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[PeaceBlondie]

thaibebop, on 2006-02-15 00:46:27, said:

zzap, on 2006-02-15 00:27:25, said:

Well, the uk accents are regional ones, not those of immigrants who struggle to learn the language...

You think that is what makes up American accents? New York(all five barrows are different) and New Jersey have their own accents as does BeanTown and Chicago, Mid-west, deep south, Georgia and the Carolinas, The Cheese state and the Land of 10,000 Lakes speak with the same accents. All of this by english speakers.

Hate to disagree with you, Thaibebop, but I was born in Chicago, and we'd take our vacations in southern Wisconsin, s. Michigan, and pass through northern Indiana, the birthplace of standard American radio broadcasters. Fifty years ago, I couldn't tell a 1% difference. Of course, the Scandanavian immigrants in Minnesota spoke with their national accents, but the same is true of any immigrants anywhere. I agree that NY-NJ has a dialect or accent, but never heard before that Neuw Yahwk City had five wheelbarrows. OK, Brooklyn guys, yeah. And Boston, for sure. And while I never heard many of them talk, Vermont-NH-Maine are different from New York.

Okay, Texas has two or three accents, but it's bigger than Thailand, which has numerous dialects. But by the late 20th century, I suspect most of the Confederate states had mellowed out a lot, or melted together. IJWT can do some great Carolina and Alabama accents, but they're comical exaggerations of casual talk. I've picked up the George W. Bush Midland-Odessa oil roughneck Spanish: "Booo-WAY-nus DI-ass, Seen-your-eat-ah, Cooooomo estaaas?"

I think colloquial speech is what we're talking about, but for formal responses in school, for announcements and the like, there's generally a 'standard American English' and a 'BBC' or 'standard' or 'Queen's English' in the UK.

My son can already spot someone from a different county of Ireland, sometimes. He's learning to sound County Clare.

Bostonians say, "I have no idear wheah my cah is.

[Nignoy]

redrus, on 2006-02-14 20:41:37, said:

Can't say that I've ever heard of it.

I do know after living there, that Germany has over 200 different dialects, not just accents. People from Munich would be visiting the north of the country and, come into my restaurant. My waitresses would have no idea what they were saying when listening to them converse.


redrus

must agree there redrus , as a scouse, who lived and worked in germany for over 20 years, I used to enjoy changing to the different dialects, even now when I speak to germans I find myself naturally falling into their dialect, only problem is ,as oldtimers disease sets in it plays hel_l,, with my thai, laos and khmer, and if I happen to be slurping the odd Lao Khao usually fall back into Swahili nignoy

[redrus]

Nignoy, on 2006-02-14 21:41:25, said:

redrus, on 2006-02-14 20:41:37, said:

Can't say that I've ever heard of it.

I do know after living there, that Germany has over 200 different dialects, not just accents. People from Munich would be visiting the north of the country and, come into my restaurant. My waitresses would have no idea what they were saying when listening to them converse.


redrus

must agree there redrus , as a scouse, who lived and worked in germany for over 20 years, I used to enjoy changing to the different dialects, even now when I speak to germans I find myself naturally falling into their dialect, only problem is ,as oldtimers disease sets in it plays hel_l,, with my thai, laos and khmer, and if I happen to be slurping the odd Lao Khao usually fall back into Swahili nignoy

Only learned every day Deutch when I was there but, it was Plait where I lived (Emden in Ostfriesland).


redrus

Ps; glad to see your tickers holding out Nignoy did you get that replacement....?

[ChiefBEM]

PeaceBlondie, on 2006-02-15 01:57:15, said:

thaibebop, on 2006-02-15 00:46:27, said:

zzap, on 2006-02-15 00:27:25, said:

Well, the uk accents are regional ones, not those of immigrants who struggle to learn the language...

You think that is what makes up American accents? New York(all five barrows are different) and New Jersey have their own accents as does BeanTown and Chicago, Mid-west, deep south, Georgia and the Carolinas, The Cheese state and the Land of 10,000 Lakes speak with the same accents. All of this by english speakers.

Hate to disagree with you, Thaibebop, but I was born in Chicago, and we'd take our vacations in southern Wisconsin, s. Michigan, and pass through northern Indiana, the birthplace of standard American radio broadcasters. Fifty years ago, I couldn't tell a 1% difference. Of course, the Scandanavian immigrants in Minnesota spoke with their national accents, but the same is true of any immigrants anywhere. I agree that NY-NJ has a dialect or accent, but never heard before that Neuw Yahwk City had five wheelbarrows. OK, Brooklyn guys, yeah. And Boston, for sure. And while I never heard many of them talk, Vermont-NH-Maine are different from New York.

Okay, Texas has two or three accents, but it's bigger than Thailand, which has numerous dialects. But by the late 20th century, I suspect most of the Confederate states had mellowed out a lot, or melted together. IJWT can do some great Carolina and Alabama accents, but they're comical exaggerations of casual talk. I've picked up the George W. Bush Midland-Odessa oil roughneck Spanish: "Booo-WAY-nus DI-ass, Seen-your-eat-ah, Cooooomo estaaas?"

I think colloquial speech is what we're talking about, but for formal responses in school, for announcements and the like, there's generally a 'standard American English' and a 'BBC' or 'standard' or 'Queen's English' in the UK.

My son can already spot someone from a different county of Ireland, sometimes. He's learning to sound County Clare.

Bostonians say, "I have no idear wheah my cah is.

30 years ago on my first trip to Boston I met this georgous girl.

I said "Hello"

and
before she could say anything, her girl friend ran up to us and rapidly said

"Urryup, I phaaked da cah n da yhaad n left da moota runin!"

(Try saying "Urryup, I phaaked da cah n da yhaad n left da moota runin!" real fast so you can understand what it sounded like to me.)

I told the girl that I only spoke english and asked what country they were from.

She said something else that I did not understand and walked away like she was mad at something.

Before the evening was over I learned that most people from Boston spoke their own version of the English language.

[skylar]

And then you have NZ English.... imagine a world with fush und chups, where six is sex and vice versa... you write with a pin... and more...

[thaibebop]

PeaceBlondie, on 2006-02-15 01:57:15, said:

thaibebop, on 2006-02-15 00:46:27, said:

zzap, on 2006-02-15 00:27:25, said:

Well, the uk accents are regional ones, not those of immigrants who struggle to learn the language...

You think that is what makes up American accents? New York(all five barrows are different) and New Jersey have their own accents as does BeanTown and Chicago, Mid-west, deep south, Georgia and the Carolinas, The Cheese state and the Land of 10,000 Lakes speak with the same accents. All of this by english speakers.

Hate to disagree with you, Thaibebop, but I was born in Chicago, and we'd take our vacations in southern Wisconsin, s. Michigan, and pass through northern Indiana, the birthplace of standard American radio broadcasters. Fifty years ago, I couldn't tell a 1% difference. Of course, the Scandanavian immigrants in Minnesota spoke with their national accents, but the same is true of any immigrants anywhere. I agree that NY-NJ has a dialect or accent, but never heard before that Neuw Yahwk City had five wheelbarrows. Is that a joke, or do you not know about the barrows? Sorry, sometimes I am slow. OK, Brooklyn guys, yeah. And Boston, for sure. And while I never heard many of them talk, Vermont-NH-Maine are different from New York.
You can't tell the difference between Brooklyn, Da Bronx, Queens and the Island?! You haven't spent enough time back east my friend. I have family back there in Queens and the Island, trust me, there speech differences just with in my clan.

Okay, Texas has two or three accents, but it's bigger than Thailand, which has numerous dialects. But by the late 20th century, I suspect most of the Confederate states had mellowed out a lot, or melted together. IJWT can do some great Carolina and Alabama accents, but they're comical exaggerations of casual talk. I've picked up the George W. Bush Midland-Odessa oil roughneck Spanish: "Booo-WAY-nus DI-ass, Seen-your-eat-ah, Cooooomo estaaas?"
Oh yes, the south is spilt every which way. I know you know Texas, so you should know the difference in speech when visiting Louisiana. My uncle Jimmy is a Baptist preacher from Georgia, you say comical and I think I should almost be insulted for my family, cause that is the way he speaks 24/7. I worked with a lady who was from South Carolina, everytime she opened her mouth all I could think of was Gone With The Wind. I think you've been missing out there PB.

I think colloquial speech is what we're talking about, but for formal responses in school, for announcements and the like, there's generally a 'standard American English' and a 'BBC' or 'standard' or 'Queen's English' in the UK.
You have half a point here. Yes, we as Americans are trying to have a standard, which is always being questioned as it seems not everyone can fit within that standard. I agree that much of the differences in speech is colloquial in nature, but I think you are down playing the accents way too much. If you know the mid-west you should know the mid-west backcountry speech. Ya know, Missoura instead of Missouri.

My son can already spot someone from a different county of Ireland, sometimes. He's learning to sound County Clare.

Bostonians say, "I have no idear wheah my cah is.

[zzap]

endure, on 2006-02-15 02:50:49, said:

PeaceBlondie, on 2006-02-14 18:57:15, said:

I think colloquial speech is what we're talking about, but for formal responses in school, for announcements and the like, there's generally a 'standard American English' and a 'BBC' or 'standard' or 'Queen's English' in the UK.

The only people who speak the Queen's English in the UK are the Queen and a few toffs. I used to have a landlord who was a minor toff (Eton & the Guards) who was reasonably comprehensible on a good day but he had a brother whose plum was so large I simply couldn't understand more than 10% of what he said. He was an absolute nightmare on the phone

You're talking about a class-thing in the use of language, different from accent or dialect still.
Ahemm - check some of 'the gent's marvels for a caricature of the "real" thing. Cassandra persistently fails to show any distinction in use of language, though he might like to think he does - wannabes never get beyond pretending.
For accents, It gets worse the further North you go, they accused me of speaking like a 'bludy Sotherner'...

And then, having spent a few years 'up North', the Londoners laughed at me for having a 'Northern' accent.

[helitool]

The thing that fasinates me is that Ireland and england are next door to each other but Gaelic and english are so different that they might as well be from seperate planets!

[jackr]

Wes Turner, on 2006-02-14 20:32:47, said:

I didnt know the english could speak there language! everb heard a brit say aluminum?

That's because they're saying the correct word, which happens to be AluminIum! Afraid the joke is on you septics.

[Plus]

Gaelic and English are very different because they have completely different roots. English was imposed on Brits. It's not the native language of the isles.

I read about a place in Northern Germany where they speak comprehensible English, as their native dialect. The place is called Anglia, if I remember correctly.

[kurgen]

anyone north of the Watford Gap is a dirty northern pikey scumbag , so there

[Ice Maiden]

I have a bit of a northern accent, only a couple of words I find difficult to say! But my friends manage to communicate with me

[Old Croc]

gburns57au, on 2006-02-14 23:04:04, said:

Who the Fluck cares.....talk about it in an English forum

You're allowed to talk about British life on this forum Burnsie. If I started a similar thread about Aussie accents it would be closed in a minute as non Thai related.

[phibunmike]

Wes Turner, on 2006-02-14 21:32:47, said:

I didnt know the english could speak there language! everb heard a brit say aluminum?

As baan yangyai says, it is "aluminium".

Now how would you pronounce "plutonium", "uranium", "chromium", etc. ????

[astral]

I wonder why an American was surprised by different accents.

Perhaps he had never travelled outside his home state?

[baan_yangyai]

Nignoy, on 2006-02-15 00:41:25, said:

redrus, on 2006-02-14 20:41:37, said:

Can't say that I've ever heard of it.

I do know after living there, that Germany has over 200 different dialects, not just accents. People from Munich would be visiting the north of the country and, come into my restaurant. My waitresses would have no idea what they were saying when listening to them converse.


redrus

must agree there redrus , as a scouse, who lived and worked in germany for over 20 years, I used to enjoy changing to the different dialects, even now when I speak to germans I find myself naturally falling into their dialect, only problem is ,as oldtimers disease sets in it plays hel_l,, with my thai, laos and khmer, and if I happen to be slurping the odd Lao Khao usually fall back into Swahili nignoy

You'se must be a linguist me awl' Scouser! What part of the of the great city are you'se from mate? I'm from the West Derby/Queens Drive area meeself!

[Totster]

zzap, on 2006-02-14 23:21:37, said:

daleyboy, on 2006-02-14 23:01:53, said:

All you have to do is draw a line across England just below Brum and then all those above the line talk funny versions of English and those below the line speak correct English

And I thought it was Watford...

The accents in Watford aren't English ones... !


totster

[Totster]

zzap, on 2006-02-14 23:21:37, said:

daleyboy, on 2006-02-14 23:01:53, said:

All you have to do is draw a line across England just below Brum and then all those above the line talk funny versions of English and those below the line speak correct English

And I thought it was Watford...

The accents in Watford aren't English ones... !


totster

[dr_Pat_Pong]

Old Croc, on 2006-02-15 11:21:36, said:

gburns57au, on 2006-02-14 23:04:04, said:

Who the Fluck cares.....talk about it in an English forum

You're allowed to talk about British life on this forum Burnsie. If I started a similar thread about Aussie accents it would be closed in a minute as non Thai related. <_<

Too many Aussie mods on TV eh ?

[baan_yangyai]

Plus, on 2006-02-15 05:01:21, said:

Gaelic and English are very different because they have completely different roots. English was imposed on Brits. It's not the native language of the isles.

I read about a place in Northern Germany where they speak comprehensible English, as their native dialect. The place is called Anglia, if I remember correctly.

Yeah! Your'e right about the german language; there are between 50 to 250 DIFFERENT dialects all together! Absolutely F***ING amazing! However, the 'Anglia' you refered to is in actual fact the Frisian Islands in North Germany, where they speak Frisian dialect very closely related to the English language!

[Nignoy]

Ostfriesische platt [quote name='redrus' post='645213' date='2006-02-15 04:50:01'][quote name='Nignoy' post='645203' date='2006-02-14 21:41:25']
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Can't say that I've ever heard of it.

I do know after living there, that Germany has over 200 different dialects, not just accents. People from Munich would be visiting the north of the country and, come into my restaurant. My waitresses would have no idea what they were saying when listening to them converse.


redrus[/quote]must agree there redrus , as a scouse, who lived and worked in germany for over 20 years, I used to enjoy changing to the different dialects, even now when I speak to germans I find myself naturally falling into their dialect, only problem is ,as oldtimers disease sets in it plays hel_l,, with my thai, laos and khmer, and if I happen to be slurping the odd Lao Khao usually fall back into Swahili nignoy
[/quote]


Only learned every day Deutch when I was there but, it was Plait where I lived (Emden in Ostfriesland).


redrus

Ps; glad to see your tickers holding out Nignoy did you get that replacement....?
[/quote]ostfriesische platt is a difficult one but I got used to it the new pacemaker is doing fine thanks nignoy


[quote name='baan_yangyai' post='645578' date='2006-02-15 12:40:59'][quote name='Nignoy' post='645203' date='2006-02-15 00:41:25']
[quote name='redrus' post='644662' date='2006-02-14 20:41:37']
Can't say that I've ever heard of it.

I do know after living there, that Germany has over 200 different dialects, not just accents. People from Munich would be visiting the north of the country and, come into my restaurant. My waitresses would have no idea what they were saying when listening to them converse.


redrus[/quote]must agree there redrus , as a scouse, who lived and worked in germany for over 20 years, I used to enjoy changing to the different dialects, even now when I speak to germans I find myself naturally falling into their dialect, only problem is ,as oldtimers disease sets in it plays hel_l,, with my thai, laos and khmer, and if I happen to be slurping the odd Lao Khao usually fall back into Swahili nignoy
[/quote]

You'se must be a linguist me awl' Scouser! What part of the of the great city are you'se from mate? I'm from the West Derby/Queens Drive area meeself!
[/quote]Born on Upper Parliament Street, Grandparents a nd parents were landlords of the stanley arms on the Balliol in Bootle, till my old man was called back into the army. Nignoy

[baan_yangyai]

Yeah. Know Upper Parli very well indeed, although it's gone down 'ill recently. I wonder how many other Scouser there are out there? Might make an interesting Thread eh?

[tutsiwarrior]

I was born in Nashville TN, raised in Pasadena CA and later lived in the UK for 10 years. Some brits have asked me where abouts in the East Midlands am I from...('..., me duck...)

[Nignoy]

tutsiwarrior, on 2006-02-15 15:24:56, said:

I was born in Nashville TN, raised in Pasadena CA and later lived in the UK for 10 years. Some brits have asked me where abouts in the East Midlands am I from...('..., me duck...)

Maybe its the way you WALK Nignoy