection, sorry I must be thick
Posted 2012-09-03 07:37:03
I just can't wait to buy the next iMac2012, ( hopefully within a month) sorry. My existing one is 5 years old, still going strong but not up to coping with modern NLE editing programmes. I just love how Macs 'just work' You boycott them if you like,
Is that why apple support is not a free included service with your purchase? Because the products "just work"?
If I had a nickle for every time an Apple user has asked me for support help on their device...... I might be able to buy a share of APPL.
But it is for 90 days. And yes 'they just work'. Over 5 years far fewer problems on the mac than with my wife's PCs. ( Just guessing but if you had had a nickel for every time someone asked you for help with a PC maybe you would be up with Warren Buffet now?)
Edited by msg362, 2012-09-03 07:38:47.
Posted 2012-09-03 08:08:55
( Just guessing but if you had had a nickel for every time someone asked you for help with a PC maybe you would be up with Warren Buffet now?)
Wouldn't happen to be due to the ratio of the number of PCs out there versus Apple would it?  Also, to compare apples to apples, so to speak, then one would need to compare specific PC companies as Apple is one company. Some may have higher or equal reliability to Apple's some less.
Posted 2012-09-03 08:36:37
Dont ditch Apple - ditch the patenting or judicial system that allowed Apple to `try it on` and succeed (if theirs was indeed not new invention).
Edited by SantiSuk, 2012-09-03 08:37:23.
Posted 2012-09-03 08:40:30
( Just guessing but if you had had a nickel for every time someone asked you for help with a PC maybe you would be up with Warren Buffet now?)
Wouldn't happen to be due to the ratio of the number of PCs out there versus Apple would it? Also, to compare apples to apples, so to speak, then one would need to compare specific PC companies as Apple is one company. Some may have higher or equal reliability to Apple's some less.
Of course it does, just teasing!!!! 
Posted 2012-09-03 08:54:24
Is that why apple support is not a free included service with your purchase? Because the products "just work"?
If I had a nickle for every time an Apple user has asked me for support help on their device...... I might be able to buy a share of APPL.
I believe you are mistaken on this point. Apple offers an additional extended AppleCare support. Extended meaning it extends beyond what comes with their products which is typically 1 year.
I own a macbook currently and have had other Apple devices over the years as well as other PCs and android devices. I have had problems with all of them. None are without their flaws. I say whatever works for you, use it. I think some of the claims Apple are making are perhaps a tad ridiculous but I think it's undeniable that smartphones in both function and design took a rapid change of course after the iPhone was in users' hands. And yes, many look very very similar to the iPhone. Whether patents were broken, I'll leave that for the legal teams to wrangle over. I can hardly fault them for trying to protect their interests.
As for the whole Apple stole from Xerox thing that is repeated time and time again...mostly fabrication. Xerox was financially compensated for the use of the things Apple supposedly stole, not in some lawsuit after the fact, but in an arrangement reached before Apple produced them for public sale.
Well if the film about it is correct they paid $1 for the lot. is that financial compensation where your from? Oh and yes the Xerox management were dumb
Posted 2012-09-03 09:16:31
Well if the film about it is correct they paid $1 for the lot. is that financial compensation where your from?
Oh and yes the Xerox management were dumb
I'm not sure which film you are referring to. But I agree, they were dumb. But so were most large corporations at that time when the idea of personal computing just didn't seem to make any sense to them. I don't know where the $1 figure is from. They were given the option to purchase 100,000 shares of Pre-IPO stock in Apple at $1,000,000. As far as how they chose to exercise that right I confess I don't know. But assuming they were not dumb enough to pass on the offer (and that may be a big assumption) we know it was one of the biggest money raising IPOs in history with the stock prices ending at $29 each on the first day and the stocks of course went up and split several times afterwards. Granted, Apple may not have handed Xerox money directly I think it was a shrewd business decision on the part of Apple and at no point was it ever "stealing" as so many Apple haters contend. The fact is, even if they HAD paid $1 it wasn't stealing which was my point. The link by the OP was just rehash of the same misinformation that has been repeated for years probably largely due to people taking movies like "The Pirates of Silicon Valley" as truth. I admit, I do like that movie but it is what it is. Xerox and Apple had an agreement.
Edited by SlideRiceFC, 2012-09-03 09:17:15.
Posted 2012-09-03 10:10:15
I don't give a dam_n about the politics behind all that crap. I love my MacBook, iPad and my iPhone. I'm a consumer, not an investor.
Posted 2012-09-03 10:11:29
The kind of lawyer who can convince a court that I have just invented little square boxes with rounded corners in the 21st century, is definitely the kind of lawyer I would like to have on my team!
Posted 2012-09-03 11:06:21
I just can't wait to buy the next iMac2012, ( hopefully within a month) sorry. My existing one is 5 years old, still going strong but not up to coping with modern NLE editing programmes. I just love how Macs 'just work' You boycott them if you like,
Mac is the easiest thing to use if you do not have good computer skills or you do graphic design or video editing but over all it is not a good product but it sure is pretty, not quite sure how a mouse with only one button works though seems like you're missing out on a lot of options with that flaw alone. You could always just run Linux on your old Mac, in fact Mac OS X is Linux copied poorly by Apple. I would never personally own any product from Apple simply based on the human suffering they have caused and continue to cause not to mention they lie about everything including what they did not invent like rounded corners and flat, soon they are going to try to patent the "square" and say they invented it.
Posted 2012-09-03 11:25:00
(Apple) haters gonna hate
Posted 2012-09-03 13:09:53
Well if the film about it is correct they paid $1 for the lot. is that financial compensation where your from?
Oh and yes the Xerox management were dumb
I'm not sure which film you are referring to. But I agree, they were dumb. But so were most large corporations at that time when the idea of personal computing just didn't seem to make any sense to them.
I don't know where the $1 figure is from. They were given the option to purchase 100,000 shares of Pre-IPO stock in Apple at $1,000,000. As far as how they chose to exercise that right I confess I don't know. But assuming they were not dumb enough to pass on the offer (and that may be a big assumption) we know it was one of the biggest money raising IPOs in history with the stock prices ending at $29 each on the first day and the stocks of course went up and split several times afterwards. Granted, Apple may not have handed Xerox money directly I think it was a shrewd business decision on the part of Apple and at no point was it ever "stealing" as so many Apple haters contend. The fact is, even if they HAD paid $1 it wasn't stealing which was my point. The link by the OP was just rehash of the same misinformation that has been repeated for years probably largely due to people taking movies like "The Pirates of Silicon Valley" as truth. I admit, I do like that movie but it is what it is. Xerox and Apple had an agreement.
that's the film i was talking about.. so it is untrue? So they offered Xerox a deal that Xerox had to BUY stock in Apple....ummmm thats not paying for anything.
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