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#26 remobb

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Posted 2013-12-30 18:14:03

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Does Soi milk come from soi dogs?



#27 TravelerEastWest

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Posted 2013-12-30 18:22:06

I remember years ago when Soy milk came on the market and the propaganda machine started the publicity , then the tabloids took up the (paid) publicity and the whole world was drinking the stuff until people started getting sick and some folk actually dies from it and the government stepped in and told people to drink it moderately, personally i hate the taste and don't drink it, but why don't you give it a try, research the product for yourself first to see whether it suits your needs. (This was in Sydney by the way.)

 

 

Is someone dying from soy milk a myth or a documented fact?

 

Please post the link to prove the death as it sounds unrealistic...

 

And is there anything that is not best in moderation?



#28 habfan

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Posted 2013-12-30 18:26:39

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Edited by habfan, 2013-12-30 18:29:10.


#29 JSixpack

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Posted 2013-12-30 18:31:29

If you're gonna go soy milk, go unsweetened V-Soy (a UHT soybean milk also), which has added calcium. The Thais make a local unsweetened soybean milk--you can buy it in bottles at most supermarkets when it's in stock. The Thai local markets often have soybean milk, and I've heard you can ask for it unsweetened.

 

You'll hear for and against soy. And nothing wrong with organic whole milk from grass-fed cows. But we don't have that here. If you've got the dosh, yeah, there's all manner of imports. I love almond milk myself, but I can't really afford it here.

 

My advice, assuming you're on a budget: do milk one day, unsweetened soybean milk the next. Use artificial sweetener for the soybean milk, though V-Soy doesn't taste too bad.

 

The fact that you'd consider Lactasoy, with its added sugar, suggests you don't have a clue anyway. Something else will surely get you other than soybean milk or regular whole milk. Neither are particularly dangerous. Don't overthink this.



#30 Bkungbank

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Posted 2013-12-30 18:33:45

Don't buy ready make soy milk as it contain sugar ,addictive and preservative, try to soak your own soy milk in market, try to buy peel of  soy which outer skin not good for us.



#31 circusman

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Posted 2013-12-30 18:33:51

Soy would not find a place in my home if it was free.  YUCK!



#32 papa al

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Posted 2013-12-30 18:55:05

Coconut milk...for sure!



#33 billzant

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Posted 2013-12-30 19:04:15

Some excellent advice here - very pleasing. Cow's milk is for cows, and does not provide a good balance for humans. And that is before you have all the processing that makes it even more unhealthy. Checkout Truth or Dairy - John McDougall for some stats. Soy milk is also processed and therefore not healthy esp for hormones as mentioned. Fermented soy very good - processed soy avoid be careful of tofu. Coconut milk excellent. Black sesame best for calcium. OP, why do you need milk in your diet?



#34 Ulysses G.

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Posted 2013-12-30 19:04:56

 

love the almond milk, but the flavored stuff is sky high in carbs.

 
Because it is sweetened. Almonds are pretty low in carbs.

#35 nithisa78

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Posted 2013-12-30 19:09:38

I've been looking into this subject for a couple of months and I have to say I don't have much conclusion information! Like you say, a lot of stuff online is not based on fact. I went for about 6 months on Soy milk and then read that it actually wasn't all that great for you and then went back to cows milk.

 

I have a friend in the UK who is a nutritionist and his advice was to avoid both cows milk and soy milk as they are both so heavily processed that they really aren't that good for you. He suggested to try almond milk as a better alternative. Like the OP, I would interested to hear other peoples take on this subject.

 

At the moment, I've cut out both cows and soy milk from my diet.

I enjoy them both. Have not found problem with either. Both, Yummy Yummy. Though there is no denying it isn't the same for everyone. Have son is graduated nutritionist. I was his teached before he went to college. CAP -PhD USA ret

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#36 PeterSmiles

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Posted 2013-12-30 19:23:40

 

 

 And nothing wrong with organic whole milk from grass-fed cows. But we don't have that here.

 

I think Thai-Danish is 100% fresh milk from grass fed cows.

 

http://scandasia.com...s-asean-market/



#37 DGIE

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Posted 2013-12-30 19:42:41

 

Another opinion, but to the holistic health zealots, brown rice milk is better than either of these and is available here.

 

How is the price of rice milk compared to soy or cow milk /

 

Available at major supermarkets ?

 

Brown rice are available in supermarkets.

 

While cooking your rice, you can extract its milk while boiling.

 

You can make your own brown rice milk!



#38 DGIE

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Posted 2013-12-30 19:47:49

 

 

 

 And nothing wrong with organic whole milk from grass-fed cows. But we don't have that here.

 

I think Thai-Danish is 100% fresh milk from grass fed cows.

 

http://scandasia.com...s-asean-market/

 

 

Can be 100% but anything that are claimed fresh that kept for a long period of time have sodium benzoate. Sodium prolongs the life of the milk but they are hazardous to health.



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Posted 2013-12-30 20:19:01

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All animals stop drinking milk after they've been weined, humans are the only ones that continue to drink milk. Humans are the only ones that drink milk other than their own. The calcium need in humans is a lie dreamed up by the American Dairymans Association in the 1950's, by a study they paid for to lie about how much calcium we humans need. Cows milk is much to high in hormons and not fit for humans. Same as the lie about all the protien in meat, another paid off lie study by the US Cattlemans Association. Do your homework and search it on the web.

#40 bigbamboo

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Posted 2013-12-30 20:58:17

you may want to question your need for milk at all....????

 

 

  You could say that about wine too.  Just happens I like them both. 

 

  And sorry to disagree amse but our cats love to drink cows milk.  

 

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Edited by bigbamboo, 2013-12-30 21:03:33.


#41 pinkpanther99

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Posted 2013-12-30 21:21:05

 

I've been looking into this subject for a couple of months and I have to say I don't have much conclusion information! Like you say, a lot of stuff online is not based on fact. I went for about 6 months on Soy milk and then read that it actually wasn't all that great for you and then went back to cows milk.

 

I have a friend in the UK who is a nutritionist and his advice was to avoid both cows milk and soy milk as they are both so heavily processed that they really aren't that good for you. He suggested to try almond milk as a better alternative. Like the OP, I would interested to hear other peoples take on this subject.

 

At the moment, I've cut out both cows and soy milk from my diet.

 

'At the moment, I've cut out both cows and soy milk from my diet'.  That's interesting-was that your nutritionists advice? I thought cutting out both might be the worst of all worlds-do you use some other milk substitute? Like brown rice milk suggested by Ulysses, which I will now attempt to investigate..
 

 

 

Yes, on the advice of my nutrionist friend. He reckons truly organic cows milk is the best but is obviously difficult to get hold of in Thailand. He says to stay away from processed stuff completely and reckons that almond milk (which he drinks himself) is a good alternative.
 



#42 pinkpanther99

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Posted 2013-12-30 21:22:35

All animals stop drinking milk after they've been weined, humans are the only ones that continue to drink milk. Humans are the only ones that drink milk other than their own. The calcium need in humans is a lie dreamed up by the American Dairymans Association in the 1950's, by a study they paid for to lie about how much calcium we humans need. Cows milk is much to high in hormons and not fit for humans. Same as the lie about all the protien in meat, another paid off lie study by the US Cattlemans Association. Do your homework and search it on the web.

 

This is what I've been told too.



#43 pinkpanther99

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Posted 2013-12-30 21:25:19

Does anyone buy almond milk in Thailand? I've had a look in my local Big C and they don't seem to sell it. Is it expensive? How does it taste?



#44 orang37

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Posted 2013-12-30 21:30:59

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There is excellent fresh-made-daily soy milk available here in many locations in Chiang Mai.

 

My favorite source is the street-stand that usually sets up about 5pm every day on Thanon Charoen Muang, at the intersection with Thanon Teevee Uthit (third red light from the Kao Nawarat bridge, the main bridge, heading east towards the superhighway). They often sell out before midnight.

 

The friendly mother-daughter team Khun Mai, and Khun Su, have now added Jok to their gastronomic repertoire, which includes a delicious pumpkin (fah thong) soup. Five baht per bag; I estimate a bag has about 275 ml. of the divine juice-of-the-bean.

 

To balance-out this thread, you might enjoy the following article on the possible benefits (your mileage may vary) of soy-milk:

 

http://www.fitday.co...soy-milk.html#b

 

For those of you obsessed with health paranoia, and over-concerned about your hormones, and how everything is killing you, I say: "yawn." To those of you who think the fruit of the cow is an udder disaster, I say: "moo."

 

As Leonard Cohen wrote in his poem "They Locked Up a Man," in "The Spice Box of Earth:"

A person who eats meat wants to get their teeth into something.
A person who does not eat meat wants to get their teeth into something else.
If these thoughts interest you even for a moment, you are lost.

 

 

fyi: Thailand is a net importer of soy-beans. LactaSoy's minimal sugar is 3.5% (the vegetarian).

 

imho, once you've tasted fresh-made soy-milk, you won't want to use LactaSoy.

 

to your health, ~o:37;


Edited by orang37, 2013-12-30 21:45:22.


#45 Card

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Posted 2013-12-30 21:56:46

Use both in moderation, but not sweetened or flavoured. Balance is the key word in healthy food.



#46 DogNo1

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Posted 2013-12-30 22:50:20

I've recently started drinking goat milk and find it to be more easily digestible than any of the others mentioned here. I buy canned condensed goat milk and drink it in the evening before bed. I have a hyatal hernia and quite bad GERD and the goat milk really puts my stomach at ease!

#47 northernjohn

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Posted 2013-12-30 23:48:35

 


 

They have it at Rimping, but it is imported, organic and expensive. I used to get the home made stuff at the Vegetarian Council (kind of) near Airport Plaze and it was very cheap.

 
Thanks for your input Ulysses-seems that Rice Milk is very low on Protein and high on carbs but great for cholestorol. Seems you can make it at home  but its a chore. Can you give me directions please to the place near Airport Plaza that sells it. Save me wandering around that area like a lost soul.....

 

 
I do not know how to use Google maps and am not good with directions, so take this with a grain of salt. If I remember correctly. there is a road that runs North to South from RAM Hospital straight into Airport Plaza. If you go about halfway between those two points on that road on the same side of the road as RAM Hospital, there is a sign that says something like "Vegetarian Council" with lots and lots of vegetarian cooked foods and products inside.
Good luck with figuring out who sells brown rice milk, but I did it, so you can too.

 

 

Yes you are right it is on that road about half way between the South West corner of the moat and the airport Mall. It is right next to a service station on the south side of it. I think it is closed on Mondays.

 

There ia only the one service center on that stretch of road so you can't miss it. It is an interesting place food is really cheap and you wash your own dishes. Lots of other information there for vegetarians.

 

I have been there a couple of times and find the food OK. I took a friend one day who is capable of being a food critique but eats most any thing weather it is 5 star or off a food cart.

 

His comment was every one should eat there once. In all the placwes we have eaten that was the only time I had heard him say any thing negative about it.


Edited by northernjohn, 2013-12-30 23:59:59.


#48 Jose

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Posted 2013-12-30 23:59:44

I've recently started drinking goat milk and find it to be more easily digestible than any of the others mentioned here. I buy canned condensed goat milk and drink it in the evening before bed. I have a hyatal hernia and quite bad GERD and the goat milk really puts my stomach at ease!

Interesting - never gave goat's milk (or cheese) much thought before.

 

My body doesn't like neither soy nor cow's milk.  Ideally we'd all be drinking human milk, but that seems to be in very short supply.

Related:

 

The dangers of dairy products

 

The dangers of soy

 

Harvard researchers launch Healthy Eating Plate:

 

healthy-eating-plate-web1000.jpg



#49 northernjohn

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Posted 2013-12-31 00:06:16

Some excellent advice here - very pleasing. Cow's milk is for cows, and does not provide a good balance for humans. And that is before you have all the processing that makes it even more unhealthy. Checkout Truth or Dairy - John McDougall for some stats. Soy milk is also processed and therefore not healthy esp for hormones as mentioned. Fermented soy very good - processed soy avoid be careful of tofu. Coconut milk excellent. Black sesame best for calcium. OP, why do you need milk in your diet?

 

 

Interesting outlook on the milk situation. Cow milk is for cows.

We are humans so should we be drinking human milk? I don't think there is a big supply of it.



#50 northernjohn

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Posted 2013-12-31 00:22:12

 

I've recently started drinking goat milk and find it to be more easily digestible than any of the others mentioned here. I buy canned condensed goat milk and drink it in the evening before bed. I have a hyatal hernia and quite bad GERD and the goat milk really puts my stomach at ease!

Interesting - never gave goat's milk (or cheese) much thought before.

 

My body doesn't like neither soy nor cow's milk.  Ideally we'd all be drinking human milk, but that seems to be in very short supply.

Related:

 

The dangers of dairy products

 

The dangers of soy

 

Harvard researchers launch Healthy Eating Plate:

 

healthy-eating-plate-web1000.jpg

 

 

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