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#26 Jiu-Jitsu

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Posted 2013-08-21 03:18:48

Please could people forward this story to the local papers in their home country, for example the Daily Mail in the UK etc. This violent abuse and murder of foreigners by Thais who act with arrogance and impunity, as if foreigners are sub human, it has to be reported. Thailand has to be shown for what it is and Thais have to be shown for what they are until they learn to be accountable for the actions of their own people.

This act, however abhorrent and regardless of how angry it makes me....I'm not altogether sure that it is to do with being a foreigner. Perhaps more to do with the lowlife involved.

I have also seen ridiculous Thai on Thai(or at least from the region) violence. The lowlife that struck the blow should be wiped from the face of the earth.



#27 Woody1

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Posted 2013-08-21 04:16:31

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Ladyboys are people, not "things" and maybe if the lad had been a little more secure in his own sexuality and a little less homophobic, he would still be alive. (Assuming the reports of a death are true.)

However, whatever precipitated the confrontation, such violence is inexcusable and one hopes that the suspects are found and prosecuted according to law.

Tell / remind his parents of your, "live and let live" attitude. Should make a great epitaph!!
They ARE, "THINGS"!!! How many more unprovoked pickpocket occurances, random beatings, necklace snatches, safety deposit box thefts, etc, do you need to see, witness, hear about, before your deluded likeness / support of these, "THINGS" will it take for you to understand that you have an an affinity to something that is not normal! I can't remember one decent Thai male or female that trust anyone of the, "THINGS" over the past 13 years! Especially late at night in Pattaya!

#28 brabo2180

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Posted 2013-08-21 04:26:56

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A waste of a young life here. 

But what hasn't been discussed is the violent way many Thai (and not only ladyboys) react to a 'F$ck You' or 'F$ck Off'.

Many tourists don't know that they are risking their lifes when using these phrases. 

 

Same as showing "the finger" in traffic. Many Thai see red and show a violent reaction.

People have been shot at for showing "the finger".

 

It is in no way an excuse, but probably this katoey reacted violently to the 'F$uck Off' from the farang and his fellow katoeys just joined in beating the poor guy without knowing what really happened.



#29 krisb

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Posted 2013-08-21 04:29:56

Please nobody blame the victim here, OK? Posted Image

Well he was beaten to death!! Savagely beaten after sexual assault. Who's at fault?


#30 Woody1

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Posted 2013-08-21 04:36:49

Please nobody blame the victim here, OK? w00t.gif

Well he was beaten to death!! Savagely beaten after sexual assault. Who's at fault?
Krisb, If I'm not mistaken, I think you may have misunderstood JT's point??

#31 NCC1701A

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Posted 2013-08-21 05:34:07

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My empirical experience has been the only time I have been threaten in Thailand was in Pattaya by a ladyboy as I walked down a soi near where this kid was killed.

 

Being a straight guy coming from Los Angeles where this is a huge gay population, I can tell you there is a big difference between a average gay man and a Ladyboy IN A BAR IN PATTAYA. I have many coworkers who are gay. They don't grab my willy. In West Hollywood where there are 100,000 gay men, no one gets stomped to death. (unless they pay extra)  :)      

 

As a man, if I grabbed a woman's breasts in a bar in Los Angeles, she would say "<deleted> OFF" and get really upset. So it is normal for a person to react negatively to unwanted advances. Male or female. I would not expect the other women in the bar to beat me to death. (that costs extra)

 

Let hope we can find some understanding here. Straight men don't like having their penises grabbed by gay men. Straight men don't want to be with ladyboys. It can be very upsetting for a straight man to realize the woman he has been flirting with is a man. Ladyboys have unique "issues". Low life bars in Thailand can be very dangerous places.  Straight men who are young, have a few beers in them, in a foreign land, surrounded by ladyboys need to learn new survival skills. ZERO CONFRONTATION in bars.   

 

ALL the ladyboys involved in this are now murderers.     

 

Of course if the kid who got killed was gay, then this is even more horrible, as he was just saying I'm not interested in you.    

         

So I think the fair thing is for everyone to acknowledge that there is something different about ladyboys in the BAR scene.

 

       



#32 bytebuster

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Posted 2013-08-21 05:40:06

RIP poor guy. The offenders, whatever gender they are, have to be found and prosecuted according to the law.

 

We all have to take lessons from this story.

What we are seeing here is a mutual offense problem. Katoeys intrude into a foreigner's private space, according to a Western morale, but this poor guy has returned an aggression, according to a Thai morale.

The thing is that we are on Thai territory.

Saying "<deleted> you" to a Thai (especially to a drunk or stoned one) is a certain way to get problems. For them, it does not matter who started first.

If someone does not want their pants to be touched, they should not go to insecure places. There are almost zero stories like that happened somewhere in Chiangmai.

Likewise if we don't agree our arm cut for breaking a live tree, don't go to certain Mid-East countries.

 

So if a katoey touches you, just pretend you haven't noticed it.



#33 Jingthing

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Posted 2013-08-21 05:46:01

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Straight men don't want to be with ladyboys.

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Neither do gay men.

 

In truth, straight men are much more likely to be into ladyboys than gay man as gay men like DUDES, you know, males that present like MALES. 

 

Ladyboys are not the same thing as gay men.
 

In any case, this item is about a horrible murder. I don't care about the sexual status of the suspects or the victim but I do hope justice is done. 

 

As far as groups of aggressive transgendered sex workers going for your pants area, I generally assume it's a pickpocket attempt as much as a sexual assault. Saying F.O. is a very understandable response though I guess my tactic is wiser -- getting away from them as quickly as possible! I have been known to cross streets to avoid getting anywhere near groups of ominous looking LB gangs and sometimes they chase me. It's not because I'm cute. It's doesn't take long being in Thailand to recognize gangs of criminal LBs. 

 

Of course people should not be hating on all transgendered people because some of them are violent thieves and criminals. That's just not fair. 


Edited by Jingthing, 2013-08-21 05:57:01.


#34 guzzi850m2

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Posted 2013-08-21 06:44:00

Red light districts around the world are places you have to carefully in, drugs and alcohol are widely used.

 

You even see men fighting over the same hooker sometimes, unbelievably stupid but true. 

 

RIP to the young man, I hope the persons guilty are caught and given long prison sentences.



#35 KittenKong

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Posted 2013-08-21 06:55:02

Being a straight guy coming from Los Angeles where this is a huge gay population, I can tell you there is a big difference between a average gay man and a Ladyboy IN A BAR IN PATTAYA. I have many coworkers who are gay. They don't grab my willy.


So I would hope.

However, there is a big difference between what happens in your office between 9-5, and what happens in a street full of hookers after dark. At least, I hope there is.

Anyone who goes to somewhere like that Soi should reasonably expect to have his parts touched at some point, and should be prepared to deal with it in a pleasant manner. If not then he should not be there and should be in church instead.

Would anyone say "<deleted> you" to bar staff who call out "sit down please"? Or to massage parlour staff who call out "massage"? Or to an Indian tailor who invites you to buy a shirt on Beach Road? Or a motorbike taxi driver who calls out "taxi"? I doubt it. And if they did they could probably expect to be on the receiving end of something very unpleasant also. All these people are just doing their job, as are the hookers.

#36 KittenKong

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Posted 2013-08-21 07:00:06

I'm sure you have read the stories in the past on this forum about the foreigners that did something the lady didn't fancy in Lucifer Disco and Soi 7, and what the outcome was of that.


No, I haven't. I'm not really very interested in what happens in such places as I never go to them, but if I went there I would be prepared for the worst and I certainly would avoid being aggressive towards anyone.

#37 guzzi850m2

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Posted 2013-08-21 07:06:28

I wonder why he chooses Soi7? Soi6 running closely nearby is a much nicer Soi and if you are looking for a girl or just a beer the place to be.

 

I been riding though Soi 7 on my scooter a couple of times but not a place I want to walk unless in company with my wife and I know they will leave me alone.



#38 PattayaPhom

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Posted 2013-08-21 07:13:28

They should move the sex industry to the dark side and let the majority of tourists in Pattaya be able to enjoy themselves. Anyone wants a sex for sale area  can then go the other side of Suk .



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Posted 2013-08-21 07:15:28

I wonder why he chooses Soi7? Soi6 running closely nearby is a much nicer Soi and if you are looking for a girl or just a beer the place to be.

 

I been riding though Soi 7 on my scooter a couple of times but not a place I want to walk unless in company with my wife and I know they will leave me alone.

 

Soi 6, AKA mucky street a nicer place to be cheesy.gifclap2.gifcheesy.gifclap2.gifcheesy.gif , hope you don't go alone, your wife will chops ya nuts off w00t.gif

 

To the young Norwegian, RIP young man..

I searched the internet but can find no other mention anywhere of his death, only on Thai visa is it mentioned, maybe some more news will break soon.


Edited by MB1, 2013-08-21 07:21:37.


#40 LennyW

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Posted 2013-08-21 07:33:26

They should move the sex industry to the dark side and let the majority of tourists in Pattaya be able to enjoy themselves. Anyone wants a sex for sale area  can then go the other side of Suk .

What a                  comment, not in my back yard eh! Don't you think the residents of the dark side, which accounts for the majority of the population of Pattaya, would have something to say about that.

 

The majority of tourists in Pattaya do enjoy themselves and have a trouble free holiday, only a very small percentage of tourists have any issues whilst staying here.

 

Jeez, some people.facepalm.gif


Edited by angiud, 2013-08-21 07:57:59.
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Posted 2013-08-21 07:56:28

I wonder why he chooses Soi7? Soi6 running closely nearby is a much nicer Soi and if you are looking for a girl or just a beer the place to be.

 

I been riding though Soi 7 on my scooter a couple of times but not a place I want to walk unless in company with my wife and I know they will leave me alone.

 

Also off topic but try riding your motorcy down soi 6 and then up 6/1. Get past the Queen Vic and there is a large number of khatoeys.

 

Coming back up 6/1 you will see almost ONLY khatoeys - and bloody big ones at that. Their balls have certainly dropped judging by their baritone voices.



#42 pookiki

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Posted 2013-08-21 07:58:51

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If the account of this incident is accurate, it would be certainly classified as a 'sexual assault'. If a man grabbed a woman in a similar manner, he would be subject to universal condemnation. I do not see a verbal response of the young man in this incident as evidence to reach a conclusion that he was either homophobic or insecure in his own sexuality. The actions of anyone engaged in such assaults, irrespective of gender or sexual orientation, is inexcusable.


Edited by pookiki, 2013-08-21 08:00:08.


#43 Ling Kae

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Posted 2013-08-21 08:04:10

I wonder why he chooses Soi7? Soi6 running closely nearby is a much nicer Soi and if you are looking for a girl or just a beer the place to be.

 

I been riding though Soi 7 on my scooter a couple of times but not a place I want to walk unless in company with my wife and I know they will leave me alone.

 

Nothing wrong with soi 7, had many a good nights there. Yes you can walk down there anytime of the night and the girls come out and try to entice you into their bars by holding your hand or hugging you or grabbing your nuts but just a "no thanks I go look A Go Go" and off you go without any harm.

 

This is a tragic incident and yes it has happened to me before too. I had a Katoy massaging my neck one night in a bar there, I didn't know it was a Katoy. When I found out I said sorry I have a wife already, it went away but came back again, I said "sorry" but it kept harassing me and yes in the end I told it to <deleted> off and it did. Why should I put up with another MAN touching me? I was in a somewhat safe position because this katoy was working in that bar. In hindsight I should have just checked bin and moved on. It is not advisable to say <deleted> off to anyone in Thailand, I was lucky that night. 

 

If the cops aren't already onto it perhaps a look at Happiness A Go Go's outside CCTV footage might help. Most Go Go's have a camera outside. 

 

RIP to the young man.



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Posted 2013-08-21 09:10:49

Some nasty posts and replies have been removed.   Unfortunately some of the replies to the nasty posts, were quite good, but irrelevant once the offending posts were removed.  

 

Suspensions will be given for some of the more  distasteful remarks that break forum rules.  



#45 ava15

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Posted 2013-08-21 09:19:24

Please could people forward this story to the local papers in their home country, for example the Daily Mail in the UK etc. This violent abuse and murder of foreigners by Thais who act with arrogance and impunity, as if foreigners are sub human, it has to be reported. Thailand has to be shown for what it is and Thais have to be shown for what they are until they learn to be accountable for the actions of their own people.


And foreigners arent often targeted by (unprovoked) violence in the uk? The indian student shot dead for no reason on boxing day in manchester instantly springs to mind

#46 paddyjenkins

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Posted 2013-08-21 09:26:37

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Please could people forward this story to the local papers in their home country, for example the Daily Mail in the UK etc. This violent abuse and murder of foreigners by Thais who act with arrogance and impunity, as if foreigners are sub human, it has to be reported. Thailand has to be shown for what it is and Thais have to be shown for what they are until they learn to be accountable for the actions of their own people.

This act, however abhorrent and regardless of how angry it makes me....I'm not altogether sure that it is to do with being a foreigner. Perhaps more to do with the lowlife involved.

I have also seen ridiculous Thai on Thai(or at least from the region) violence. The lowlife that struck the blow should be wiped from the face of the earth.

 

 

Whether or not it is specifically because he was foreign is irrelevant.  This is specifically about the dangers of Thailand and Thai people. The world should know that Thailand is dangerous, that Thais are often dangerous. I don't know how Thailand and Thais got like this and I really don't care. What I do know is there are a large enough percentage of Thais who behave like sick, dangerous and demented animals that Thailand is a dangerous country and that the Thai authorities really don't give a sh*t what happens to foreigners as long as they make money from them.

 

So please lets inform our local papers, let people read yet another story about sick and disgusting violence in Thailand and maybe a few people will decide not to go.

 

If there was one tiny jot of evidence that the aveage Thai person was at all ashamed or concerned about this kind of thing then I would feel slightly less angry, but perhaops the most obscene thing if all is that Thais really think they are so superior (God only knows why they think that) that foreign lives just don't matter.



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Posted 2013-08-21 09:30:42

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Please could people forward this story to the local papers in their home country, for example the Daily Mail in the UK etc. This violent abuse and murder of foreigners by Thais who act with arrogance and impunity, as if foreigners are sub human, it has to be reported. Thailand has to be shown for what it is and Thais have to be shown for what they are until they learn to be accountable for the actions of their own people.


And foreigners arent often targeted by (unprovoked) violence in the uk? The indian student shot dead for no reason on boxing day in manchester instantly springs to mind

 

 

First, it is rare....statistically rare...do you understand the concept of statistical rarity, i suspect many on these forums do not because no matter how many examples of thai violence we hear about they are dismissed by a single example from outside thailand.

 

But when it does happen the police do everything they can to catch and convict the attackers and in additon, there is widespread condemnation in the media and by ordinary people.


Edited by paddyjenkins, 2013-08-21 09:46:19.


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Since there are no news media reporting this murder I am wondering if it is a true story. Please can anyone try to find the source, maybe I should contact the Norwegian embassy.

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Posted 2013-08-21 09:33:55

Thanks for the laugh. A response with an uncalled for personal attack.

As expected.


#50 BwindiBoy

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Posted 2013-08-21 09:58:08

 

 

Please could people forward this story to the local papers in their home country, for example the Daily Mail in the UK etc. This violent abuse and murder of foreigners by Thais who act with arrogance and impunity, as if foreigners are sub human, it has to be reported. Thailand has to be shown for what it is and Thais have to be shown for what they are until they learn to be accountable for the actions of their own people.

This act, however abhorrent and regardless of how angry it makes me....I'm not altogether sure that it is to do with being a foreigner. Perhaps more to do with the lowlife involved.

I have also seen ridiculous Thai on Thai(or at least from the region) violence. The lowlife that struck the blow should be wiped from the face of the earth.

 

 

Whether or not it is specifically because he was foreign is irrelevant.  This is specifically about the dangers of Thailand and Thai people. The world should know that Thailand is dangerous, that Thais are often dangerous. I don't know how Thailand and Thais got like this and I really don't care. What I do know is there are a large enough percentage of Thais who behave like sick, dangerous and demented animals that Thailand is a dangerous country and that the Thai authorities really don't give a sh*t what happens to foreigners as long as they make money from them.

 

So please lets inform our local papers, let people read yet another story about sick and disgusting violence in Thailand and maybe a few people will decide not to go.

 

If there was one tiny jot of evidence that the aveage Thai person was at all ashamed or concerned about this kind of thing then I would feel slightly less angry, but perhaops the most obscene thing if all is that Thais really think they are so superior (God only knows why they think that) that foreign lives just don't matter.

 

 

Best post on this thread.

 

RIP to the very young man that had his life wiped out by people who simply do not value another person's life.


Edited by BwindiBoy, 2013-08-21 09:59:20.






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