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[tutsiwarrior]

Nignoy, on 2006-02-15 14:47:59, said:

tutsiwarrior, on 2006-02-15 15:24:56, said:

I was born in Nashville TN, raised in Pasadena CA and later lived in the UK for 10 years. Some brits have asked me where abouts in the East Midlands am I from...('..., me duck...)

Maybe its the way you WALK Nignoy

yeah...Chuck Berry is from Derby...

[suegha]

baan_yangyai, on 2006-02-15 14:50:04, said:

Yeah. Know Upper Parli very well indeed, although it's gone down 'ill recently. I wonder how many other Scouser there are out there? Might make an interesting Thread eh?

Although I am from Ireland, I am an adopted Scouser!  I have lived here for 18 years, I married a Liverpool girl and I love the place.  Liverpool people are the salt of the earth, and Liverpool is the most beautiful city in the UK.

Parliment street is 5 mins from where I live.  Oh and it's still going down hill!  I wonder how many people will get the joke?

[Rimmer]

Wes Turner, on 2006-02-14 20:32:47, said:

I didnt know the english could speak there language! everb heard a brit say aluminum?

Well it's a shame you were never taught it right?

THERE..........over there

THEIR...........belonging to

[Mister Fixit]

[quote name='baan_yangyai' post='644643' date='2006-02-14 14:30:47']Has any Brit. out there in TV-Land ever heard of the Pitmatic English accent?  An American colleague of mine simply can't understand how or why there are so many variations in spoken English in Britain. I mentioned a few to him, like Scouse, Geordie, Cockney, Brummie etc.  and gave him a few smatterings of each(I'm quite adept at it   ) . I came across the Pitmatic accent by chance, and was wondering if anyone knows anythin about it?

Cheers![/quote]

Whey aye, man, taalk it aal the tyme, lyke!  Well, not here, though, but.

It's a derivative of Geordie, used by coal miners in the hey-day of the coal fields in the North East of England.

[quote name='chuchok' post='644785' date='2006-02-14 16:16:37']Pitmatic (originally "pitmatical") is a dialect of English used in the counties of Northumberland and Durham. It developed as a separate dialect from Northumbrian and Geordie due to the specialised terms used by mineworkers in the local coal pits. For example, in Northumberland and Tyne and Wear the word "Cuddy" is an abbreviation of the name Cuthbert (particularly the local saint, Cuthbert of Lindisfarne), but in Durham Pitmatic, as in Lowland Scots, "cuddy" denotes a horse, specifically a pit pony.

Traditionally, pitmatic, together with some rural Northumbrian communities including Rothbury, used a distinctive, soft, rolled "R" sound, produced at the very back of the throat. This is now less frequently heard: since the closure of the area's deep mines, and the subsequent dilution of the area's identity, many young people speak in a more generic "Geordie-like" way. The softly throaty "R" sound can, however, still sometimes be detected, especially amongst elderly populations in more rural areas.

While in theory pitmatic was spoken throughout the Great Northern Coalfield, from Ashington in Northumberland to Trimdon in County Durham, early references apply specifically to its use by miners "especially from the Durham district" (1873) and to its use in County Durham (1930).[/quote]

Lifted from Wikipedia or something similar?


[quote name='thaibebop' post='644955' date='2006-02-14 18:46:27'][quote name='zzap' post='644922' date='2006-02-15 00:27:25']
Well, the uk accents are regional ones, not those of immigrants who struggle to learn the language...[/quote]
You think that is what makes up American accents? New York(all five barrows are different) [/quote]

Er, 'barrows'?  I think you mean 'boroughs', or in Yank-speak maybe 'boros' ...  You American, perchance?


[quote name='Totster' post='645585' date='2006-02-15 06:52:20'][quote name='zzap' post='644834' date='2006-02-14 23:21:37']
[quote name='daleyboy' post='644818' date='2006-02-14 23:01:53']
All you have to do is draw a line across England just below Brum and then all those above the line talk funny versions of English and those below the line speak correct English [/quote]
And I thought it was Watford...
[/quote]

The accents in Watford aren't English ones... !  


totster  
[/quote]

Yers, vey're from Darn Sarf, where they say 'barf' for 'bath' etc ...  and can't pronounce 'th', and where 'well' sounds like 'wew'.  

[kenkannif]

Geordie is actually more closely related to the Scandinavian language than English per se.

English is more Germanic than anything else (although a mongrel in the extreme)....or so my Mum told me!

[Mister Fixit]

Rimmer, on 2006-02-15 15:47:29, said:

Wes Turner, on 2006-02-14 20:32:47, said:

I didnt know the english could speak there language! everb heard a brit say aluminum?

Well it's a shame you were never taught it right?

THERE..........over there

THEIR...........belonging to

Oh, come one, make some allowances <And this is how flame wars start mate...please...KK>

Edited by kenkannif, 2006-02-16 17:17:06.

[Mister Fixit]

kenkannif, on 2006-02-16 11:05:13, said:

Geordie is actually more closely related to the Scandinavian language than English per se.

English is more Germanic than anything else (although a mongrel in the extreme)....or so my Mum told me!

You're dead right about Geordie.  It is a real mongrel dialect, with many Scandinavian words and terms. 'A'm ganning' yairm' - (Geordie) versus 'Ikke ganna hyem' (Norwegian - and this may not be accurate spelling or grammar as my Norwegian is VERY rusty, and neither do I know if it is Landsmal or Bokmal)
The point is they SOUND almost the same.

Geordie is also heavily influenced by the Scots dialect (eg, Geordies call their town 'the Toon') as well as other influeces, such as the Dutch who also traded up in newcastle.  Non-Brits should bear in mind that the north east of England borders Scotland (only 60 miles from the Toon), is on the sea opposite Norway and Denmark, with Holland and Germany not far awayand also had influences from Ireland.

In fact it's not just Geordie that is influenced by the Scandinavian languages - the whole area of Northumbria, as was, is.  This is from, say, South Yorkshire, and maybe even as far south as Lincolnshire, in fact, way up to the top of Northumberland and even into the Scottish borders region.

And yes, English is mainly a Germanic language and Gaelic is nothing like it, to answer another poster.

[sadman]

Mister Fixit, on 2006-02-16 18:39:19, said:

And yes, English is mainly a Germanic language and Gaelic is nothing like it, to answer another poster.

The English language has its main roots in Saxon (German), Norman (French) and Latin (which is the basis for Norman anyway). It differs from the Celtic (Welsh) and Gaelic (Irish) languages for a simple reason.

By and large, the west of the British Isles (including Wales, Ireland) wasn't invaded much except by Vikings who popped over for a bit of the old raping and pillaging. The Romans came in to the east (which may be partly why the area is called East Anglia and the country England); the Normans came in from the south east, and called the main island Grande Bretagne, to distinguish it from Bretagne, otherwise called Brittany.

Invaders tended not to push themselves too far north or west, partly due to fierce resistance, partly through a desire not to spread themselves too thin on the ground, and partly for economic reasons.

Anyway, when they went to Wales or Scotland, they couldn't understand the accents.

[Mister Fixit]

sadman, on 2006-02-16 13:04:29, said:

Mister Fixit, on 2006-02-16 18:39:19, said:

And yes, English is mainly a Germanic language and Gaelic is nothing like it, to answer another poster.

The English language has its main roots in Saxon (German), Norman (French) and Latin (which is the basis for Norman anyway). It differs from the Celtic (Welsh) and Gaelic (Irish) languages for a simple reason.

By and large, the west of the British Isles (including Wales, Ireland) wasn't invaded much except by Vikings who popped over for a bit of the old raping and pillaging. The Romans came in to the east (which may be partly why the area is called East Anglia and the country England

No, the country is called England because the Angles, a tribe from north west Germany, settled there in East Anglia.  Simplistically. they eventually took over and the country became known as England.

The Saxons also came over from Europe and settled in the Essex (East Saxons),  Sussex (South Saxons),  Wessex (West Saxons - Hampshire and Dorset areas) and Middlesex (Middle Saxons, now merged in Greater London).

There's no 'Nussex'!      The Angles and Danes had that bit of England.

[thaibebop]

[quote name='Mister Fixit' post='647094' date='2006-02-16 17:04:25'][quote name='baan_yangyai' post='644643' date='2006-02-14 14:30:47']
Has any Brit. out there in TV-Land ever heard of the Pitmatic English accent?  An American colleague of mine simply can't understand how or why there are so many variations in spoken English in Britain. I mentioned a few to him, like Scouse, Geordie, Cockney, Brummie etc.  and gave him a few smatterings of each(I'm quite adept at it   ) . I came across the Pitmatic accent by chance, and was wondering if anyone knows anythin about it?

Cheers![/quote]

Whey aye, man, taalk it aal the tyme, lyke!  Well, not here, though, but.

It's a derivative of Geordie, used by coal miners in the hey-day of the coal fields in the North East of England.

[quote name='chuchok' post='644785' date='2006-02-14 16:16:37']Pitmatic (originally "pitmatical") is a dialect of English used in the counties of Northumberland and Durham. It developed as a separate dialect from Northumbrian and Geordie due to the specialised terms used by mineworkers in the local coal pits. For example, in Northumberland and Tyne and Wear the word "Cuddy" is an abbreviation of the name Cuthbert (particularly the local saint, Cuthbert of Lindisfarne), but in Durham Pitmatic, as in Lowland Scots, "cuddy" denotes a horse, specifically a pit pony.

Traditionally, pitmatic, together with some rural Northumbrian communities including Rothbury, used a distinctive, soft, rolled "R" sound, produced at the very back of the throat. This is now less frequently heard: since the closure of the area's deep mines, and the subsequent dilution of the area's identity, many young people speak in a more generic "Geordie-like" way. The softly throaty "R" sound can, however, still sometimes be detected, especially amongst elderly populations in more rural areas.

While in theory pitmatic was spoken throughout the Great Northern Coalfield, from Ashington in Northumberland to Trimdon in County Durham, early references apply specifically to its use by miners "especially from the Durham district" (1873) and to its use in County Durham (1930).[/quote]

Lifted from Wikipedia or something similar?


[quote name='thaibebop' post='644955' date='2006-02-14 18:46:27'][quote name='zzap' post='644922' date='2006-02-15 00:27:25']
Well, the uk accents are regional ones, not those of immigrants who struggle to learn the language...[/quote]
You think that is what makes up American accents? New York(all five barrows are different) [/quote]

Er, 'barrows'?  I think you mean 'boroughs', or in Yank-speak maybe 'boros' ...  You American, perchance?
I feel like a dumba$$ now.  
Yes, your spelling is correct, mine is way off and I was thinking with a mid-western mind. Yes, I am Yankee doodle Dandy, who is still feeling like a dumda$$. I know better than that I really do.   


[quote name='Totster' post='645585' date='2006-02-15 06:52:20'][quote name='zzap' post='644834' date='2006-02-14 23:21:37']
[quote name='daleyboy' post='644818' date='2006-02-14 23:01:53']
All you have to do is draw a line across England just below Brum and then all those above the line talk funny versions of English and those below the line speak correct English [/quote]
And I thought it was Watford...
[/quote]

The accents in Watford aren't English ones... !  


totster  
[/quote]

Yers, vey're from Darn Sarf, where they say 'barf' for 'bath' etc ...  and can't pronounce 'th', and where 'well' sounds like 'wew'.  
[/quote]

[Nignoy]

[quote name='thaibebop' post='647642' date='2006-02-17 01:44:17'][quote name='Mister Fixit' post='647094' date='2006-02-16 17:04:25']
[quote name='baan_yangyai' post='644643' date='2006-02-14 14:30:47']
Has any Brit. out there in TV-Land ever heard of the Pitmatic English accent?  An American colleague of mine simply can't understand how or why there are so many variations in spoken English in Britain. I mentioned a few to him, like Scouse, Geordie, Cockney, Brummie etc.  and gave him a few smatterings of each(I'm quite adept at it   ) . I came across the Pitmatic accent by chance, and was wondering if anyone knows anythin about it?

Cheers![/quote]

Whey aye, man, taalk it aal the tyme, lyke!  Well, not here, though, but.

It's a derivative of Geordie, used by coal miners in the hey-day of the coal fields in the North East of England.

[quote name='chuchok' post='644785' date='2006-02-14 16:16:37']Pitmatic (originally "pitmatical") is a dialect of English used in the counties of Northumberland and Durham. It developed as a separate dialect from Northumbrian and Geordie due to the specialised terms used by mineworkers in the local coal pits. For example, in Northumberland and Tyne and Wear the word "Cuddy" is an abbreviation of the name Cuthbert (particularly the local saint, Cuthbert of Lindisfarne), but in Durham Pitmatic, as in Lowland Scots, "cuddy" denotes a horse, specifically a pit pony.

Traditionally, pitmatic, together with some rural Northumbrian communities including Rothbury, used a distinctive, soft, rolled "R" sound, produced at the very back of the throat. This is now less frequently heard: since the closure of the area's deep mines, and the subsequent dilution of the area's identity, many young people speak in a more generic "Geordie-like" way. The softly throaty "R" sound can, however, still sometimes be detected, especially amongst elderly populations in more rural areas.

While in theory pitmatic was spoken throughout the Great Northern Coalfield, from Ashington in Northumberland to Trimdon in County Durham, early references apply specifically to its use by miners "especially from the Durham district" (1873) and to its use in County Durham (1930).[/quote]

Lifted from Wikipedia or something similar?


[quote name='thaibebop' post='644955' date='2006-02-14 18:46:27'][quote name='zzap' post='644922' date='2006-02-15 00:27:25']
Well, the uk accents are regional ones, not those of immigrants who struggle to learn the language...[/quote]
You think that is what makes up American accents? New York(all five barrows are different) [/quote]

Er, 'barrows'?  I think you mean 'boroughs', or in Yank-speak maybe 'boros' ...  You American, perchance?
I feel like a dumba$$ now.  
Yes, your spelling is correct, mine is way off and I was thinking with a mid-western mind. Yes, I am Yankee doodle Dandy, who is still feeling like a dumda$$. I know better than that I really do.   


[quote name='Totster' post='645585' date='2006-02-15 06:52:20'][quote name='zzap' post='644834' date='2006-02-14 23:21:37']
[quote name='daleyboy' post='644818' date='2006-02-14 23:01:53']
All you have to do is draw a line across England just below Brum and then all those above the line talk funny versions of English and those below the line speak correct English [/quote]
And I thought it was Watford...
[/quote]

The accents in Watford aren't English ones... !  


totster  
[/quote]

Yers, vey're from Darn Sarf, where they say 'barf' for 'bath' etc ...  and can't pronounce 'th', and where 'well' sounds like 'wew'.  
[/quote]
[/quote]

<Amusing but nothing really to do with the thread...KK>

Edited by kenkannif, 2006-02-17 13:02:23.