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#26 Blackmirage2013

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Posted 2014-03-14 10:16:58

No wreckage... the pilots turning off the transponders - there was no malfunction, that plane had an EXCELLENT service record...

 

There has been foul play.... that plane can easily be painted over or just replacing a normal flight with this flight filled with explosives or biological germ warfare...



#27 Blackmirage2013

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Posted 2014-03-14 10:18:59

One discussion I have seen nothing about is mobile phones. Anyone who has flown to China few times will have seen and cringed at the passenger nearby still on the phone on take off. you cannot tell me that ALL the phones on board were turned off. A few times I have arrived and to my embarrassment found my phone had been on while left in my carry on case. If phones are left on they will continue to receive calls and these can be traced. When contact was lost th plane was near enough to Vietnam. If it flew back over Malaysia for 4 hours why did no one make a call ? You cannot tell me the crew carried on serving drinks and meals knowing they were going the wrong way.

 

Malaysian authorities have something to hide.

 

You can't make a call when you reach a certain altitude.... the only time you can call or receive messages, is when the plane is below a certain altitude...



#28 KunMatt

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Posted 2014-03-14 10:57:22

No wreckage... the pilots turning off the transponders - there was no malfunction, that plane had an EXCELLENT service record...
 
There has been foul play.... that plane can easily be painted over or just replacing a normal flight with this flight filled with explosives or biological germ warfare...


Conspiracy theorists always operate on not having all of the information to hand which is why there are so many dumb theories on so many subjects. Whenever a theory is proved to wrong it is never acknowledged by a dumb conspiracy theorist cuz they just make up another theory and continue. All they are looking for is anything that can confirm said dumb theory while ignoring everything that contradicts it.

Wait for all of the information to come out and then make your own conclusion if need be. Just stop guessing.

#29 orosee

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Posted 2014-03-14 11:00:16

Where are the people on here who were rolling their eyes at the "conspiracy theories"?  
 
It was either one of the Muslim pilots who waited until the other pilot took a toilet break.
 
Or the plane was hijacked by the two Iranians, the Uyghur with flight knowledge and probably 2-3 other hijackers most likely Malaysians hailing from parts of the country operating under Sharia law.
 
Who is laughing at these "conspiracy theories" now?


I don't know, sane people maybe?

Clearly a minority.

#30 siampolee

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Posted 2014-03-14 11:04:52

Now can anyone explain as to why with the plethora of modern day observation (spying) technology ground based and  satellite based available to the assorted governments and no doubt interested business entities around this world how it is or was possible for this aircraft to vanish without a trace or so it would seem?

 

The more one reads  the more one  begins to wonder what the truth may be and why there seems to be a lack of  interest in the matter by the relevant authorities civilian and military who all seem to be traveling down different roads but all eventually ending in the same destination, the town of  '' Don't Know '' or its suburbs of '' We Don't Want the Public To Know the Truth District?''  

 

So many resources employed yet not a clue, indeed one is led to wonder just who or what were the passengers and what the cargo may have been, was the aircraft manifest a little work of fiction one wonders?

 

There is in my view a gigantic cover up operation concerning the true purpose the flight, the destination of any cargo as may have been loaded along with the ultimate fate of the passengers and crew on this strange fated flight.

 

 

 


Edited by siampolee, 2014-03-14 11:25:02.


#31 orosee

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Posted 2014-03-14 11:08:23

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What's with all the nonsense about Iran or Iranians being proof for terrorism? The last decade gas clearly shown that the major sponsors of terrorism are allied with the West. Give me a few Saudis or Jordanians on that plane and I'll blow the same horn, but by now the terrorism or hijacking angle seems pretty far fetched.

Same to the North Korea hypothesis, ever looked at the route to NK? LOTS of early warning radar all the way from Taiwan to Beijing to Seoul, very doubtful that an unidentified plane could make it through that corridor without three major powers not noticing.

But I won't deny my guilty pleasure of reading the Internet nonsense about this. At the least it reveals how little people know about planes, phones and politics. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing indeed.

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Posted 2014-03-14 11:27:39

I decided to Boycott Malaysian airline.



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Posted 2014-03-14 12:27:54

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I feel that a government somewhere is hiding the truth.

 

Nobody seems to be thinking outside the box. Huge UFOs a kilometer wide have been seen before (and verified on radar). Their ability to disappear or cloak themselves is known. Why couldn't the plane not be inside one of these UFOs now? It's possible.

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#34 soalbundy

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Posted 2014-03-14 12:55:38

I feel that a government somewhere is hiding the truth.

 

Nobody seems to be thinking outside the box. Huge UFOs a kilometer wide have been seen before (and verified on radar). Their ability to disappear or cloak themselves is known. Why couldn't the plane not be inside one of these UFOs now? It's possible.

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Posted 2014-03-14 13:10:04

They will have to find something solid to give the search any direction at all.

 

The MAS senior executives are doing a rather good job at making themselves look stupid.

 

How can they write off the idea that the plane might have flown on for up to 4 hours? In my book an aircraft embarking on a 6-hour flight would have something like 8 hours worth of fuel on board. If 'something' happened an hour into the flight would that not leave 7 hours worth of fuel? And now they have u-turned and are saying it might have flown on for a long time after losing contact. However likely or unlikely it is, If it did fly on from where it 'disappeared' it would have flown into someones air space and be picked up on their primary radar as an unidentifed aircraft entering their airspace. Would that not solicit at least some response from whose ever air force it concerned?

 

Good luck to them but these are not the brightest of people to be handling this difficult situation.



#36 khunPer

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Posted 2014-03-14 13:20:08

Think there’s a lot more to this accident/case than we are told in the media; some information/evidence are not well enough denied and/or explained – even the above posters suggesting collision with a military drone or aliens seems valid explanations at this point.
 
What makes “something rotten” is the extended search area, like Malacca Street and Indian Ocean, if it was indeed an accident in the sea between Malaysia and Vietnam. And that sea is not that big, compared to the Air France plane lost in the Atlantic some years ago, so some kind of wreckage or trail should have been found there by now – furthermore, no explosion in air has been observed by the surveillance satellites (at least to public knowledge).
 
However, indications that the transponder was switched off by intention or damaged by cracks, and the plane continuing in another direction than the Beijing heading – with intension or by autopilot, perhaps even for hours – makes me think about the how efficient military radars and satellites are; if such a big and non radar invisible plane can pass unattended, the military systems seems fairly valueless.
 
The must be something more, we (the public) are not told…


#37 eddie61

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Posted 2014-03-14 13:38:36

here's an idea; terrorists carried a nerve gas such as sarin, which was released near the flight deck, and infiltrated the flight deck first.

 

The terrorists also carried an antidote such as atropine, which they disguised as insulin, and with which they injected themselves prior to releasing the sarin.

 

With everyone else on board dead or dying, they found a way into the cockpit, turned off any transponders, turned the plane onto a different course, presumably one over deep water such as the indian ocean, stroked their beards and started dreaming about the ten thousand virgins they would meet in heaven.


Edited by eddie61, 2014-03-14 13:44:43.


#38 khaosai

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Posted 2014-03-14 14:43:53

Hi,

The issue with the fuselage cracks being discovered are related to the satcom antennas on the top of the fuselage and not the transponder.

#39 Phuketboy

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Posted 2014-03-14 14:52:28

The hijack theory is out as the plane would still show on radar.  If the plane crashed over land or exploded in the air, this would show on radar and even if communication was lost the trace would have been picked up by military in the area.  Cell phones were left on as family members have been able to call numbers, the phones ring but no answer.  This rules out a crash in the ocean as water and cell phones don't really work well together and the phone would stop working.  The emergency signals sent out from the black boxes (these are actually yellow) are not sending out signals, or at least this is what we are told.  For both boxes to malfunctioning is very highly unlikely.  Even if the plane had crashed or exploded mid flight, these boxes will still work as they are bomb and water proof. If the plane had crashed in the ocean debris would float, there are many parts of the plane that are designed to float such as the seat cushions.  You can actually use these as a floatation device if needed.  As no debris has been found and no explosion detected on any radar even that of the military, there is no proof that a crash took place.  I hope they do find out what happened and the truth be told no some story to keep people happy.  My heart goes out to the families and friends of the passengers.



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Posted 2014-03-14 15:21:20

I think the satellites are pretty much set to try and ignore commercial flights.   They are looking for things out of the ordinary.   There are also thousands and thousands of commercial flights.   In general they are in contact with a lot of radar and communication devices.   It's a little like looking for one particular mosquito in a swamp.   



#41 robhufton

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Posted 2014-03-14 16:23:37

here's an idea; terrorists carried a nerve gas such as sarin, which was released near the flight deck, and infiltrated the flight deck first.

 

The terrorists also carried an antidote such as atropine, which they disguised as insulin, and with which they injected themselves prior to releasing the sarin.

 

With everyone else on board dead or dying, they found a way into the cockpit, turned off any transponders, turned the plane onto a different course, presumably one over deep water such as the indian ocean, stroked their beards and started dreaming about the ten thousand virgins they would meet in heaven.

 

I thought that it was 72 virgins?

 

Anyway, many are not so keen any more now they have have seen Susan Boyle and know what a virgin looks like
 



#42 Halion

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Posted 2014-03-14 16:34:44

Sadly this article fails to touch on salient points.

Catastrophic failure from critical decompression would have scattered debris all over the ocean.

Even aircraft making an emergency controlled landing in water tend to break up on impact

To remain undetected by radar they would have to had dropped to below 1000 feet which makes any passage over northern Malaysia hazardous at best and for what purpose.

The Gulf of Thailand is very shallow as is much of the South China Sea and the locator beacon signals would have been very clear.

What happened to the aircraft is indeed a mystery, however ,deductive logic would demonstrate that this was not due to domino effect failures and man had a hand in the disappearance of this flight.



#43 khaosai

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Posted 2014-03-14 16:47:29

Sadly this article fails to touch on salient points.
Catastrophic failure from critical decompression would have scattered debris all over the ocean.
Even aircraft making an emergency controlled landing in water tend to break up on impact
To remain undetected by radar they would have to had dropped to below 1000 feet which makes any passage over northern Malaysia hazardous at best and for what purpose.
The Gulf of Thailand is very shallow as is much of the South China Sea and the locator beacon signals would have been very clear.
What happened to the aircraft is indeed a mystery, however ,deductive logic would demonstrate that this was not due to domino effect failures and man had a hand in the disappearance of this flight.


Low level at night in a large jet to avoid primary radar over an area of high terrain would be nigh on impossible.

Primary radar range is very limited, in the region of 60 miles. At high level these jets are travelling at approx 8 miles a minute. Less than ten mins later it's off the radar screen. Secondary radar is different, much larger ranges are possible, being in the region of 200 to 250 nautical miles. They however require a serviceable transponder on the aircraft.

#44 Lockheed

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Posted 2014-03-14 17:04:26

In OZ a few days ago they had a conference on airline safety, they had people from all around the world attend, it's just a coincidence that this saga is taking place while it's happening. Anyway they had a guy from that conference talk on television about possible theory's and he said the discussion was about what is in the cargo hold, maybe there was something of great value in there that someone wanted. 

 

On another show, they said the Malaysians have dug themselves into a hole but they're trying to save face so that hole will be getting a lot deeper before the truth comes out. 



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Posted 2014-03-14 17:06:58

I have another theory, as all others it is guessing, but I think possible.

 

The plane turned around and entered the (part of) Thai airpace, Malaysian airspace and continued to fly, but followed by Malaysian military radar. It also could have entered Indonesian airspace, and futher Myanmar, Bangladesh, India, Sri Lanka airspace. All these countries got a unidentified flying object (UFO yes) on their (military) radar, no identification was given by the plane and some (Malaysian?) airforce decided to launch ground-to-air missiles and destroyed the plane in such a way that no large pieces would be left, it is possible by missile attack that the plane is disintegrated in tiny pieces, and as nobody knows where that was no civil radar caught any falling pieces, if at all visible on the old-fashioned radio-wave ground radars.

 

It happened before, airforce shoots own country airplane down, because of the height it might have been the most powerful missile available, hence the total destruction.

 

Question rises of course why Airforce did not send fighters in the air to check on the plane and try to force it to land... That might be the great mystery, failure and the reason why Malaysian officials have problems to reveil the truth and have the air force commander shut his mouth...

 

It would explain why no signals from neither airplane nor black box and voice recorder, in a heavy attack from outside (missile) they would be destroyed, they are only bomb proof from inside the plane.



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Posted 2014-03-14 18:42:40

All of this speculation is fueled by two things:  The unending 24 news cycle and the false belief that our current technology is pretty much infallible.  Think about any CSI episode you have seen.  TV and movies give people a false sense of security portraying the high tech nature of forensics.  Is flying safer than just about anything (standing on a Bangkok balcony, taking a bath with a katoey)  definitely, can stuff happen? Hell yes!  We don't like to think of our own mortality.  Plus everybody hates when they close the plane's door and you put your life in the hands of strangers.  Terrorists aren't that smart, frankly the professionals (Mossad, CIA, KGB, FSB, MI-6) aren't that smart or good either.  The last major hijackings happened with boxcutters and the false belief that capitulating to hijackers demands was the correct action.  That won't happen the same way again.  The flying public knows better.  We speculate because most of us fly frequently and the reality that air travel is not completely safe and it scares the hell out of us.  The "cascade effect" is most likely the culprit.  Combine that with the importance of saving face present in most Asian cultures and you get the clusterf--k that we have in this air incident/crash investigation.  It's all about not looking bad in front of their peers.  We will all know when we know, there is no conspiracy, at least that's what I want you to think. thumbsup.gif.pagespeed.ce.dtxKiAJ9C7.gif



#47 Hulkster

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Posted 2014-03-14 20:27:54

 

No wreckage... the pilots turning off the transponders - there was no malfunction, that plane had an EXCELLENT service record...
 
There has been foul play.... that plane can easily be painted over or just replacing a normal flight with this flight filled with explosives or biological germ warfare...


Conspiracy theorists always operate on not having all of the information to hand which is why there are so many dumb theories on so many subjects. Whenever a theory is proved to wrong it is never acknowledged by a dumb conspiracy theorist cuz they just make up another theory and continue. All they are looking for is anything that can confirm said dumb theory while ignoring everything that contradicts it.

Wait for all of the information to come out and then make your own conclusion if need be. Just stop guessing.

 

 

It clearly points to a hijacking, whether by a pilot or passengers.  It's the most likely explanation.  It's hardly a "conspiracy theory" to suggest it was most likely a hijacking.



#48 Loptr

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Posted 2014-03-15 00:00:48

I hate to think terrorist are smarter than the good guys.

 

Depends on your point of view as to who are the good guys and who are the bad guys. The lines are quite blurred these days. 



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Posted 2014-03-15 00:01:50

 

 

No wreckage... the pilots turning off the transponders - there was no malfunction, that plane had an EXCELLENT service record...
 
There has been foul play.... that plane can easily be painted over or just replacing a normal flight with this flight filled with explosives or biological germ warfare...


Conspiracy theorists always operate on not having all of the information to hand which is why there are so many dumb theories on so many subjects. Whenever a theory is proved to wrong it is never acknowledged by a dumb conspiracy theorist cuz they just make up another theory and continue. All they are looking for is anything that can confirm said dumb theory while ignoring everything that contradicts it.

Wait for all of the information to come out and then make your own conclusion if need be. Just stop guessing.

 

 

It clearly points to a hijacking, whether by a pilot or passengers.  It's the most likely explanation.  It's hardly a "conspiracy theory" to suggest it was most likely a hijacking.

 

 

A hijacking at this level can only be performed by Hans Gruber....................and I think he's a fictitious personage.



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Posted 2014-03-15 00:04:53

 

Sadly this article fails to touch on salient points.
Catastrophic failure from critical decompression would have scattered debris all over the ocean.
Even aircraft making an emergency controlled landing in water tend to break up on impact
To remain undetected by radar they would have to had dropped to below 1000 feet which makes any passage over northern Malaysia hazardous at best and for what purpose.
The Gulf of Thailand is very shallow as is much of the South China Sea and the locator beacon signals would have been very clear.
What happened to the aircraft is indeed a mystery, however ,deductive logic would demonstrate that this was not due to domino effect failures and man had a hand in the disappearance of this flight.


Low level at night in a large jet to avoid primary radar over an area of high terrain would be nigh on impossible.

Primary radar range is very limited, in the region of 60 miles. At high level these jets are travelling at approx 8 miles a minute. Less than ten mins later it's off the radar screen. Secondary radar is different, much larger ranges are possible, being in the region of 200 to 250 nautical miles. They however require a serviceable transponder on the aircraft.

 

 

Why? Low level, no terrain to avoid over water, heading and altitude hold on the autopilot. Aircraft have been avoiding radar by flying low and fast for a long, long time. 







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